Can the term "slut" be redeemed for SM episodes?

[Pure]

The reason for asking is that in our tolerant society, 'slut' is now even a term of commendation, and often self applied. It means 'sexually adventurous' or simply 'avid for sex.' The term 'slutty' often has no more punch than 'naughty.'

Do you think "slut" has lost its sting? If so (as I tend to think),

What would it take for ''slut" to be redeemed, to have some 'sting' to it (e.g. shame)? [added: 2 pm EDT--and hence have some use in SM episodes.]

If one says 'yes', what would it take? Let's hear people's ideas. One obvious one, though too extreme [added, 5 pm EDT--or possibly unsafe] for most persons is that the bottom is "compelled" to actually sell herself (himself) to a stranger--one over which she has no choice as to discrimination. Short of that, what is there?

Would some kinds of psychological probing, for instance, be necessary?

 

[lne_iii]

Actually I've found that most women still flench at hearing the word, especially if it's from someone they care about, and someone who doesn't say such words very often. -raises hand-

That being said, I find it hot.
As long as whoever I'm saying it to knows that I'm not meaning it to be mean.
Or say that they are a slut...
Because if I actually say that to someone...
Probably means that I think of them as my slut...
And...yeah...me likey.


LNE

 

[catalina_francisco]

LOL, I dunno about it meaning sexually adventurous Pure...I see a lot of women applying it to themselves just because they fuck their husband or boyfriend BUT won't do anal, or swallow if they do oral, or anything else which could be thought of as remotely adventurous. Like you say, it has become for some a commendation, and like in all areas of life there are those who want the accolade without actually doing what is required to earn it. As to the prostitution idea in a SM or D/s sense...I don't actually see that as being high on the scale of out there behaviour, but then I also don't think the same as some people in these areas.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

More interesting to me, what's the obsession in relation to SM and D/s?

How is it that sexual voraciousness and availability is assumed to be part and parcel of submission? Or a sense of discrimination a hinderance?

I guess in this day and age where if I ever plan on using that person sexually again anything I make them do can and would come back to haunt me, making someone blow unwrapped strangers in a men's room is more suitable for my fantasy life. I like being alive, it's a good deal.

I don't see submissiveness and sluttishness as part of the same package or a sluttishness necessarily a good trait in a submissive.

An entertaining trait in a bottom at times, maybe.

So I ask, why?

 

[Pure]

Hi Netz,

N: More interesting to me, what's the obsession in relation to SM and D/s?

P: My posting did not mention D/S. I don't post much on doms and subs.

N: How is it that sexual voraciousness and availability is assumed to be part and parcel of submission? Or a sense of discrimination a hindrance?

P: I did not mention submission. I used the example of humiliation, and yes, if not 'part and parcel', the slut issue is a favorite and primary avenue for humiliation---if the term has any punch left, which is the subject of the poll. I assume 'humiliation' is often a part of the "M" in SM. (I believe it is for you, from your postings.)

In simple terms, you 'put someone down' or degrade them--in theory, and at least till 1960 in the US-- if you call them a slut. What's not to understand?

 

[catalina_francisco]

LOL, my answer to why connecting it to a discussion of SM or D/s or BDSM would be, because this is a BDSM forum, not a general sexuality or other forum, so as such, discussions in Talk usually are assumed if not explicit in being connected to those areas, no?

Catalina

 

[A Desert Rose]

...so as such, discussions in Talk usually are assumed if not explicit in being connected to those areas, no?

Catalina

Yes.



;D for you Catalina.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Yes.



;D for you Catalina.

LOL, just trying to go with the original intent of the forum which was always to my knowledge known as the BDSM forum....if not, we may as well have stayed part of the GB where anything and everything can be discussed with no common base.

Catalina

 

[A Desert Rose]

LOL, just trying to go with the original intent of the forum which was always to my knowledge known as the BDSM forum....if not, we may as well have stayed part of the GB where anything and everything can be discussed with no common base.

Catalina

and I agree with you... in my witty little way.


LMAO

 

[catalina_francisco]

and I agree with you... in my witty little way.


LMAO

If we aren't careful. Pure will drag us to his dungeon and show us what he is made of!! Sorry for the minor hijack Pure...if you were closer, I am sure we could find a way for me to make amends.http://members.home.nl/animation.world/index/dolzz/Dolzz06.gif

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[A Desert Rose]

If we aren't careful. Pure will drag us to his dungeon and show us what he is made of!! Sorry for the minor hijack Pure...if you were closer, I am sure we could find a way for me to make amends.http://members.home.nl/animation.world/index/dolzz/Dolzz06.gif

Catalinahttp://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/angels/teu26.gif

Yes most definately, YOU would be making amends. Not me, doll. LOL

I think it's a given that most people equate threads like this to their D/s lives. If it'snot (lol) related to that and bdsm, then it makes one wonder why it's here. I agree with you. And I'm not hijacking or OT.

 

[saw_man1]

Nope

As a tool being used for humiliation, I don’t think it would work with anyone other than a newbie. It is too common a word to shock anyone who has been around awhile.

I suppose that if one used that word towards a sub while in vanilla company said use might qualify as humiliating. It might also qualify as grounds for divorce or justifiable homicide!

 

[chris9]

I'm not sure the word has lost its punch.
And it might just be another different understanding/use of words again. I know when reading English stories, if the pyl is called slut it does very little to me. If they are called naughty, which is more rare, so that could be the reason, it turns me on.
The German equivalent of 'slut' (Schlampe) I might apply to myself in relation to general messiness, like missing deadlines, not finding papers, not having cleaned my appartment in too long. If someone ever called me this, it would be VERY humiliating.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

What would it take for ''slut" to be redeemed, to have some 'sting' to it (e.g. shame)? [added: 2 pm EDT--and hence have some use in SM episodes.]

Use it in the right place under circumstances that feed into that place.

If one says 'yes', what would it take? Let's hear people's ideas. One obvious one, though too extreme for most persons is that the bottom is "compelled" to actually sell herself (himself) to a stranger--one over which she has no choice as to discrimination. Short of that, what is there?

Plenty ... you went to a physical extreme which surprises me. For grins and giggles, let's try Shank's proposed "Patton running a company alpha male" that trembles with Shank behind the bedroom door. Shank has said partner take Shank into work on the weekend, into the board room, and submits to Shank repeatedly at the partner's normal chair during meetings. Shank flips the chair when done and writes "Slut" in body fluids upon the underside of the chair.

Would some kinds of psychological probing, for instance, be necessary?

Perhaps, but that comes naturally simply by listening and observing during any long conversation.

 

[Pure]

hi angelic,
not sure if i'm reading that concise scene right. is it this --S takes his partner to the partner's work and fucks said partner in the partners usual chair for meetings. after (with the knowledge of the partner) he writes 'slut' in bodily fluids on the underside of the chair. (IOW, at work the next day, only the partner will know about what's written.)

??

 

[FurryFury]

Even though the word has become far too commonly used, I personally would be surprised if it were used in relation to me, in RL, by someone I had a relationship with, except under very special circumstances.

I don't take it lightly at all when applied to me. I might even take offense. That wouldn't be a good thing. I expect to be treated with respect but now and then the wrong word used in the right way can be H-O-T.

OTOH, I have caught myself calling some of the cats around here Food Sluts and Chip Whores. They don't mind at all. I suspect it's lost it's punch for them if it ever had any at all.

I didn't vote because none of the options were "right" for my POV.

Fury

 

[shy slave]

I don't think its lost its punch when used by the right person in the right way.

I like it, the times it has been used in relation to me I have taken it as a compliment.

Then again I like the word 'cunt' as well

 

[Shankara20]

Shank flips the chair when done and writes "Slut" in body fluids upon the underside of the chair.

yes, I can see my "Bitch" being made to do that.....

that little "Slut'



I have had more negative reaction to calling a bottom "Bitch", but that might be for another thread...

 

[Pure]

hi sha[n]kara*,
i think i get the 'scene', but what i don't quite get [is] why the word 'slut', used in it, will have any particular 'sting' (e.g., humiliation) to it. mightn't this person *revel* in being called 'slut' or 'bitch'?

my little poll was not intended to ask, 'does anyone ever call someone (or get called by someone) a slut?'

--
*sorry about the typo for your name.

 

[Shankara20]

hi shakara,
i think i get the 'scene', but what i don't quite get it why the word 'slut', used in it, will have any particular 'sting' (e.g., humiliation)to it. mightn't this person *revel* in being called 'slut' or 'bitch'?

my little poll was not intended to ask, 'does anyone ever call someone (or get called by someone) a slut?'

Pure - I just did a mini-hyjack back there.

In my experience calling someone new to D/s, who is a "s" (I'll just uses that to make it easy on me of this conversation), "slut" is mostly received as a negative and does have a sting of humiliation, which might very well be what they want and they embrace the word and the sting - there is a bit of a dichotomy there. it is exactly what they want AND it hurts them.

If they stay with D/s and move into more community connections words like "slut" and "piggy" could very well will become more self-selected words and could even be used with pride. However those same words could sting if used by someone outside the local community.

Am I clear at all? Bed is calling. I'll check back in the morning and edit if needed.



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[Netzach]

Pig has SO much more punch, in my experience.

 

[LunarKitten]

The reason for asking is that in our tolerant society, 'slut' is now even a term of commendation, and often self applied. It means 'sexually adventurous' or simply 'avid for sex.' The term 'slutty' often has no more punch than 'naughty.'

Do you think "slut" has lost its sting? If so (as I tend to think),

What would it take for ''slut" to be redeemed, to have some 'sting' to it (e.g. shame)? [added: 2 pm EDT--and hence have some use in SM episodes.]

If one says 'yes', what would it take? Let's hear people's ideas. One obvious one, though too extreme [added, 5 pm EDT--or possibly unsafe] for most persons is that the bottom is "compelled" to actually sell herself (himself) to a stranger--one over which she has no choice as to discrimination. Short of that, what is there?

Would some kinds of psychological probing, for instance, be necessary?

Actually, it would depend upon who used it with me. It's actually a pet name Master has given to me, it's even tattoed on my bumm. It doesn't phase me when a close friend uses it in an affectionate way. However, like the word Bitch, if used by someone I do not know well, or used in a way I know is MEANT to be derogatory, it really upsets me.

 

[LunarKitten]

LOL, just trying to go with the original intent of the forum which was always to my knowledge known as the BDSM forum....if not, we may as well have stayed part of the GB where anything and everything can be discussed with no common base.

Catalina

*runs screaming and hides in the corner*

 

[Pure]

hi lunar

kitty,
thanks for sharing.

you said in part,

['Slut' is]It's actually a pet name Master has given to me, it's even tattoed on my bumm.

this, of course, exactly bring up the point of this thread. it appears to me that your Master calling you 'slut', at this point, would be more a compliment, than something than made you ashamed.

hence my hunch that the word is almost irretrievably lost for use in an SM encounter (among most pairs, esp. younger ones), e.g for humiliation.

here's a question for you, however. suppose, in passing, you mentioned to the Master that you'd had a dream about being 'taken by the family dog,' and that it was a very arousing dream, one, however, that embarrassed you to recount. suppose there is a next episode involving humiliation, and he were to say, "you are slut who even wants to get fucked by the family dog." would *that* reach you? (or is this whole line, inconceivable).

 

[WriterDom]

Slut is edge. Hard core. Rock on.