Capitalism is just fine, Redwave

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Honestly, air out your apartment.

 

[Stout chap]

Capitalism isn't fine. It is a corrupt system that has so many flaws that it is exploited in the name of free trade all the time, competetion is fierce and many people have their lives ruined, and the gap between the poor and the rich is ever increasing. Ironically, the big irony of the free market is that it isn't free at all. We've made a cock-up, basically. But it could be worse.

 

[MechaBlade]

Both of them have a point. The only thing I'll add is that not only could it be worse, it couldn't be any better.

 

[Stout chap]

Yes it could, a meritocracy-based government with proper taxation could work very well indeed.

 

[Stout chap]

And that comma I just typed needs to be a semicolon.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Capitalism isn't fine.

Yes it is.

*whew* Okay, so that's settled.

 

[MechaBlade]

Yes it could, a meritocracy-based government with proper taxation could work very well indeed.

Whose going to decide what jobs are worth what? Free market is the best way to decide the worth of jobs. Proper taxation would be nice in any system, but that's besides the point.

 

[HeavyStick]

Yes it could, a meritocracy-based government with proper taxation could work very well indeed.

ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.
WOMAN: Well, how did you become King, then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,...
[angels sing]
...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to
carry Excalibur.
[singing stops]
That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a
mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up, will you? Shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
DENNIS: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it,
didn't you?

 

[Stout chap]

Whoever makes the most foots the larger share of the bill. I'm all for people being allowed to be wealthy, as it is their money, after all. But there comes a point when having starving people living alongside multi-billionaires it gets rather idiculous.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Stuffed not OK . . .

Yes it is.

*whew* Okay, so that's settled.

Hi DCL . . . why is it "settled"? You are prepared to accept that

"free trade" is an oxymoron, especially for both the U$ and EU . . .

that financial corruption by corporate Executives is OK . . .

that the Corporations law protects the corrupt corporate executives AGAINST the shareholders thus allowing such finaincial disasters as Haliburton, Emron and Arthur Anderson . . .

that investors may be fleeced of a lifetimes savings to prop up a high flying lifestyle of a corporate crook . . .

I s'pose this is the Republican Party social policy . . .

 

[HeavyStick]

Whoever makes the most foots the larger share of the bill. I'm all for people being allowed to be wealthy, as it is their money, after all. But there comes a point when having starving people living alongside multi-billionaires it gets rather idiculous.

How many homeless people you invite over for a cup of coffee or hot meal? Why does all the misery have to be on the super-rich? Microsoft has created over 1,000 millionaires. Even though some rich people make a spectacle about helping the disadvantaged they are still helping.

What have you done to improve the lifes of the impoverished around you?

 

[MechaBlade]

We need a good system of welfare and progressive taxes. All possible under capitalism.

Plus, if some guy goes to college, earns his PhD, starts a company that serves millions, and does his job well, shouldn't he make more money than the assistant manager at the Gap?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Hi DCL . . . why is it "settled"?

Because I said so, but mostly because you're of the opposite opinion, and you're a tweetle-beetle with a paddle in a bottle on a noodle-eating poodle, and think that pretty much clears it up.

 

[HeavyStick]

We need a good system of welfare and progressive taxes. All possible under capitalism.

Plus, if some guy goes to college, earns his PhD, starts a company that serves millions, and does his job well, shouldn't he make more money than the assistant manager at the Gap?

Exactly, that's why Socialism fails. How can a system bent on even distribution of wealth expect the over achievers to continuously compensate for the ones capable of bettering themselves, but don't?

 

[Stout chap]

It isn't about what I can do, it is about what we as a society can do. People don't generally like taxes, but a few extra pennies on taxes are not going to hurt anyone and they will make many benefits.

We need a good system of welfare and progressive taxes. All possible under capitalism.

Exactly!

 

[HeavyStick]

It isn't about what I can do, it is about what we as a society can do. People don't generally like taxes, but a few extra pennies on taxes are not going to hurt anyone and they will make many benefits.

Society is a collection of individuals.

If you help and show how easy it is, people might join you.

Paying taxes is so much easier than actually helping, isn't it?

 

[Stout chap]

But you have problems. Teachers do a valuable job, but teaching is a non-profit profession for the most part. Policemen, nurses, doctors and firemen, too. These are people who are not payed enough, and deserve more. Only through socialism can they be paid. Unless they are privatised and become a pay-service ("give us twenty pounds to stop your house burning down"), then wealth must be distributed to them.

 

[Stout chap]

Individuals care about themselves, naturally. You cannot expect people to give handouts to poorer people. What would that acheive? They are not making society any better at all. Change comes when everyone does it, and the only way for this to happen is to make them do it. If people don't pay their taxes, they are put in gaol. And so they bloody well should be, the greedy bastards.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Good One . . .

ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.
WOMAN: Well, how did you become King, then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,...
[angels sing]
...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to
carry Excalibur.
[singing stops]
That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a
mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up, will you? Shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
DENNIS: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it,
didn't you?

Nice one Heavystick . . . a great quote . . .

 

[HeavyStick]

But you have problems.No "I" don't Teachers do a valuable job, but teaching is a non-profit profession for the most part.Every job is a non profit job. You get paid for your efforts and education. I haven't met many ditch diggers pulling in 100k a year. I'm sure in your plan of society they would. Policemen, nurses, doctors and firemen, too. These are people who are not payed enough, and deserve more. I live in California. The police and fireman start out at 36-54k a year, that's before educational, bilingual and extra skill incentives. Doctors, show me a doctor in California making less than 100k. Nurses, start out at 45k easily. Only through socialism can they be paid. Unless they are privatised and become a pay-service ("give us twenty pounds to stop your house burning down"), then wealth must be distributed to them.

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: Good One . . .

Nice one Heavystick . . . a great quote . . .

wow this is a first. TY

 

[MechaBlade]

It isn't about what I can do, it is about what we as a society can do. People don't generally like taxes, but a few extra pennies on taxes are not going to hurt anyone and they will make many benefits.

Well, that is opinion. Obviously people who make $2 million and have $1 million taken away aren't going to starve. But they may not be able to buy what they want, be it a new car, a better mansion, or an experimental heart transplant, allowing them to live a little longer. People hate taxes. I believe I'm the only one who doesn't mind so much, and that might be because I make so little money, I get it all my Federal taxes back come April.

People (rich and poor) hate taxes so much, they considered voting for Forbes and his "flat tax."

Exactly!

So you understand that capitalism isn't evil. It's a lot easier to start progressive programs under our current financial system, than to shift to a new financial system, that might not even work.

yeah, good quote, Stick.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Stuffed not OK . . .

Hi DCL . . . why is it "settled"?

DCL started what he thought would be a 'smart' thread, found it developed into a serious discussion, couldn't handle the intellect of the whole thing and decided to get out from under.

'That's settled' is the only way he knew how and still save face...

He's quite well known for that sort of thing...

ppman

 

[teddybear4play]

Re: Re: Stuffed not OK . . .

DCL started what he thought would be a 'smart' thread, found it developed into a serious discussion, couldn't handle the intellect of the whole thing and decided to get out from under.

'That's settled' is the only way he knew how and still save face...

He's quite well known for that sort of thing...

That's REDWAVE's M.O.

DCL is just satirizing it.

TB4p

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Stuffed not OK . . .

That's REDWAVE's M.O.

DCL is just satirizing it.

TB4p

Wanna bet?

REDWAVE has intellect, there's a difference...



ppman