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[Que]

You are both attributing to me doom and gloom quote and suggesting that Obamacare is here and nothing bad has happened.

It sounds like we both agree nothing much has happened in which case why the question the first place?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Didja see alleged? That means unsubstantiated.

So it's pointless bullshit speculation.

I even went so far as to throw you a bone by saying that the companies were using it as an excuse to drop coverage the fact that many companies have dropped coverage I assume you have some news source you like to look at... or are you unaware that companies have drop coverage and cited Obamacare as the reason?

Ohhh threw me a bone did ya?? Wow

Yea they cited it before it was even in place....and I'll call every one of them a lying fuck head for it too.

I personally I think that if we could roll everything back no one should be getting their health care from their employer what does one have to do with the other?

I agree....actually in my universe if you don't get your insurance sorted then you die in the street and I get to hang outside the ER and laugh as people shit their pants after biting it because the hospital told them to fuck off.

I get it now I'm here pwned simply means I disagree with you.

Do I'll get up from our little chairs and do victory dances with me pwn someone??

Just need to know so I fit in.

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My take on Obamacare and why it's dangerous is yes it will collapse under its own weight the same way better career has and will continue to do so...

Time will tell, and if it all flies apart over the next couple years I'll gladly stand corrected, but I don't think making insurance companies be slightly less scummy is going to be the world ender the corporate dick suckers on the right are making it out to be.

the only problem with wait and see is the farthest thing burrows in the more it will be not possible to remove.

Oh bullshit....we can vote it right the fuck out any time we want.

I get people here confused but as I understand that you're single payer advocate. Which is at least an honest point of view.

Pretending that Obamacare as written is going to be anything but an absolute cluster f***... seems disingenuous.

Which is why I say it's a vile piece of legislation that does nothing to address the fact that our HC system as a whole is a big dry butt fucking of the American bank account by the corporate interest surrounding the HC industry.

None of this shit has anything to do with helping anyone or doing the right thing.....it's about who's getting that 2.8T in gubbmint cheese.

If you want to call it a necessary step on the way to single payer well fine I can at least appreciate that point of view.

I don't....I think it's a crock of fucking shit, and anyone who says it is is a fucking liar too. This is the dems trying to look good without having to take their hand out of the cookie jar.

 

[Que]

You're kind of an interesting amalgamation of seemingly contradictory positions.

I'm not positive though, that they are contradictory...


There's so much wrong with this law, and you even more what I perceive as the impossibility of administrating it with anything less then clusterfuckery, that it seems pointless to get down in the weeds about specifics. However without from time to time citing something specific it just seems like general obstructionism which is of course what the charge that the leftist make.

I don't have a good feel for how the specifics of how this will end up. However legislation being like it is insurance company is another large companies that are well-connected being like they are I'm assuming that they think portions of this are going to help them... and that parts that hurt them they will be able to get pulled out at a later time.

The thing that convinces me that this is nothing but a march to single payer is the pre-existing conditions part.

In my view that turns the this into no longer insurance. What are you insure against if one can walk in the door at any given time and be quote covered unquote... what does covered or not covered in actuarial tables mean anymore?

I'm sure there's gotta be some way to game the system, and someone somewhere is working on it. What if you could get a nice little hack into the computer system and gently steer 5 percent of the hard luck cases that were headed to your door to one of your competitors. That would be a fun little hack.

But there is bound to be some sort of either intended or unintended consequences resulting in consolidation of insurance companies I don't really see how this is changing anything... and consolidation of insurance companies can't be any better for the consumer than consolidation has been the banking..


I really don't know anything about the administration of these so-called exchanges which nearest I can tell is just permission to get your plan on to the Obamacare website when I eventually does start to work.. as obviosly it eventually will. But how does any of that increase competition and by that I mean no one's going to start a brand new insurance company just to "compete" for customers with pre-existing conditions.

Unless (they're probably not unreasonably) counting on the idea that as these things start to engulf the insurance company that they'll be some sort of on a per customer bases bailout system...

So it's pointless bullshit speculation.



Ohhh threw me a bone did ya?? Wo

Yea they cited it before it was even in place....and I'll call every one of them a lying fuck head for it too.



I agree....actually in my universe if you don't get your insurance sorted then you die in the street and I get to hang outside the ER and laugh as people shit their pants after biting it because the hospital told them to fuck off.



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Time will tell, and if it all flies apart over the next couple years I'll gladly stand corrected, but I don't think making insurance companies be slightly less scummy is going to be the world ender the corporate dick suckers on the right are making it out to be.



Oh bullshit....we can vote it right the fuck out any time we want.



Which is why I say it's a vile piece of legislation that does nothing to address the fact that our HC system as a whole is a big dry butt fucking of the American bank account by the corporate interest surrounding the HC industry.

None of this shit has anything to do with helping anyone or doing the right thing.....it's about who's getting that 2.8T in gubbmint cheese.



I don't....I think it's a crock of fucking shit, and anyone who says it is is a fucking liar too. This is the dems trying to look good without having to take their hand out of the cookie jar.

 

[about_average]

Is English you're second or third language cus that was a truly painful read and I read Jeninflorida and Busybody.

LOL I was thinking the same thing and those last few posts just emphasized it. I'm not even going to bother to read his/her posts anymore, they just slow things down too much.
I can't compare really to the latter two, they've been on ignore so long I can't really remember what they were like, other than maybe like stepping in dog shit.

 

[Que]

LOL I was thinking the same thing and those last few posts just emphasized it. I'm not even going to bother to read his/her posts anymore, they just slow things down too much.
I can't compare really to the latter two, they've been on ignore so long I can't really remember what they were like, other than maybe like stepping in dog shit.

It's probably best that you stick to those little Instagram blurbs that get passed round on Facebook and twitter.

Quick, easy to digest, always agrees with you.

Be best if you just put me on ignore. That way- those really long posts get to be really short and easy to read. Besides why would you ever read something that you don't agree with? E-Specially that has lots of words and stuff.

 

[CandiCame]

Thats an understatement. Funny how people no interest in any businesses seem to think they know something about even one.

Worked at a pizza place in my youth. I remember the waitresses commenting on how often people complained that pizza was so overpriced because all it is is a little dough, sauce and a few ingredients.

Nevermind that you got to have a 600 degree oven fired up and ready to accept that pizza all day, lights, taxes, waste from spoilage to errors, and labor from cooks to dishwashers.

Worked at an appliance and audio/video store... sort of like a Best Buy. Our single location though was bigger than any Best Buy... we were able to buy with as big of volume discount as anyone is ever going to get from the manufacturer. Mountains of refrigerators. Rooms full of VCR's. As an employee I could buy anything I wanted for cost plus 10% percent.

Interesting how often it was cheaper just to buy the floor price. Yet when people to plunk down $900 for a big screen TV they somehow think the store is keeping 800 of it instead of 50 to 90 dollars. I'm sure there is an eight hundred percent markup from the price of cotton to A custom tailored shirt... But I seriously doubt any clothing store is buying those $16 shirts for a dollar or two.

The shirts that, for example, No Boundaries sells to Walmart are purchased for 8 cents per unit and sold for $18-$25 per unit. That's a normal clothing mark-up. Mark-up for electronics is similar. The way that we are able to do this is by exploiting sweat shop labor on everything from the field where the cotton's grown to the factory floor in China. I'm not sure why you think that's different from what it is. Best Buy has an average 400% mark-up; H&R Block has an account for them. And Wal-Mart. There's an interesting parent company relationship going on there. If you were told that it was lower than 400%, you were lied to. The average high end tablet costs H&R Block, last year, around $10 a unit. That's why managers are allowed to misplace so many of them without being written up. That's why in an industry with such a shrinkage problem, you don't see prices fluctuate as much as they should if they had a 40% mark-up (which you're suggesting) and the shrinkage problem that they have. They have a fairly high employee turn-over rate too. Yet they keep training new employees. How do you think they can afford to do all that? Because it wouldn't work on the business model that you seem to be under the impression exists.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're kind of an interesting amalgamation of seemingly contradictory positions.

I'm not positive though, that they are contradictory...

They aren't....

Look we decided that we were not going to just let the indigent die in the street....cool. That's where Republicans dropped the fucking ball. They just want to dig their heels in and leave it at that. What a bunch of half assed cock suckers man...sorry but you already voted for socialized medicine the day we decided not to turn the poor away from ER's.

This may be slower than fuck but we gave up the free market a long time ago, now it's just a matter of "what's the cheapest most efficient way to deal with these people we are no longer going to let die in the street??" single payer UHC is....own it....accept the reality.

I don't have a good feel for how the specifics of how this will end up. However legislation being like it is insurance company is another large companies that are well-connected being like they are I'm assuming that they think portions of this are going to help them... and that parts that hurt them they will be able to get pulled out at a later time.

Are you just hammered as fuck or did you not make it past the 2nd grade?

And if you're saying what I think you are, no shit it's going to help them, multi billion dollar corporations don't pop bubbly and throw multi million dollar parties over legislation that is fucking them over.

The thing that convinces me that this is nothing but a march to single payer is the pre-existing conditions part.

What's wrong with a single payer? It's unequivocally more effective, cheaper and creates a happier healthier society than this half ass pseudo "Just ignore it and hope for the best" bullshit HC system the US Republicans advocate.

You have no argument against it other than "I don't wanna!!!" in which case NOTHING is stopping you from buying your own luxury insurance package....so you can't even argue against it with the most childish, bull fucking shit reason possible.

In my view that turns the this into no longer insurance.

Good, our sick and injured citizens shouldn't be capitalized upon by big business, and certainly not at the inflated rates the government they purchased promised to to collect for them via taxation.

What are you insure against if one can walk in the door at any given time and be quote covered unquote... what does covered or not covered in actuarial tables mean anymore?

Why are you so hell bent on making sure the crony capitalist have this market by the balls and ripping people off to the very edge of criminality?? Ohhhh those same scum bag's are the guys YOU vote for. Are you even aware of that?

I'm sure there's gotta be some way to game the system, and someone somewhere is working on it.

Both parties are balls deep in it...that's what this entire fight has been about, who get's to keep the lions share of our 2.6T dollar welfare program to the rich we call the US Health Care system.

What if you could get a nice little hack into the computer system and gently steer 5 percent of the hard luck cases that were headed to your door to one of your competitors. That would be a fun little hack.

That's the dumbest fucking thing I have ever herd....and why would they do that when the GOP can just tell people like you "Butt...freedom!!! Freedom to fuck consumers because they got sick/injured!!!" and have you frothing at the mouth to end that EVIL Obama care, and no single evil Hitler payer UHC!!! To make sure GOP interest in the insurance industry keep raking in that money.

But there is bound to be some sort of either intended or unintended consequences resulting in consolidation of insurance companies I don't really see how this is changing anything... and consolidation of insurance companies can't be any better for the consumer than consolidation has been the banking..

It's not about the consumer high speed....it never was.

But how does any of that increase competition and by that I mean no one's going to start a brand new insurance company just to "compete" for customers with pre-existing conditions.

It doesn't..it's not meant to, it's meant to force insurance to shove a whole shit load of money into big pharma's pocket.

The democrats FUCKED republican interest for a whole shit load of money and made sure that democrat interest got paid for it. And they sold it to us the voters with expanded coverage. That's the only reason republicans are pissed the fuck off...Obama pissed in their crony capitalist post toasties with some crony capitalism of his own.....they don't give a fuck about your freedom man, not one tiny bit, they are the party of for profit private prison industry for christ sakes.

At the end of the day? Still buying 500 dollar aspirins.....and spending over 2x what single payer UHC SHOULD cost at MSRP prices.

Unless (they're probably not unreasonably) counting on the idea that as these things start to engulf the insurance company that they'll be some sort of on a per customer bases bailout system...

None of this has anything to do with the consumer...the company and the government's job is to give us juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust enough to keep us from fucking them up in mass. That's it....otherwise their primary objective is to squeeze every drop of blood from us that they possibly can.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wow I show up late and teeth have been kicked down throats already and people have stomped mudholes and walked em dry on every point I could hope to make. So I'm just checking in and happy to see you all.

By the by Query it's not about you agreeing with people, it's about not being an ignorant putz. Nobody at all talks shit to Colonel Hogan, most of the time Ishmael is dealt with if not fully respectfully at least with a modicum of it. Vette used to be treated much better.

You want to be treated like an adult, act like one.

The rest of your points were previously shot down so I don't need to do anything.

 

[jeninflorida]

Who said? Time, CBS, MSNBC... are all calling obama a liar

 

[Boxlicker101]

The shirts that, for example, No Boundaries sells to Walmart are purchased for 8 cents per unit and sold for $18-$25 per unit. That's a normal clothing mark-up. Mark-up for electronics is similar. The way that we are able to do this is by exploiting sweat shop labor on everything from the field where the cotton's grown to the factory floor in China. I'm not sure why you think that's different from what it is. Best Buy has an average 400% mark-up; H&R Block has an account for them. And Wal-Mart. There's an interesting parent company relationship going on there. If you were told that it was lower than 400%, you were lied to. The average high end tablet costs H&R Block, last year, around $10 a unit. That's why managers are allowed to misplace so many of them without being written up. That's why in an industry with such a shrinkage problem, you don't see prices fluctuate as much as they should if they had a 40% mark-up (which you're suggesting) and the shrinkage problem that they have. They have a fairly high employee turn-over rate too. Yet they keep training new employees. How do you think they can afford to do all that? Because it wouldn't work on the business model that you seem to be under the impression exists.

I found it extremely hard to believe the companies you refer to achieve such markups. Many years ago I worked in billing at an office furniture retailer and our markup was about 60% on wooden furniture and 40% on metal furniture. Later, on another job, I used to calculate markups and those for a liquor store were about 40% and those for a bar or restaurant (not fast food) average between 300% and 400%.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I found it extremely hard to believe the companies you refer to achieve such markups. Many years ago I worked in billing at an office furniture retailer and our markup was about 60% on wooden furniture and 40% on metal furniture. Later, on another job, I used to calculate markups and those for a liquor store were about 40% and those for a bar or restaurant (not fast food) average between 300% and 400%.

I'm not defending Candi's math but rather looking at yours.

Those mark ups you're talking about are JUST at the retailer level. Let use something I'm sure you deal with or at least see on a regular basis. Store brand vs Name brand. Often times it's the same company, same plant they just sell it in a different package. We all know there are plenty of times when you're paying more for the brand than you are anything else.

Which is not a problem in and off itself it's just a fact of life.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I found it extremely hard to believe the companies you refer to achieve such markups. Many years ago I worked in billing at an office furniture retailer and our markup was about 60% on wooden furniture and 40% on metal furniture. Later, on another job, I used to calculate markups and those for a liquor store were about 40% and those for a bar or restaurant (not fast food) average between 300% and 400%.

Oh man you have a really narrow perspective of markets.


If you knew how much farmers make on that 7 dollar head of organic lettus at your fancy yuppy markets

 

[Sean Renaud]

I want someone to figure out what the mark up is on soda. I assume there must be a very good reason why pretty much every container filled with Soda costs the same regardless of the size. And how McDonalds can sell them all for $1 today even though before they started at like 89 cents.

That's to say nothing of various services.

 

[jeninflorida]

The obama stupidity continues.....

Oh how it must suck....knowing msnbc is ripping into asshat obama

Its offical, obama worst potus EVER

 

[VaticanAssassin]

I want someone to figure out what the mark up is on soda. I assume there must be a very good reason why pretty much every container filled with Soda costs the same regardless of the size. And how McDonalds can sell them all for $1 today even though before they started at like 89 cents.

That's to say nothing of various services.

Co2 (.02), Syrup (.13), cups (.03), Ice (.01), Labor (.03)....

I will guess .22 per medium fountain drink.

Let me know the answer. Good luck!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Co2 (.02), Syrup (.13), cups (.03), Ice (.01), Labor (.03)....

I will guess .22 per medium fountain drink.

Let me know the answer. Good luck!

You know I'm gonna do something I rarely do. I'm gonna take your word for it because that sounds really fucking accurate.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

You know I'm gonna do something I rarely do. I'm gonna take your word for it because that sounds really fucking accurate.

NO! dont take my word...

That was a guess and I really wanted to know the right answer. But not bad enough to spend 20 minutes finding it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You know I'm gonna do something I rarely do. I'm gonna take your word for it because that sounds really fucking accurate.

Don't his estates are way high. Consider how much bulk and how cheap labor is for Mc.Do's....1 dollar drink? They have MAYBE 5c into it.

 

[Sean]

I want someone to figure out what the mark up is on soda. I assume there must be a very good reason why pretty much every container filled with Soda costs the same regardless of the size. And how McDonalds can sell them all for $1 today even though before they started at like 89 cents.

That's to say nothing of various services.

The largest profit margin in a British pub is on postmix drinks. Next it food, then beer then spirits.

 

[jeninflorida]

Did this come from obana? Even msnbc aka socialist news network knows obana is a liar




Ouch

Another conservative Obamacare myth bites the dust.





http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/but-no-one-will-want-to-be-a-doctor/

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Bot Boy is right and wrong. McD's is not a good example as they have the largest scale of economy in the world for such...

They actually get the Syrup for free.

Found this online: ( I was almost spot on)

The ratio of syrup to water is 5 to 1, meaning for every gallon of syrup served, 5 gallons of water is also used. In other words if you serve an entire BIB to Foodservice customers you have served 5 gallons of syrup + 25 gallons of water for a grand total of 30 gallons of product. As we know, there are 128 oz in a gallon. Therefore, 128 oz x 30 gallons yields 3,840 oz of product. To take this one step further, I am accustomed to getting around an 98.5% yield out of each BIB. Because I pay for 100% but only use 98.5%, my costs increase concurrently. To figure out the real usable product we will take 3,840 oz x 98.5% and the true amount of product to be sold is now = 3,782.4 oz.

To figure our soda cost we will need to uncover the $ cost per ounce and apply that to the soda sizes you offer. We will use a 20 oz beverage for this calculation. Knowing we get 3,782.4 oz out of a 5 gallon BIB we will divide into this quantity of 3,782.4 oz into our $50 BIB cost. Therefore, $50 / 3782.4 = .0132 This tells us that each oz of served product costs us $0.0132

For a 20 oz soda we will now take our pour size of 20 oz x $0.0132 and get $0.264 or basically 27 Cents per 20 oz soda. Now lets consider ICE! If you fill your 20 oz cup with ice to the brim, you will only be pouring about 8.75 oz of soda into the cup. Realistically your soda cost will only be 8.75 oz x $0.0132 or 12 cents per unit sold. To finish the cost out lets say we have a 7 cent foam cup, 1 cent lid and 1.5 cents straw to complete the package. Although these last three items will most likely be accounted on your Profit & Loss statement as paper goods, let's add them to the soda cost to realize the total cost involved with selling a 20 oz soda.

20 oz cup of soda with ice requires 8.75 oz of product or $0.12
20 oz foam cup cost $0.07
Lid for cup costs $0.01
Straw costs $0.015
Total Cost = $0.215 or rounded up $0.22 per soda

Next, take your sell price and subtract your per soda cost to realize gross profit. If you sell the 20 oz soda for $1.25 then you make $1.03 in gross profit and your attributable NA/BEV cost for the soda is $0.22 / $1.25 = 17.6% (18% to 20% is very common for Soda)

Refills
Lets assume that you see 60% of your soda-buying guests getting refills. To figure in this additional cost lets go back to the soda requirements in the first cup. We figured with ice that we would need 8.75 oz of soda in a 20 oz cup. Two cost busting scenarios will now happen. The guest will refill the cup with more product and almost always there will be less ice to take up space this time around. First, because of melting ice we will boost our soda requirement on refills to 10 oz as you can almost without fail measure this yourself and see that the requirements will be around 1.25 oz greater to fill the cup. What we have just determined is every time you sell a soda you are really selling 8.75 oz of product + (60% of guests x 10 oz) In other words 8.75 + 6 = 14.75 oz. Now we take our 14.75 oz x $0.0132 = $0.1947 or 20 cents a soda.

20 oz cup of soda with ice & free refills requires 14.75 oz of product or $0.20
20 oz foam cup cost $0.07
Lid for cup costs $0.01
Straw costs $0.015
Total Cost = $0.215 or rounded up $0.32 per soda

Refills are very popular in a number of establishments and there are certainly nothing wrong with them, many guests love it. Just make sure to reconsider your sale price to keep and ideally retrieve more gross profit and keep you soda cost around that 18% to 20% mark. If you priced your 20 oz soda with free refills at $1.75 then your gross profit would increase and you would retain $1.75 - $0.32 = $1.43 of GP$ Also, your % NA/BEV cost of goods for the soda would now be $0.32 / $1.75 = 18.3% Makes cents right!

 

[jeninflorida]

You are both attributing to me doom and gloom quote and suggesting that Obamacare is here and nothing bad has happened.

It sounds like we both agree nothing much has happened in which case why the question the first place?

A lot HAS happened. People are being dropped


Insurance rates are sky rocketing! !

 

[RobDownSouth]

Do Movie Theater Popcorn next!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Bot Boy is right and wrong. McD's is not a good example as they have the largest scale of economy in the world for such...

They actually get the Syrup for free.

Yea you were spot on for any "Joe Shmo" operation to run a fountain drink machine.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Thanks Vat.

However I'd point out since your equation is for restaurants in particular that the price is quite probably lower once you start factoring in things like you know cans and bottles. We're talking profit margins in general not restaurants in particular. This did stem from the idea that businesses aren't making money (or certainly not in significant quantities.) Which ultimately isn't the point. Despite conservative talking points I've yet to meet the liberal that cares how much money you make. Sure at a certain point they'll say your arguments for "don't tax me bro!" become null and void but that's not really the same.