Bush not the worst Pres. Scolars say.

[JackLuis]

"238 presidential scholars: Bush worst president of modern era, fifth worst in US history"

Boy you could have fooled me.

"President Bush ranked worst among modern presidents -- and the fifth worst in history, according to the poll by the Siena Research Institute."
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"President George W. Bush did not fare well since the last poll was conducted in 2002. He dropped 16 places to 39th, making him the worst president since Warren Harding died in office in 1923, and one of the bottom five of all time, according to the experts:
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"Today, just one year after leaving office, the former president has found himself in the bottom five at 39th rated especially poorly in handling the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence. Rounding out the bottom five are four presidents that have held that dubious distinction each time the survey has been conducted: Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, and Franklin Pierce.""

Oh yeah, I forgot about Buchanan and Pierce.

Let's hope he stays at the bottom of the list, God forbid we get anyone worse!

 

[Boxlicker101]

"238 presidential scholars: Bush worst president of modern era, fifth worst in US history"

Boy you could have fooled me.

"President Bush ranked worst among modern presidents -- and the fifth worst in history, according to the poll by the Siena Research Institute."
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"President George W. Bush did not fare well since the last poll was conducted in 2002. He dropped 16 places to 39th, making him the worst president since Warren Harding died in office in 1923, and one of the bottom five of all time, according to the experts:
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"Today, just one year after leaving office, the former president has found himself in the bottom five at 39th rated especially poorly in handling the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence. Rounding out the bottom five are four presidents that have held that dubious distinction each time the survey has been conducted: Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, and Franklin Pierce.""

Oh yeah, I forgot about Buchanan and Pierce.

Let's hope he stays at the bottom of the list, God forbid we get anyone worse!

Buchanan and Pierce are easy to forget about. I know they came in between Taylor and Lincoln, when there was relatively rapid turnover, but that's all I actually know.

I thought U. S. Grant was in that lowest echelon too. Andrerw Johnson should maybe be given something of a pass. He succeeded Lincoln, and was faced with a hostile Congress, which made it impossible for him to do much. I don't know where The Big O will eventually rate, but I think it will be quite low, because of his unpopular Socialist tendencies and the imcompetents and crooks he has appointed.

 

[JackLuis]

I don't know where The Big O will eventually rate, but I think it will be quite low, because of his unpopular Socialist tendencies and the imcompetents and crooks he has appointed.

Currently he is in 15th above Geo HW Bush. An inauspicious placement if he has aspirations.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Currently he is in 15th above Geo HW Bush. An inauspicious placement if he has aspirations.

Fifteenth out of 44 is not too bad, but it is also not very good. It's really too soon to rank either him of W, but I expect they will both be near the bottom when the objective eye of History looks them over.

 

[ishtat]

Interesting that neither Carter nor Nixon rate close to the bottom.

Is Buchannan there because he was gay or merely inept?

 

[TheeGoatPig]

I think it is worth noting that Bush is a direct descendant of Piece.

 

[3113]

I think it is worth noting that Bush is a direct descendant of Piece.

So it was genetic?

 

[JackLuis]

So it was genetic?

I heard that he is a shape shifting Reptilian Alien, one of the many in the Anglo-American financial conspiracy, I didn't believe it, but it is fun to think about.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Fifteenth out of 44 is not too bad, but it is also not very good. It's really too soon to rank either him of W, but I expect they will both be near the bottom when the objective eye of History looks them over.

I doubt it. In grade terms of this list, he's at least a B-. Bam won't be dropping any lower than #20 if he even moves at all and being #15 is good next to the legacy of several dead prezzes. And he'll definitely place win over than the two non-show Bushes.

 

[sr71plt]

So it was genetic?

Apparently. Whoever "Piece" is.

 

[sr71plt]

I doubt it. In grade terms of this list, he's at least a B-. Bam won't be dropping any lower than #20 if he even moves at all and being #15 is good next to the legacy of several dead prezzes. And he'll definitely place win over than the two non-show Bushes.

Oh? Where does Bush Senior rank? I thought his was one of the better administrations I worked under.

 

[The_Fool]

Oh? Where does Bush Senior rank? I thought his was one of the better administrations I worked under.

#20.

PDF document here

 

[sr71plt]

#20.

PDF document here

Thanks. That's hardly fair to Andrew Johnson. He wasn't given any chance at all.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Thanks. That's hardly fair to Andrew Johnson. He wasn't given any chance at all.

As I remember my History lessons, Johnson tried to treat the South reasonably, but he had no chance with the Congress he was stuck with. I don't believe he was responsible for the Jim Crow laws either, because they were passed by the individual state legislatures.

I would have rated J. Adams a lot lower. His administration tried to abrogate the Bill of Rights.

 

[ishtat]

As I remember my History lessons, Johnson tried to treat the South reasonably, but he had no chance with the Congress he was stuck with. I don't believe he was responsible for the Jim Crow laws either, because they were passed by the individual state legislatures.

I would have rated J. Adams a lot lower. His administration tried to abrogate the Bill of Rights.

You are harsh to Adams. One of the reasons he failed was because of previous work he had done.

Alternatively Adams regretted that the commitment to end slavery was eliminated from the Declaration of Independence an omission which concerned the generally sainted Jefferson much less.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You are harsh to Adams. One of the reasons he failed was because of previous work he had done.

Alternatively Adams regretted that the commitment to end slavery was eliminated from the Declaration of Independence an omission which concerned the generally sainted Jefferson much less.

Jefferson was a slave owner, as was Washington. At the time, this was a normal thing for southern planters, and not held against them. Adams was from the Northeast, and slavery was illegal there. How he would have felt otherwise is a matter of conjecture.

However, he did sign into law the Sedition Act which made it unlawful to criticize members of Congress, the president, etc. When Jefferson took office, he immediately pardoned all those convicted under the act.

I'm not sure what you mean by One of the reasons he failed was because of previous work he had done.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Jim Crow Laws came along about 1905, after Plessy v Ferguson created separate but equal treatment of the races.

Carter has to be near the bottom of any list.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The Jim Crow Laws came along about 1905, after Plessy v Ferguson created separate but equal treatment of the races.

Carter has to be near the bottom of any list.

There seems to be some dispute of their dates of origin. I googled the phrase and got a lot of hits with different dates, ranging from 1876 to 1896, following Plessy vs. Ferguson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

I agree about Peanuts. Maybe he was too nice a guy to do well.

 

[sr71plt]

The Jim Crow Laws came along about 1905, after Plessy v Ferguson created separate but equal treatment of the races.

Carter has to be near the bottom of any list.

Obviously not, as there are eleven below him in this year's list in the list this thread is based on (and he just took a big slide from the last poll).

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BOX

The confusion about Jim Crow Laws is based on ignorance of the timeline and events.

Before the Civil War slaves lived and travelled with their masters, or escorted the master's minor children aboard public conveyances. Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben went 1st Class.

During Reconstruction Black Civil Rights were championed and abused by the Republican Party and the US Army. Generally speaking, blacks were exploited by the Republicans, terrorized by the KKK, and supervised by the army.

During the Restoration Period, 1877-1895, the 14th Amendment was ignored and black civil rights were Balkanized, that is, enforced or ignored depending on local sentiments. Harpers Magazine published a report on conditions in the South, and concluded that life was generally good for blacks & whites in cities, and awful for both in rural areas.

Plessy tested the 14th Amendment on a Louisiana passenger train. He was 1/16th black and looked white. So he bought a ticket and announced his 'race' to the conductor. The Supremes ordered separate but equal public accommodations, erc., and the state legislatures went to work codifying 'Jim Crow' practices into law. Before Plessy community standards ruled; after Plessy Jim Crow ruled.

 

[ishtat]

I'm not sure what you mean by One of the reasons he failed was because of previous work he had done.

This Wiki article below (much better than average wiki standard) will explain better than I could. I will concede that John Adams could be a pompous ass much too concerned with grandeur but he achieved much of real substance which tips the scales of judgement very firmly in his favour.

His own writings could be a little dense but they reveal an extraordinarily capable man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams

 

[squarejohn]

Bush ranks low because the media kept on badmouthing him without pause. Eventually, people began to believe the bullshit. And now, after he's been out of office for eighteen months, everything that goes wrong is still his fault. Obama's hands are clean.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

Bush ranks low because the media kept on badmouthing him without pause. Eventually, people began to believe the bullshit. And now, after he's been out of office for eighteen months, everything that goes wrong is still his fault. Obama's hands are clean.

Bush started a war over WMD's that did not exist, and over a link between Iraq and Al Quaida that did not exist. The media cheered him, until the it was shown that none of his reasons for going to war were factual.

And that's only the beginning of his gross incompetence.

 

[squarejohn]

Bush started a war over WMD's that did not exist, and over a link between Iraq and Al Quaida that did not exist. The media cheered him, until the it was shown that none of his reasons for going to war were factual.

And that's only the beginning of his gross incompetence.

You proved my point. Everything you mentioned was always in the news. You were brainwashed, my friend.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

You proved my point. Everything you mentioned was always in the news. You were brainwashed, my friend.

Wow. Show me one wmd recovered in Iraq and I'll recant. Just one. Or the Nigerian yellowcake. Any funds that passed from Iraq to Al Quaeda.

The problem for you and the bushie revisionists is, quite simply, the facts destroy you. And yet you continue to deny reality. You are like the black knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "No WMDs? That's only a flesh wound. Come back and fight me."

"What are you going to do, bleed all over me?"