Canada Aiding Potential Terrorists...

[Lost Cause]

I'm not suprised by this, it shows the absolute ignorance by the government towards possible cells that will attack them eventually anyway. Nothing like nurturing a tumor in your body, way to go our "friends" to the North!
What is wrong on checking out possible agents, Canada sure the fuck doesn't!

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada, in a highly unusual travel warning, on Wednesday urged Canadian citizens born in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia to think carefully before entering the United States, saying they could fall afoul of tough new U.S. anti-terrorism laws.

The Foreign Ministry said it issued the advisory after Washington stipulated that anyone born in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, or Syria needed to be photographed and fingerprinted on arrival in the United States.

This includes citizens of Canada, a country which is traditionally regarded as one of the closest allies of the United States.


"It's not something we approve of and we've registered our strongest disapproval with the United States authorities," Foreign Minister Bill Graham told reporters.


"We can't tell the Americans what to do on their own territory. What we're telling them is that we don't accept this and we find it very troubling...I am certain that in due course common sense will prevail." The Foreign Ministry advisory, posted on its Web site, is another indication of how ties between the two neighbors have soured in past months amid disputes over trade, policy toward Iraq and immigration policies.


Before the Sept. 11 suicide attacks, people from both countries crossed the shared 5,525 mile border with barely a thought. Security and identity checks have now been tightened considerably.


The U.S. rules, introduced on Sept. 11 this year, are designed to tighten security by authorizing the Immigration and Naturalization Service to track the arrival and departure of non-immigrants.


Ottawa's travel warning follows the controversial deportation of a Canadian citizen by the United States to Syria, his birthplace, earlier this month.


The advisory also said Canadians born in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or Yemen could attract special attention from U.S. authorities.


"In these circumstances, the (ministry) advises Canadians who were born in the above (eight) countries or who may be citizens of these countries to consider carefully whether they should attempt to enter the United States for any reason, including transit to or from third countries," it said.


Graham said he had raised the issue last month with Secretary of State Colin Powell, who gave assurances that some kind of flexibility would be introduced for Canadian citizens.

"We're expecting some news from the Americans. They have not brought in that flexibility," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Reynald Doiron.

In Washington, the State Department said the new rules were designed to make the United States safer.

"I think we are concerned that many, many countries in the world have had problems with terrorists," spokesman Richard Boucher told a briefing.

He referred specifically to the case of Algerian-born Ahmed Ressam, who was arrested in December 1999 trying to enter the United States from Canada in a car packed with explosives. It later emerged that he had ignored a Canadian deportation order against him and even managed to obtain a Canadian passport.

"So, yes, it's a big border and bad guys try to come across. I think that goes without saying. The question is what we, in cooperation with the Canadian government, can do to make both our countries safer," said Boucher.

Last month, U.S. agents at New York's John F. Kennedy airport arrested a Canadian they suspected of links to militant groups, finally expelling him to Syria on Oct. 8.

Mohamed Arar -- who also holds a Syrian passport -- was arrested as he was changing planes on his way back to Canada from Tunisia. He is in detention in Syria, where authorities are probing whether he has links to groups such as al Qaeda.

U.S. critics charge that Canada's immigration system does not do enough to weed out militants who might want to launch attacks in the United States. Graham said he had stressed to U.S. officials that all immigrants had to go through tough security screening before coming to Canada.

"I have pointed out to them that both our countries are countries of immigration and that Canadian citizens have a right to be treated as Canadian citizens wherever they may be born," he said.

Hussein Amery, president of the National Council on Canada-Arab Relations, said the U.S. rules were a clear case of racial profiling and urged Ottawa to toughen its stance.

"It certainly looks, smells and feels like racism...the Americans are certainly not treating Canadians as friends when they do this," he added, referring to the Arar case.


Thanks, eh?

 

[metal_minx]

Oh sure, blame Canada.

Maybe because they haven't become quite as fascist as the US government and still think certain people should have some civil rights.

 

[Guest]

Oh sure, blame Canada.

Maybe because they haven't become quite as fascist as the US government and still think certain people should have some civil rights.

I agree, why does Canada get ragged on for protecting it's citizens?

 

[Freya]

Before the Sept. 11 suicide attacks, people from both countries crossed the shared 5,525 mile border with barely a thought. Security and identity checks have now been tightened considerably.

Oh, bullshit. It tightened for about a month after the attacks, and then went right back to what it used to be.

Nice way to put the heat on Canada LC, conveniently forgetting, of course, that it's US customs that people have to travel through to enter the US. One more time, we didn't let the friggin terrorists into your country - you guys did. Why are you pointing a finger at Canada, as if we're assholes for wanting to protect our own citizens?

 

[QuickDuck]

I am sure in a reversed situation, the US would do the same thing.

 

[metal_minx]

I am sure in a reversed situation, the US would do the same thing.

But that would never happen. Have you ever heard a terrorist threat against Canada? No, because they don't fuck people around like the US does.

 

[Lost Cause]

Why Canada Fails the Test...

The Charter of Rights created a sense of dependency among Canadians. It stipulated that Canadians should depend on the government for rights and unless these rights were written down in the Charter, they had no rights. Canadians did not demand these rights. They did not even ask for them. You might wonder why the government of the day -- Trudeau and Chretien -- insisted that Canadians should have these rights in writing if they didn't need them and already had them. And Canadians were not allowed a referendum on this overwhelming issue. Was there more to this Charter than meets the eye?

The Charter reads:
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.

The "Everyone" in (2) does not mean Canadians. It means "everyone" in the world who can make it to Canada. It now means that as "everyone" in the world arrives in Canada -- including terrorists -- they can claim refugee status and not be questioned about it. They are then entitled to Canadian taxpayer funded welfare, housing, Medicare and dental for themselves and their extended families for the remainder of their lives. The Charter therefore saddled Canadians with the responsibility of supporting "everyone" in the world -- including terrorists -- as they arrive in Canada.

There are five groups of people who like this: immigration lawyers, government social workers, international socialists, refugee claimants and terrorists. This is the result of Trudeau/Chretien insisting on "everyone" instead of every Canadian in the Charter. They prefer to talk about human rights rather than Canadian rights. It is a euphemism that shrouds the multi million dollar immigration business, the planning ideas of international social engineers and the politics of international socialists.

You wont read this in the many Liberal dominated Canadian newspapers.

Sections (d) gives "everyone" the right to associate. Does this mean that "everyone" is compelled to associate? Do people have the right not to associate? Do people have the right not to belong to an association or a union? The Liberals, like the communists in the Soviet Union, want everyone to belong to an organization or a union. They dislike people who are capable of independent thought.

And in the true spirit of international socialism and communism, the Charter does not mention the right of Canadians to own property.

International socialists who appoint judges to the Supreme Court are apt to appoint people who think as they do about international issues rather than Canadian issues. All Canadian prime ministers since Trudeau have been international socialists. None of them used the notwithstanding clause (Sec 33) of the Charter to interfere with weird Supreme Court decisions. They like to impress the world rather than their fellow Canadians. Canadians as a whole do not vote for their prime ministers so there is no need for a prime minister to impress Canadians -- only control his party. Mulroney tried to be appointed leader at the United Nations after he left office. Chretien tried to have the UN moved to Montreal, even to take over the US so-called debt to the UN while Canada had (still has) a national debt of $576 billion and a 63 cent dollar.

These Supreme Court judges are charged with interpreting Canadian laws according to their interpretations of the Charter on that particular day. We have Supreme Court judges who were appointed for life by international socialists interpreting Canadian laws according to an international charter which was written for "everyone" in the world by international socialists. These Supreme Court judges cannot be questioned before they are appointed-for-life about their prejudices or special interests. And they cannot be questioned after they have made their strange decisions. They have changed 58 Canadian laws while elected politicians looked on and did nothing.

Democracies that depend on a Charter or a written dogma are less democratic. There is no need for public debate or political decisions. This is what has happened in Canada. Decisions are made by appointed-for-life judges and outweigh decisions made by elected parliamentarians. We then get strange decisions about kiddie porn and centuries-old Indian treaties and the definition of spouse. And we have international socialists in Ottawa who refuse to use the notwithstanding clause to control it. Public opinion has no input in Ottawa as we step closer to judicial dictatorship.

Unless Canadians change the Charter, this creeping form of international socialism and creeping dictatorship will grow and grow until Canada is no longer recognized as Canada. Blame Canada.

For a free society to exist there must be a division between the legislative branch and judicial branch of government.

This is not the case in Canada where the Supreme Court make and change more laws than parliament.


The root of the Canadian-terrorist problem

Canadians are only now beginning to realize that Trudeaus 1982 Charter of Rights may be flawed. Those who do not realize this, have not read it, or too much barbecue smoke may have damaged their brains. Could it be the lawn chemicals?

Canadians already had all the rights written in the Charter. Therefore they did not need a Charter. The Charter of Rights created a sense of dependency among Canadians. It stipulated that Canadians should depend on a socialist Charter for rights and unless these rights were written down in the Charter, they had no rights.

The Canadian Charter of Rights was not written for Canadians. It was written for everyone in the world including illegal immigrants, refugees and terrorists as soon as they put a foot in Canada. (There are 11 sections of the Charter that specifically protect terrorists.) Then the Charter gave Canadians the responsibility to support everyone in the world and at the same time denied Canadians property rights by failing to mention it. (35,000 refugee claimants this year alone)

Then the Charter allowed the appointed (and unquestioned) Supreme Court justices to make legal decisions based on their private interpretations of the Charter. The Canadian legal system has not recovered. No one knows what might be read in the tealeaves of the Charter.

In R. v. Askov (1990) a Supreme Court decision allowed tens of thousands of individuals charged with everything from rape to murder to walk free. In R. v. Egan (1995) the Supreme Court read in the phrase sexual orientation into the Charter even though Parliament specifically voted to reject the phrase when it passed the Charter. In R. v. Feeney (1997) they allowed an alleged murderer caught red-handed to walk free.

Under normal circumstances, this should have been enough for a country to change the Charter. Especially a Charter that defended terrorists, was foisted on Canadians without a referendum by a prime minister who was not elected by all Canadians. Unfortunately Canadians seem to be in a trance about the good intentions of their politicians. Our politicians have had the option to override these Supreme Court decisions but the prime minister never used the notwithstanding clause of the Charter (Sec. 33). Also unfortunately for Canadians, these silver-spoon socialists who wrote the Charter insisted that it could not be changed unless 7 provinces with 50% of the people + the federal government were in agreement. Therefore it is a foregone conclusion that Canadians are unable to repair the Charter especially as Prime Minister Chretien was one of the writers and his permission is needed.

Canadians are therefore trapped under a politically correct Charter of Rights written for everyone (including terrorists) (Section 7 to 15) by Chretien and Trudeau and interpreted by appointed-for-life (until they are 75 or die) justices of the Supreme Court. It is international socialism shrouded in smoke and mirrors by socialist government propaganda, the CBC, the immigration industry and those with hidden agendas.

Not only are Canadians denied rights to property in the Charter but unilingual Canadians (Section 16 22 of the Charter) have to pay for bilingualism whether they like it or not. Then Canadians are denied equality in the Charter despite section (15) because Section 35 gives special rights to Indians. How could there be equality in the Charter if Indians are given special rights? If those who wrote the Charter claim that there is equality in the Charter, they should emphasize that Indians are not considered Canadians. And if Indians are not Canadians, why does the Department of Indian Affairs spend $8 billion a year to support Indians?

The most sacred of the duties of a government [is] to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens." --Thomas Jefferson.

Canadians are not allowed participatory democracy. Canadians are not allowed to vote for their prime minister. He may continue in office for life. There are no term limits in the Charter. Canadian MPs are not allowed to represent their constituents in Parliament due to political party discipline. Canadians are not allowed citizen-initiated referenda or recall or elected senators or questioned Supreme Court judges. Canadians are not allowed to have a constitutional conference unless the prime minister approves it. Are Canadians allowed to think?

And still the constant government propaganda pronounces daily that the Charter is the greatest thing to ever happen in Canada. Canadians and would-be terrorists believe it. The Canadian Charter of Rights caters to special-interest groups illegal immigrants, refugees, terrorists, Indians (Sec 35), bilinguals (Sec 16-22), multiculturalists (Sec 27), feminists (Sec 15) and unionists (Sec 2d).

"The price of greatness is responsibility."
-Sir Winston Churchill

At this moment and for a while into the future, Canada still has a chance to strengthen itself within itself. The opportunity has been there for years but political parties are more interested in strengthening their position at the polls than getting Canadians to feel better about their national system.

The leader of the Liberals in Ottawa, Jean Chretien, wrote the politically correct Charter of Rights in 1982, not for Canadians, but for everyone in the world. It cannot be corrected or changed without his permission. Canadians were left with the responsibility of housing, feeding and looking after everyone in the world when they arrived in Canada. This Charter of Rights has been used by terrorists to claim refugee status, live on welfare, hide out among the many multicultural communities and when and if necessary, move across the nearby border into the US. And although the politically correct Liberals with their multicultural policies, claim that the Charter is the best thing since sliced bread; it is obvious subsequent to the September 11th terrorism, that things should change. Even today as you read this, hundreds of incoming illegals are claiming refugee status in Canada. The appointed-for-life and unquestioned Supreme Court said that these incoming illegals cannot be questioned about their claims. And the rest is shrouded in mystery, Liberal propaganda and hidden government manipulation.

The Americans who share the 2000 mile border with Canadians are quite distressed about the lax conditions on the Canada-US border because it is obvious that some terrorists crossed over to the US after benefiting from the lax and easy immigration-refugee system in Canada. The Americans intend to increase security on their border and have hired 500 more personnel to assist. Border checks have already slowed cross-border traffic down substantially. This traffic flow could slow down and almost stop as security increases. The Americans would appreciate Canadian cooperation on continental security checks. But the Liberals in Ottawa, always conscious of their sovereignty and their position at the polls have been caught like a group of wild horses on a railroad track at night in the oncoming light of a train. They know that cooperating with the Americans on this issue might interfere with their lock on the huge immigrant and multicultural vote. And Liberals never think in national terms but in Liberal terms. Why, they ask themselves, should we bother doing anything? We still have 3-4 years left in this mandate. Things might straighten themselves out if we delay long enough.

But things could get worse. Eighty five per cent of Canadian produce is exported across the Canada-US border to the US. Therefore the Canadian economy could be adversely affected by a border problem. The Canadian economy depends on how fast those 18-wheelers move across the border. Factories may have to close down if they cannot export their goods to the US. If Canadian unemployment numbers start to jump as the Canadian dollar continues its downward track towards fifty cents US, eventually the complacent Canadians will get the message that something is definitely wrong. This will likely occur within the present Liberal mandate. Therefore the reluctant Liberals might be interested. It could in the long run interfere with their standing at the polls

The irony in all this is that Canadians are going to Afghanistan to fight terrorists while illegal immigrants and refugees who may be terrorists arrive by the hundreds every day at Toronto International Airport.

*What, no Second Amendment?

 

[QuickDuck]

Hands up all those who think LC has too much time on his hands?

 

[metal_minx]

Have you ever been to Canada, LC?

 

[metal_minx]

*raises hand*

 

[Freya]

Again, in your long winded and pointless post - you mistakenly blame Canadians and Canada for lax security along the borders. If I spell it correctly, will you understand it? When crossing to the USA from Canada, you at no time pass through Canadian customs or Canadian immigration or anything of the sort. You pass through US Customs and US border guards. So, if there is lax security along the borders between the countries, you guys need to start looking at your own failings instead of, as usual, transferring the blame elsewhere.

 

[Guest]

Hands up all those who think LC has too much time on his hands?

Two hands, and two feet.

 

[metal_minx]

Again, in your long winded and pointless post - you mistakenly blame Canadians and Canada for lax security along the borders. If I spell it correctly, will you understand it? When crossing to the USA from Canada, you at no time pass through Canadian customs or Canadian immigration or anything of the sort. You pass through US Customs and US border guards. So, if there is lax security along the borders between the countries, you guys need to start looking at your own failings instead of, as usual, transferring the blame elsewhere.

Thank you!
I've been across that border and I was interrogated by Canadian customs, though I'm a white female and look nothing like those scary Muslim men with bushy beards.

 

[Lost Cause]

Then you have nothing to fear....

I have been to Canada on both East and West coasts. The people are great, it's the poison the Ottawa boys and girls spread like manure that sour the view. Like fatted calves, you are content in the pasture the government provides for you, until they decide to change it in which you have no voice. You like it there? Fine, stay there but don't browbeat America when we try to pick up the garbage you let into your country.

http://www.google.com/custom?q=cana...itesearch=fas.org&sa=n&oq=canadian+terrorisim

 

[re_Mark_s]

"Canada Decides to Remain Nice Neighbour"

Hows that for a better headline?

As individuals you People in the USA seem quite nice but jeezz...

 

[Freya]

Re: Then you have nothing to fear....

I have been to Canada on both East and West coasts. The people are great, it's the poison the Ottawa boys and girls spread like manure that sour the view. Like fatted calves, you are content in the pasture the government provides for you, until they decide to change it in which you have no voice. You like it there? Fine, stay there but don't browbeat America when we try to pick up the garbage you let into your country.

http://www.google.com/custom?q=cana...itesearch=fas.org&sa=n&oq=canadian+terrorisim[/url]

Well as long as your customs agents don't allow more terrorists into the US, we won't have to worry about them blowing up any more buildings, will we? Cuz they won't do it here.

And post away about our Charter of Rights, and our Courts changing laws - I'd much rather have the government we have here (well, except for Chretien) than the fascists you have running your country. I'd be a trifle more worried about how your government is slowly inching their way into every facet of your existence, and the trend towards laws based on religious beliefs rather than common sense and public opinion. A country that allows essential human freedoms, and protects their citizens seems preferable to me, thanks.

 

[Ishmael]

Hmmmmmmmm, seems that there is a whole group of brain dead Canadians posting here that have a great deal of trouble with the English language.

1. You don't like the policy, don't cross the border. You drink too much, don't tip, and your money is next to worthless anyway.

2. LC didn't do anything but post what is in the press and those things released by your own misguided, socialist, running the country down the drain, politicians are spouting.

3. We don't care what you think. Really. We don't. At one time we did, now we don't.

4. We are hoping that Quebec forces another vote on independence. The Quebec'rs get their own country. We get Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta as states. BC forms it's own country, and that leaves Ontario. What the hell is anyone going to do with the Maritimes?

And before you allow your alligator mouths to overload your canary assholes. My father is a WWII Canadian vet. and I haved lived in Canada off and on. Take care of your invective.

Ishmael

 

[Barely__There]

Hands up all those who think LC has too much time on his hands?

(waving hand wildly)

OH OH OH Mr Duck!

The problem is not people using the Canadian border to cross into the States.

The problem is people like Lost Cause who have an attitude that won't accept responsibility that PERHAPS it is their own actions and arrogance about their 'rightness" that have insane fanatics attacking them.

The United States is a wonderful neighbour, and I think they are a strong proud nation.

But, Lost Cause, you guys are not ALWAYS right, nor has anyone else ever asked you to moderate the world.

 

[Freya]

(waving hand wildly)

OH OH OH Mr Duck!

The problem is not people using the Canadian border to cross into the States.

The problem is people like Lost Cause who have an attitude that won't accept responsibility that PERHAPS it is their own actions and arrogance about their 'rightness" that have insane fanatics attacking them.

The United States is a wonderful neighbour, and I think they are a strong proud nation.

But, Lost Cause, you guys are not ALWAYS right, nor has anyone else ever asked you to moderate the world.

All that from yet another brain dead Canadian with an alligator mouth. Nicely done.

 

[Ishmael]

(waving hand wildly)

OH OH OH Mr Duck!

The problem is not people using the Canadian border to cross into the States.

The problem is people like Lost Cause who have an attitude that won't accept responsibility that PERHAPS it is their own actions and arrogance about their 'rightness" that have insane fanatics attacking them.

The United States is a wonderful neighbour, and I think they are a strong proud nation.

But, Lost Cause, you guys are not ALWAYS right, nor has anyone else ever asked you to moderate the world.

Your logic is FUCKED up. But I presume to much. I assumed that you had any to begin with.

Ishmael

 

[Lost Cause]

Canada Is Nice......

You love to criticize our Bill of Rights guarantees, but scream bloody murder when we go after criminals that slip through your socialist system. It's not only my point of view, but of everyone that lives with the danger that lax of control provides. If we bleed, you bleed with us.


Excerpt from: www.fas.org

. Like other democratic nations in the developed world, Canada is inherently vulnerable to acts of terrorism. Incidents associated with conflicts abroad and transferred to the Canadian environment are termed homeland issues, and underlie the major concerns about terrorism affecting Canada today.

For a number of reasons, Canada is an attractive venue for terrorists. Long borders and coastlines offer many points of entry which can facilitate movement to and from various sites around the world, particularly the United States. As a wealthy industrial society, Canada is an excellent location in which to raise money in the name of causes abroad. The nation accepts large numbers of immigrants and refugees, and consequently has significant émigré communities which can be a source of haven and support.

Many of the world’s terrorist groups have a presence in Canada, where they engage in a variety of activities in support of terrorism, including:

logistical support for offshore terrorism through efforts to obtain weapons and equipment to be shipped abroad, such as electrical detonators for explosives, or remote-control devices that can be adapted for use in the remote detonation of bombs. In one case, a Canadian was involved in an attempt to purchase a Stinger missile for PIRA;
attempts to establish an operational support base in Canada, to enable groups to send in hit teams for attacks on targets of opportunity;

fundraising, advocacy, propaganda. For example, not long ago members of the Kurdish PKK tried to enter Canada illegally to carry out a leadership, propaganda and fundraising role;
intimidation and manipulation of Canadian citizens in émigré communities to support activities for homeland issues;
a safe haven for terrorists.
The recent case of the Saudi Arabian, Hani al-Sayegh, implicated in the Al Khobar bombing, provides one example of this trend;
use of Canada as a base to arrange and direct terrorist activities in other countries.
This is a particular problem with some members of Sikh terrorist groups whose leaders continue to endeavour to use Canada as their headquarters; and
raising money through illegal activities.
Tamil Tiger supporters have been accused of raising money through intimidation and the manufacture and sale of false passports and documentation.

Canada has a history of spillover effects from conflicts based in other countries—the “homeland issue” influence. Research indicates that ethnopolitical violence remains at historically high levels. Canadians must remain alert to these indicators, continuing to encourage efforts to combat terrorism both internationally and domestically, and taking precautions when working or travelling abroad.

*

 

[bootstomper]

Hmmmmmmmm, seems that there is a whole group of brain dead Canadians posting here that have a great deal of trouble with the English language.

1. You don't like the policy, don't cross the border. You drink too much, don't tip, and your money is next to worthless anyway.

2. LC didn't do anything but post what is in the press and those things released by your own misguided, socialist, running the country down the drain, politicians are spouting.

3. We don't care what you think. Really. We don't. At one time we did, now we don't.

4. We are hoping that Quebec forces another vote on independence. The Quebec'rs get their own country. We get Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta as states. BC forms it's own country, and that leaves Ontario. What the hell is anyone going to do with the Maritimes?

And before you allow your alligator mouths to overload your canary assholes. My father is a WWII Canadian vet. and I haved lived in Canada off and on. Take care of your invective.

Ishmael

Gee, with posts like this, I wonder why so many people hate America and think you're a bunch of arrogant cunts

 

[Freya]

Hmmmmmmmm, seems that there is a whole group of brain dead Canadians posting here that have a great deal of trouble with the English language.

1. You don't like the policy, don't cross the border. You drink too much, don't tip, and your money is next to worthless anyway.

Oh, that unsafe one? Patrolled by who?

2. LC didn't do anything but post what is in the press and those things released by your own misguided, socialist, running the country down the drain, politicians are spouting.

And that description would surely fit your own politicians, I do believe.
3. We don't care what you think. Really. We don't. At one time we did, now we don't.

Ditto dear - as much as your egos will never let you admit it- we dont' give a rat's ass what you think either.

4. We are hoping that Quebec forces another vote on independence. The Quebec'rs get their own country. We get Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta as states. BC forms it's own country, and that leaves Ontario. What the hell is anyone going to do with the Maritimes?

You're assuming that there's any part of Canada stupid enough to allow themselves to become part of the US?

And before you allow your alligator mouths to overload your canary assholes. My father is a WWII Canadian vet. and I haved lived in Canada off and on. Take care of your invective.

Yet another example of why your country is hated around the world - it's a shame that the 90% of good, decent Americans are overshadowed by ones like you.

Ishmael

 

[Barely__There]

Your logic is FUCKED up. But I presume to much. I assumed that you had any to begin with.

Ishmael

LOL...See...case in point.

 

[bootstomper]

We're not a socialist country, but we're much more of a democratic society than the U.S.
That last '(s)election' was a joke