Can Realism exist in a forum that is fundamentaly Idealistic?

[destinie21]

Can Realism exist in a forum that is fundamentaly Idealistic?

Please Take into account socialist realism before answering

this thread was of course inspired by the realism in art thread


I'll Answer sooner or later

 

[Pure]

you mean this forum and the stories at Lit.??

 

[destinie21]

No I don't mean forum as in the lit I mean Forum as in artistic or musical and I probably should have stated that . Also feel free to bring Magic Realism into the discussion

A short definition of Magic realism : painting in a meticulously realistic style of imaginary or fantastic scenes or images.

 

[MathGirl]

Originally posted by destinie21 A short definition of Magic realism : painting in a meticulously realistic style of imaginary or fantastic scenes or images.

Now THERE'S something that can be argued about ad nauseum. The first point being that it seems a contradiction in terms.
MG

 

[Quint]

Now THERE'S something that can be argued about ad nauseum. The first point being that it seems a contradiction in terms.
MG

But since you summarized half of the argument so neatly, we are sadly robbed of potential hours of vomitus. I'm guessing we may look forward to just one more step before the "nuh uh!" "uh huh!" begins. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Edited for one ounce too much drivel.

 

[destinie21]

But since you summarized half of the argument so neatly, we are sadly robbed of potential hours of vomitus. I'm guessing we may only look forward to only one more step before the "nuh uh!" "uh huh!" begins. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Come On quint who among us doesn't love a parodox?

 

[Quint]

Come On quint who among us doesn't love a parodox?

Rub mine with lemon and basil and serve roasted with a light white zin, please. I won't be able to finish both of them.

I quack myself up.

 

[ffreak]

Can Realism exist in a forum that is fundamentaly Idealistic?

Why not? Aren't Hopper's Nighthawks or Evergood's Sunny Side of the Street examples of American Socialist Realism?

Don't the Russian and East German depictions of life show an idealism while pushing their agenda?

 

[destinie21]

Can Realism exist in a forum that is fundamentaly Idealistic?

Why not? Aren't Hopper's Nighthawks or Evergood's Sunny Side of the Street examples of American Socialist Realism?

Don't the Russian and East German depictions of life show an idealism while pushing their agenda?

How would I know I'm just trying to keep up with the joneses.

 

[ffreak]

But as for Magical Realism, we already have you.

You're real and magical.

you mean like: Paul Jones

 

[pop_54]

Hmmmmmm

No I don't mean forum as in the lit I mean Forum as in artistic or musical and I probably should have stated that . Also feel free to bring Magic Realism into the discussion

A short definition of Magic realism : painting in a meticulously realistic style of imaginary or fantastic scenes or images.

Idealistic Realism for some, Escapism for others I'd think, but how should I know I'm just a country boy at heart.

 

[gauchecritic]

Don't the Russian and East German depictions of life show an idealism while pushing their agenda?

Are we talking Dostoevsky and Wagner here or trying to make an unqualifiable distinction between East/West or Communism versus Free (ha!) Democracy (ha ha!!)

Gauche

(Not politics again )

Edited to remove the phonetic dostoevsky

 

[Guest]

Gauche: I'm not talking politics. Dostoevsky and Wagner were neither realists nor idealists, not formally anyway, but I get your ref.

The worst, as in unintended hilarity, ballet I ever saw was the Soviet "The Red Poppy" (unsure about title, something like that). E.g. a corps de ballet dressed like Red Guards en pointe and pointing rifles in unison.

Purr

 

[destinie21]

But as for Magical Realism, we already have you.

You're real and magical.

you mean like: Paul Jones

Shameless flirt

 

[Guest]

Shameless flirt

Nah, Dest. I'm sure he has no shame. Not sure if that makes him a better, or successful, flirt.

Per

 

[ffreak]

And here I thought I was making real progress.

 

[Guest]

And here I thought I was making real progress.

Real progress is not measured by thy staff alone.

bluntly, Perdita

 

[ffreak]

Evidently not, since it's feeling rather deflated at the moment.

 

[Guest]

Awwww, perk up, Eff. Bimbeaux aplenty abide on Lit. Sometimes you have to compromise.

 

[destinie21]

Can Realism exist in a forum that is fundamentaly Idealistic?

Don't the Russian and East German depictions of life show an idealism while pushing their agenda?

As an educated guess I can simply describe my take on Socialist Realism (is that what you were acknowledging as idealism?)

As conceived by Stalin, Zhdanov, and Gorky, socialist realism prescribed a generally optimistic picture of socialist reality and of the development of the Communist revolution.


The adoption of "Socialist Realism" by the first All Union Congress of Soviet Writers (17 August-1 september 1934) was a seminal event in Russian cultural history on a par with Peter's embassy to the west or Catherine's Instruction to her legislative commission. Henceforth literature and the arts lost some of their public identification with civil society and gained a formal place in the official culture of the Soviet era and in the overbearing discourse of leading newspapers such as Pravda. Writers and artists had to accept the metamorphosis of public discourse itself, as editors and journalists plunged into a kind of hyperreality in the face of the disjunction between the promises and results of stalinist policies. Those who lived through this crisis in public perception and experienced its outcome imbued "socialist realism" with its poignant contemporary meanings. "Socialist realism" was both less and more than a literary tradition: less because the meanings of the phrase depended so heavily on extra-literary commentaries, and more because these commentaries were always part of a larger system of authoritative discourse.
Scholars often stress aesthetic or political dimensions of socialist realism, e. g. art's function in state policy and links between political and cultural actors, or the interplay of art and tradition.

After the death of Stalin in 1953 some relaxation of strictures was evident, although socialist realism continued as the official doctrine.
my 2 cents

 

[ffreak]

And worth far more, my dear. Why aren't you teaching Art at the college (or are you)?

What are your comments on artists like Mr. Jones? (sorry I didn't copy the link down here - but its in the earlier post)

 

[destinie21]

I don't teach anything, remotely related to art. LOL
I'm just a hack.


As far as artists like Mr Jones I enjoy pictures scences but the tradition and esscence of it all strikes me as a bit trite.

Regard D21

 

[ffreak]

They called Dickens and Lautrec hacks in their day.

So, who do you prefer?

 

[destinie21]

Funnily enough I tenf to like Laurtrec because of the tragedy surrounding his life. Some of the bitterness and "craziness" comes right through the art. However I can appreciate Dickens (assuming we're talking about sid) His art lacks the emotion of Laurtrec but is beautiful nevertheless.