carlson pandering to the anti-vax crew

[butters]

Despite there being absolutely zero scientific evidence to support it, Fox News host Tucker Carlson suggested Wednesday night that getting vaccinated makes you more likely to get infected with Covid-19.

“Meanwhile, it seems like Covid makes it more likely that you’re gonna get, the shot, makes it more likely you’re going to get Covid,” Carlson said. With signature Valley Girl exasperation, he added, “Whatever! It’s crazy.”

It is not clear what is “crazy” in Carlson’s eyes here. It’s also not clear what he’s basing his belief on. Anti-vaxxers on social media recently latched on to a claim that the vaccinated are more likely to contract Covid, on the basis of a study by the UK government that the fully vaccinated were more likely to contract the Omicron variant. But what those claims missed, was that the unvaccinated were more likely to contract other Covid variants, and in greater numbers.

and that's because the vaccinated are protected more against the former variants of covid and omicron is better at evading immune responses. And, again, 'more likely to contract the Omicron variant' is NOT saying the unvaxxed are less likely to contract covid, especially the (apparently) more lethal Delta variant.

Previous studies have shown the unvaccinated are more likely to be infected with Covid than the vaccinated. A study in Kentucky last year found the unvaccinated who had a prior infection were more than twice as likely to be reinfected with Covid than the vaccinated. A more recent study found those with natural immunity were five times more likely to face reinfection than those who had been vaccinated

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...e-going-to-get-covid/ar-AASsC3J?ocid=msedgntp

i find it hard to believe carlson (of the ever-troubled-by-piles look) is truly so ignorant as to imagine anything other... which is what makes this kind of throwaway bait to the salivating ignorant desperate to hear anti-vax confirmation from their idols all the more disgusting.

carlson and the like WANT people to remain unvaccinated, just so cases/hospital/death stats can be used to imply a lack of action on the part of President Biden. they WANT people desperately sick and dying so they can point to the President's 'inability' to deliver on his promises... promises made in good faith and not wanting to believe so many American citizens could really act so selfishly, so stupidly, so dangerously against the interests of themselves, their families, loved ones and fellow citizens.

 

[pecksniff]

Isn't there some way to cancel this fucker?

Is cable TV entirely outside the scope of FCC regulation?

 

[LittleDixie]

Let's laser focus on this one single point.

"Are vaccinated people more likely to catch the Omicron variant than unvaccinated people?"

Yes or no.

 

[LittleDixie]

Isn't there some way to cancel this fucker?

Is cable TV entirely outside the scope of FCC regulation?

Why does this wrangle you so much?

People can have different opinions than you, and that's okay.

 

[WillJ8787]

and that's because the vaccinated are protected more against the former variants of covid and omicron is better at evading immune responses. And, again, 'more likely to contract the Omicron variant' is NOT saying the unvaxxed are less likely to contract covid, especially the (apparently) more lethal Delta variant.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...e-going-to-get-covid/ar-AASsC3J?ocid=msedgntp

i find it hard to believe carlson (of the ever-troubled-by-piles look) is truly so ignorant as to imagine anything other... which is what makes this kind of throwaway bait to the salivating ignorant desperate to hear anti-vax confirmation from their idols all the more disgusting.

carlson and the like WANT people to remain unvaccinated, just so cases/hospital/death stats can be used to imply a lack of action on the part of President Biden. they WANT people desperately sick and dying so they can point to the President's 'inability' to deliver on his promises... promises made in good faith and not wanting to believe so many American citizens could really act so selfishly, so stupidly, so dangerously against the interests of themselves, their families, loved ones and fellow citizens.

. "carlson and the like WANT people to remain unvaccinated, just so cases/hospital/death stats can be used to imply a lack of action on the part of President Biden."

This is spot on and exactly what the want to do...play political games with real lives and deaths of citizens....they don't give one fuck about you or me or anyone but themselves.

 

[WillJ8787]

Let's laser focus on this one single point.

"Are vaccinated people more likely to catch the Omicron variant than unvaccinated people?"

Yes or no.

fuck off Bobo

 

[WillJ8787]

Why does this wrangle you so much?

People can have different opinions than you, and that's okay.

Bigly fuck off Bobo

 

[pecksniff]

Let's laser focus on this one single point.

"Are vaccinated people more likely to catch the Omicron variant than unvaccinated people?"

Yes or no.

No. There is no reason to think that.

 

[pecksniff]

Why does this wrangle you so much?

People can have different opinions than you, and that's okay.

It is not always OK. This kind of messaging is shouting-fire-in-a-theater dangerous.

 

[bodysong]

January 5, 2022

Hospital officials, hospital leaders, hospital doctors, from all corners of the U.S.
are pleading with parents to get their children vaccinated.

It is unvaccinated children, that are filling up the hospital beds.

There are booster shots for children, in development.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Why does this wrangle you so much?

People can have different opinions than you, and that's okay.

I find it amusing that peck sniff and bs watch carlson’s show with so much interest.

 

[pecksniff]

I find it amusing that peck sniff and bs watch carlson’s show with so much interest.

Wouldn't know about this at all, if this thread had not been posted.

 

[butters]

Let's laser focus on this one single point.

"Are vaccinated people more likely to catch the Omicron variant than unvaccinated people?"

Yes or no.

no


when omicron is the dominant variant, the unvaxxed or partially-vaxxed are still more likely to catch it than those protected by vaccinations. where delta is the leading variant, more vaxxed might get an omicron infection where their unvaxxed counterparts will suffer the delta's ravages. The unvaxxed are also far more at risk of contracting both variants simultaneously.

the point of the studies is simple: omicron is way better at evading immunity than its forebears, so if a vaccinated person is going to contract covid, it's almost always going to be omicron. And then they're not going to get nearly as sick as an unvaxxed person; should they need to be hospitalised, their stay tends to be a few days with exceedingly few seeing the icu, needing intubation, or dying. The unvaxxed... not so much, though death rates have dropped (thank goodness) due to a number of factors: the variant's own signature effects, more knowledge amongst nursing staff, advances in theraputics.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Let's laser focus on this one single point.

"Are vaccinated people more likely to catch the Omicron variant than unvaccinated people?"

Yes or no.

Laser focused on stupid questions.

 

[butters]

Wouldn't know about this at all, if this thread had not been posted.

now would i if not for the broad-spectrum feed that shows up when i open a new window.

 

[LittleDixie]

It is not always OK. This kind of messaging is shouting-fire-in-a-theater dangerous.

You're being hyperbolic.

 

[LittleDixie]

No. There is no reason to think that.

It looks like the original claim that 95% of the cases were of vaccinated people was based off of incomplete data, but a slightly more complete data set seems to indicate that the majority of confirmed cases are of vaccinated people. There is a significan portion of people whose vaccination status is unknown, so it could well go in the direction you think, but we don't know yet for sure.

The data is incomplete, and as such isn't conclusive, but the way the data leans is that a majority of cases are vaccinated.

That is enough to comment on (with caveats, of course).

 

[RobDownSouth]

Anti-vaxxers are a special kind of stupid.

 

[Cubantripod]

It is not always OK. This kind of messaging is shouting-fire-in-a-theater dangerous.

Which as a lawyer, you know that statement was dicta. You're obfuscating to push your narrative.

 

[pecksniff]

Which as a lawyer, you know that statement was dicta. You're obfuscating to push your narrative.

I know it's a lot worse than dicta. It's dishonest. It comes from a case during WWI, when the Commies handing out the anti-draft literature could make a very good case that the theater was on fire, and, in hindsight, it actually was. But it's too broadly applicable an expression to scrap.

 

[butters]

It looks like the original claim that 95% of the cases were of vaccinated people was based off of incomplete data, but a slightly more complete data set seems to indicate that the majority of confirmed cases are of vaccinated people. There is a significan portion of people whose vaccination status is unknown, so it could well go in the direction you think, but we don't know yet for sure.

The data is incomplete, and as such isn't conclusive, but the way the data leans is that a majority of cases are vaccinated.

That is enough to comment on (with caveats, of course).

the misleading claim comes from misinterpretation (deliberate or otherwise) of the study's data ...from the Danish study's authors:

A tweet shared tens of thousands of times claims a study found that mRNA Covid-19 vaccines increase the chances of infection with the Omicron variant. But experts said the shots do not increase the risk of infection, and the authors of the Danish study said the claim misinterpreted the data, overlooking key factors including more frequent testing and more potential exposure among the vaccinated, which would account for the higher reported infection rate in that group.

"Holy moly. This study shows that after three months the vaccine effectiveness of Pfizer & Moderna against Omicron is actually negative. Pfizer customers are 76.5% more likely and Moderna customers are 39.3% more likely to be infected than unvaxxed people," says a December 23, 2021 tweet from Canadian commentator Ezra Levant.

The tweet includes a screenshot of data of the Danish study showing that after 91-150 days, Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccine effectiveness against the Omicron variant falls below zero, meaning more vaccinated than unvaccinated participants were infected.

The study Levant cites aimed to determine the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna shots against the Omicron variant up to five months after full vaccination. It found "evidence of protection against infection with the Omicron variant," but that effectiveness is "significantly lower than against Delta infection and declines rapidly over just a few months."

The authors added that effectiveness "is re-established upon revaccination" and say their "findings highlight the need for massive rollout of vaccinations and booster vaccinations."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...icron-infection-risk/ar-AASt8Rh?ocid=msedgntp

 

[ll74]

The fact that anyone believes the horseshit coming out of fucker Carlton's mouth is astonishing.

 

[pecksniff]

The fact that anyone believes the horseshit coming out of fucker Carlton's mouth is astonishing.

Take comfort in the fact that there are fewer such every year. Generational demographics are going to doom the American right.

 

[BidudeinWi]

“ and that's because the vaccinated are protected more against the former variants of covid and omicron is better at evading immune responses”

The “vaccinated” are more susceptible to omicron per each “vaccine” they’ve received. Moreover, those of us who’ve been infected and survived, have over 140 published studies that show our immunity is by far better than “vaccinated” folks. And even more, studies show that if you’ve survived covid, you are many times more likely to get adverse reactions to the “vaccines” if we take them AFTER surviving covid.

Don’t believe me? List to Dr. Molone/Joe Rogan interview! I have. But if you want to be uninformed, so be it!