Cable Modem users- You are being WATCHED!

[Spinaroonie]

[Full Story] http://hb.lycos.com/header?Z=13092&VID=5102&LHM=0&LHS=2

According to this Wired News article, the Justice Department is already using its new powers under the USA Patriot Act to obtain subscribers' identities and other information from cable operators without judicial oversight under Section 211 of the new legislation. Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff also says that the act has allowed police to obtain IP addresses of cable subscribers and has enabled DOJ to obtain court orders for ISP logs outside a court's traditional jurisdiction. The Senate Judiciary Committee has convened hearings to review the impact of the Bush administration's actions on civil liberties, but A.G. Ashcroft is not scheduled to appear until December 6. One wonders what effect the upcoming cable failure [Excite @home services are going out of buisness and may pull the plug on users TOMORROW -Sd] will have on government surveilance of the potentially criminal citizenry.

So... now the gov't knows your secret crushes

 

[Spinaroonie]

You'd think this'd get more attention...

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

You'd think this'd get more attention...

Carnivore and Echelon have been around for a while - this just makes it official and legal.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Carnivore and Echelon have been around for a while - this just makes it official and legal.

Carnivore was *supposedly* for monitoring sex offenders and other criminals, and could *supposedly* only monitor To: From: and Subj: Fields. It was more of a targeted thing.. from what we've been told.

This is more and net, sweeping up everything. And they're trying to get as much as they can before the sixth when it could be overturned

 

[bluntforcemama]

Oh shit.... anyone seen my "I care" face?

 

[Angel]

Oh shit.... anyone seen my "I care" face?

Sorry, I borrowed it earlier.

 

[LukkyKnight]

Safety in numbers

OK, I am as much a libertarian as anything, even vote for them when I think there's a chance it won't be utterly meaningless, but you're missing a crucial point (or three) on this issue.

Granted, snooping is a bad thing.

If the gov't was capable of sifting through the data they cull from information sources effectively they'd have been able to see September 11 coming. Grabbing still more information will subject them to finding the needle in a still larger haystack. The less targeted their collection is, the less useful it becomes.

By all means, fire off letters, the Bush agenda has some hugely dangerous implications for us as a society, but the risk to individuals with cable modems is trivial except and unless they are involved in illegal activities - so the real issue is not the data collection, IMHO, but "adjustments" to the determinations of what is and is not legal.

 

[Phoenyx]

So sad aboiut this shit. thank god it can only be used against americans. So dam intrusive.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Re: Safety in numbers

By all means, fire off letters, the Bush agenda has some hugely dangerous implications for us as a society, but the risk to individuals with cable modems is trivial except and unless they are involved in illegal activities - so the real issue is not the data collection, IMHO, but "adjustments" to the determinations of what is and is not legal.

What about everybody's favorite crime Copyright infringement? Currnetly the FastTrack network (acessed throught clients such as Kazaa and Morpheous) has excelled the number of Napster users at it's peak. [Source: NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/29/technology/29MUSI.html] Add in users of Satellite and that's an incredibly large number of cable modem users who are criminals.

 

[Phoenyx]

Re: Re: Safety in numbers

What about everybody's favorite crime Copyright infringement? Currnetly the FastTrack network (acessed throught clients such as Kazaa and Morpheous) has excelled the number of Napster users at it's peak. [Source: NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/29/technology/29MUSI.html] Add in users of Satellite and that's an incredibly large number of cable modem users who are criminals.

A Dutch cout has orders the fast track network shut down in two weeks.

 

[LukkyKnight]

Re: Re: Safety in numbers

What about everybody's favorite crime Copyright infringement? Currnetly the FastTrack network (acessed throught clients such as Kazaa and Morpheous) has excelled the number of Napster users at it's peak. Add in users of Satellite and that's an incredibly large number of cable modem users who are criminals.

Yes, indeed, what's your point?

 

[Spinaroonie]

Re: Re: Re: Safety in numbers

Yes, indeed, what's your point?

Back in the day, they used to have a warrent to look through your stuff, or, if you're Paul Reubens they have to ask you to look through your stuff.

It used to be law... but I guess it isn't

 

[Spinaroonie]

Re: Re: Re: Safety in numbers

A Dutch cout has orders the fast track network shut down in two weeks.

They've filed a counter suit, which should Gum things up. It was also suing the makers of Kazaa, saying that they have to restrict people from copyright infringement using their program, not the network. So Kazaa may stop functioning, morpheous and others will go strong.

 

[LukkyKnight]

LOL

No, they used to need a warrant to use what they found as evidence in a court. This, and jury trials, protected people like O.J.Simpson quite nicely. Nobody is ever convicted by a jury of their peers, and more often we get a jury of idiots and peers in this country. The laws of evidence are based on the concept of unreasonable search (and seizure.) The agents of the powers that be have never felt compelled to uphold them, they simply have to be careful how they employ what they uncover.

Somebody stop me, I got my stupid ass into a political debate on the internet. What the hell was I thinking?

 

[Spinaroonie]

Re: LOL

No, they used to need a warrant to use what they found as evidence in a court. This, and jury trials, protected people like O.J.Simpson quite nicely. Nobody is ever convicted by a jury of their peers, and more often we get a jury of idiots and peers in this country. The laws of evidence are based on the concept of unreasonable search (and seizure.) The agents of the powers that be have never felt compelled to uphold them, they simply have to be careful how they employ what they uncover.

Somebody stop me, I got my stupid ass into a political debate on the internet. What the hell was I thinking?

Then what' that whole protection from unreasonable search and seizure buisness I learned in school? What does it protect me from? MY neighbor doing it? There's a difference between the scene of a murder and my hard drive. Once a murder scene is found it only takes a minute for a warrent to be printed up.

The reason it's the idiots on juries is because all the smart people find a way out of it. It's sad.

 

[Asendin]

mmmmm i like being watched

 

[Spinaroonie]

mmmmm i like being watched

NOT LIKE THAT!.... But that sounds fun...