Bush says pornography should be illegal in the U.S. - Please READ.

[Guest]

Tomorrow, I urge all of you to get out and vote, regardless of your party.

I want you to consider, though, that Bush is against freedom of speech and for more government involvement in your life. Gore may support the government spending money to help poor people and to help the environment, but Bush supports spending the same money on making you live your life by his rules. Bush is against homosexuality, anal sex, adult entertainment of all kinds, women having the right to control their own bodies, and people who do not believe in his god.

This is a direct quote from George W. Bush:

"Pornography has no place in a decent society."

When you go and vote tomorrow, please consider the implications of the Christian Coalition having their man in the White House. This is about more than money, it is about freedom and tolerance.

No matter what you decide, please do vote!

Here's a link to the article with Bush's quote:
http://www.cwfa.org/library/pornography/2000-11-02_prosecution.shtml

 

[Jester]

Well, good thing we're no "decent society."

 

[Skibum]

If I thought for a minute that a President could get a law banning pornography through Congress I would work long and hard against him. Fortunately such a law would never pass, and would be overturned by the Supreme Court if it were.

That said, and disagreeing with Bush on the subject, I will still vote for him tomorrow because I feel he is less a threat to freedom in the US than Gore is.

Gore, like most Democrats, is a Socialist at heart. I consider Socialism thge greatest threat to personal liberty in tyhe world today. Many people profess to distrust the government, yet by embracing Socialism they give more and more control of the lives over to that same Government.

I realize that a certain level of benevolent Socialism is required as a safety net, especially for those who are unable to provide for themselves. I just think that most Democrats go a little too far, so I will vote for Bush, even though he is not the perfect candidate.

 

[Cheyenne]

Originally posted by Skibum
That said, and disagreeing with Bush on the subject, I will still vote for him tomorrow because I feel he is less a threat to freedom in the US than Gore is.

Ditto.

 

[Ticklish Girl]

Gore, like most Democrats, is a Socialist at heart. I consider Socialism thge greatest threat to personal liberty in tyhe world today. Many people profess to distrust the government, yet by embracing Socialism they give more and more control of the lives over to that same Government.

I realize that a certain level of benevolent Socialism is required as a safety net, especially for those who are unable to provide for themselves. I just think that most Democrats go a little too far, so I will vote for Bush, even though he is not the perfect candidate.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[KillerMuffin]

I agree with Skibum and Cheyenne on that one too.

They've been trying to ban porn for how long now? Remember the trial of the People vs. Larry Flynt? How much actual fucking can you see in a Hustler today? Not much left to the imagination is there. Even Jimmy Carter failed miserably, porn flourished under him.

Bush can spout about how he wants to ban porn, but that's an empty promise to make the so-called Moral Majority love him and therefore vote for him. Congress cannot legislate morality, the 18th amendment (it was the 18th?) banning alcohol because of it's destructive immorality lasted how long? Not very.

It is, despite what they all scream about, protected by the first amendment, the freedom of speech. The only four words you can't say on TV today are fuck, shit, cunt, and cock. Everything else is fair game.

 

[CreamyLady]

I have to disagree.

By himself, Bush can do nothing about the First Amendment. However, please look at who is supporting him -- and please, please PLEASE look at the makeup of the Supreme Court.

This election is critical because there are up to four seats that can be filled by the winner of this election. Orrin Hatch -- who is dead set against almost everything the people who frequent this site hold dear -- is a serious contender.

The Supreme Court did give us Roe v. Wade, and it can take it away. The First Amendment could very well be interpreted very narrowly.

I'll admit I'm something of a socialist, and a tree hugger, and am not a Christian, and I fully support each and every person's right to their ideas and opinions. However, I think a victory for Bush, harmless as it might appear, is going to have serious repercussions.

 

[Laurel]

I believe when he says that he'll try to illegalize porn, that that's exactly what he'll do - via, as CreamyLady said, hardcore Conservative appointments to the Supreme Court and anti-free speech appointments in his cabinet. We all think that the freedoms we have now are ours to keep, but that's not so. Porn is a grey area. Our right to view and enjoy should NOT be taken for granted.

If you truly distrust Government, why vote in a man who's already sworn to use Federal power to try and limit YOUR freedoms?

I don't distrust totally government. I'm very proud to be an American, and I have an enormous respect for our system, warts and all.

I choose not to believe the bumper-sticker slogans that both candidates like to repeat ad nauseum. Republicans want JUST AS MUCH Government involvement in your life as the Democrats. I'd rather have a welfare system and free speech, than no welfare system and no free speech.

Both candidates are gonna grow government and intrude in our lives. You want no intrusion? Vote Libertarian, but remember that those "Government Programs" so despised include the FDA, the military, maintenance of the roads and freeways, and social security.

KillerMuffin mentions that there's as much porn in Hustler today as there was before Flynt spent 12 months in jail - that's great, but Mr. Flynt isn't getting that year back, his wife back, or his ability to walk back. His life was destroyed by the very people who are Bush's staunchest supporters. Should innocent people have to suffer this kind of persecution for exercising their rights under the First Amendment? If you think the answer is "yes", then Bush is certainly a viable candidate. If you think "no", then I strongly suggest that you take a look at Browne or Gore.

For everyone trying to peg Gore as a Socialist, that's just Rush Limbaugh rhetoric. The true Socialist in this election is Nader, and he's proud of it.

Whoever you decide to vote for, please do go out and vote and we can meet back here tomorrow night and see who gets the last laugh.

 

[Guest]

Wuf Wuf Wuf!!

 

[Laurel]

Waitaminute...what's a Wonder Puddle?

 

[Puddles The Wonder Poodle]

Definately not me.

 

[forgetunome]

Originally posted by Laurel
what's a Wonder Puddle?

I've been wondering that?

 

[Vlad]

Vote early, vote late, just vote, that's the only way Democracy can work! I voted last week-

Vlad

 

[RisiaSkye]

Maybe it's just me

...but I find it deeply distressing that the Governor of the largest America/Mexico border state doesn't even speak Spanish--in fact, he called in his nephew to speak Spanish to the "natives"--and patronize Mexican Americans--at the convention. Is this the end-all and be-all of achievement (speaking Spanish)? No. Do millions of Americans living on low incomes from minimum wage service jobs manage to be bilingual? Yes. And if you don't believe me, spend a few years working in the hospitality industry. But an Ivy League educated child of a millionaire can't manage the same feat--because there's no incentive in trying if you're already guaranteed safety, security, and success.

Is this relevant, you ask? You bet it is. Bush is so concerned for "the people" that he doesn't have any idea who they/we are, and has no interest in finding out. He is so concerned about our hypothetical "future" that he has mandated making racially biased standardized tests the measure of academic success. He's so concerned with respect for the law that he hid (for months) his history of DUI arrests, and still refuses to address the issue of his drug use and alcohol problems. Don't get me wrong, I don't care (to be frank) if he took drugs. After all, I took them. And I liked them, too. But it bothers me that this kind of hypocrisy (Republicans, after all, brought us the War on Drugs) is not a problem when it comes to our politicians.

And don't get me wrong. Gore is no angel, either. He spent years with his nose up Clinton's ass in order to raise a lackluster political performance into an allegedly "proven track record". In other words, he rode his one-trick enviro-tech pony all the way to the Clinton White House, where he oozed into an eight year post as the most invisible second-in-command in memory. Not to mention, as soon as word leaked out (pardon the pun) that Clinton might have gotten more than his salad dressing on the side, he began distancing himself from Ole' Bill faster than you can say "cigar". But, he has no problem taking credit for any and everything good that has happened in this country.

AND we have to worry about his wife, the anti-free speech Nazi. And, she's not the only attached-to-the-ticket to be afraid of this time around. Dick and Lynn Cheney have waged war on free expression, PBS, the National Endowment for the Arts, and other media of creative outlet which did not resemble Norman Rockwell's creepily nostalgic pablum for The Saturday Evening Post. She and the Cheneys should actually get together. But, they'd have nothing to say to each other. They just want to legislate the aesthetic and moral tastes of EVERYONE else.

I am disturbed that we don't want more of our candidates. I am frightened by the fact that we are so deeply apathetic and willing to accept any empty sloganeering which even momentarily pretends to mean anything that we will elect one of two under-achieving rhetoricians--not to mention that they are BOTH Republicans, no matter what the ticket says. In fact, take away the voice differences, and level the playing field of beauty, and they're interchangeable. But, this is nothing new. Presidents in this country are, typically, a variation on the theme of "white guy who talked his way into office, and semi-patiently waited his turn for a shot at the Bigtime of Bullshit".

This is not, however, an ad for Nader. Not only in he underprepared for the mental and physical rigors (there's that pun again) of the Chief Executive post (his health is questionable, and his foreign experience negligible), he really IS a Socialist. It's a nice idea that we might all just hold hands and heal the world, but it didn't work out too well elsewhere, did it? Let's ask the United Soviet Socialist Republics...oh, wait. I can't think of a faster way to ensure complete economic collapse. It's not that I'm against levelling the playing field, or changing the distribution of resources--it's that I'm afraid of anyone who presumes to have The Answer to how this is fairly and conservatively done.

So, what's the point? Vote, sure. It's your right, and like so many other rights we take for granted, if we don't use and appreciate it, there are plenty of people who'd be perfectly willing to take it away. And it's necessary to choose a representative, to appear in our stead, negotiate with others on our behalf, and make the daily decisions that we don't have the time or energy to make as a collective.

But don't convince yourself that the problems you see with the world are going to be solved by an anonymous stranger in a grey suit. In the end, real change will come from the place it always originates--the people.

[Edited by RisiaSkye on 11-07-2000 at 12:29 AM]

 

[Docgtvt]

i've said it before, i'll say it again..dear god, ANYONE but george w.! the man is a coke head drunk driver who along with his brother neil has already swindled the country out of over five Billion dollars! doesn't anyone remember the s&l scandle? they were on the board of directors of silverado savings and loan!
as for him making porn illegal and such, i must agree with laural and others. the next president could have to replace four of the nine members of the supreme court. no president has had so much power since washington.
so on this the first tuesday following the first monday of november, vote early, vote often and vote responsibly.

 

[Xander]

I believe when he says that he'll try to illegalize porn, that that's exactly what he'll do.

You know Laurel, if it comes to that, I'll set up server and extreme bandwith for ya', over here in Denmark.
We practically invented Porn in newer ages. There's no chance in hell ANYONE would touch that here. No matter how religious, conservative or defensive of (im)morality.

All you need to do is say the word

 

[Phoenix]

Reason was many people are so apathetic on voting is basically the choices. We have that idiot G.W. Bush ( daddy's lil boy and the only man who is so unqualified for the job that people think he is perfect for it) and Al ( If I were any stiffer I would be blown away) Gore. These are two of the most boring man on this God forsaken planet. Hell If I was old enough to register on time then I would have probably gone third party. Not too many people would agree with me but hey (listen carefully Mr. Bush) that is my Freedom of speech. No one should have the right to censor anything. If there is something on TV you don't like turn the freaking channel. If you don't like rap music turn the freaking station. If you don't like pornography don't look at it dammit. See simple salutions.

As for the children who like this stuff. Well lemme put it to ya like this children are gonna do whatever they want. IF they want to watch porn the minute you leave the house they will dip into their porno stash ( and everyone has one believe me) and beat off until their hands are too slippery to change the change. If they wannna listen to rap music faster than you can say byotch, they will have their headphones on blasting the latest Eminem CD. Matter of fact the porn industry, the music industry and the TV industry should thank those morons in Washington for the free publicity because everytime you tell some one not to do something they are gonna try it anyway. Why because we are human and we have the basic right to chose what we want. Now tommorrow when everyone goes out to vote remember that it is your right to chose what you. And even though neither man is what you want, you are going to have to exercise the freedom to chose on the lesser of two evils. And which one is that well I dunno and I am not gonna tell you. But just remember when you chose remember this is 4 years and a lot can happen in those four years

 

[Latina]

Gee, Phoenix, could there be a conspiracy at work here? Clinton's buddies, powerful Hollywood moguls Witt-Thomas-Harris, funnel HUGE amounts of money into his campaigns, and now into Gore's. Then they somehow persuade Bush to attack music, videos, porn, and other entertainment, boosting their sales so they get richer, AND ensuring that freedom-loving Americans vote for Gore because Bush scares the hell out of everyone. Then Gore's wife Tipper continues HER decade-long tirade against those same things, and entertainment sales grow still MORE, ensuring MORE Hollywood money flowing to Gore for his RE-election campaign four years from now. Everyone wins except the voters.

It could be closer to the truth than anyone suspects.

-- Latina

 

[Ambrosious]

When asked recently about Eminem, Tipper had no idea who he is. This is from the "leader" in the fight against adult lyrics? She should study just a LITTLE harder, dontcha think?

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Ambrosious]

Am I the only one who has never even heard of Bush's wife? Who is she, what has she done? Has she even opened her mouth once during the campaign?

Does it matter? She isn't running for office or trying to head a national committee of some form or the other.

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

I for one......

Do so like.....

Tipper's big luscious - fat whits ass!!!!!

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

PS.....

This thread seems so Blue to me.

 

[Ambrosious]

What's to critisize? Mrs. Bush keeps her nose out of the political arena. My point was that if Tipper wants to head the national committee to outlaw dirty words in music, she should at least know her subject matter. Elizabeth Dole did a very nice job running the Red Cross. She asked for it and took it to new heights of volunteer-ism. She knew the job and how to get it done. I am NOT saying that she didn't make mistakes along the way. I am saying that comparing Mrs. Bush to either of these ladies is way off base. Critisize her mothering or housewifing if you want.