Bureacracy?

[PervOtaku]

Actually, they often do exactly that. For instance, here's a list of changes between Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (UK version) and Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (US): "car park" to "parking lot", "crumpets" to "English muffins", "jumper" to "sweater", etc etc. It doesn't list simple UK-US spelling changes, but they did those too.

Given the lack of faith that publishers have in American readers, it must be astounding to them that we can tolerate Doctor Who without anybody "fixing" it for us.

Frankly I regard either method of punctuation and quotation marks to be valid as long as one is consistent. There are far worse grammatical sins to be sure. If you dig through various google search results on the matter you'll find a lot of people saying that American manuals of style are still consistent on the "inside" rule but that people not required to follow them by their employer are sometimes reverting to the "British" method.

 

[sr71plt]

Frankly I regard either method of punctuation and quotation marks to be valid as long as one is consistent. There are far worse grammatical sins to be sure. If you dig through various google search results on the matter you'll find a lot of people saying that American manuals of style are still consistent on the "inside" rule but that people not required to follow them by their employer are sometimes reverting to the "British" method.

Interesting that after not being able to back up the assertion that the American style manuals are moving toward the British, you now retreat to the totally impossible-to-coorborate some people "are sometimes reverting to the British method." Bullshit. Most American writers aren't even aware there's a British style and those who are have no incentive to go there--it's more complicated than the U.S. style--and it if goes to a U.S. publisher, it's going to be changed. Yes, American writers sometimes put the comma outside the quotation mark. In U.S. style terms, we call this a "mistake."

The bottom line is that U.S. style isn't affected by your personal preferences--and U.S. style hasn't and isn't changing to British style on quotation punctuation.

It all doesn't matter much to the issue here, though. The Web site rejected the form used. To get the story on the Web site, it needs to be changed to what the Web site will take. It doesn't matter whether you or anyone else thinks the Web site is wrong in what it wants. It's what it wants to get the story published here.

 

[horrorotica]

Just an aside, Horrorotica, aren't you under indictment here for plagiarism of stories on this site (see the Feedback Forum)? Don't you have something to say about that?

Don't know what you're talking about to be honest. I haven't plagiarised anyone's story that I'm aware of.

 

[sr71plt]

Don't know what you're talking about to be honest. I haven't plagiarised anyone's story that I'm aware of.

I noted where the thread is: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=964802

 

[lovecraft68]

Interesting that after not being able to back up the assertion that the American style manuals are moving toward the British, you now retreat to the totally impossible-to-coorborate some people "are sometimes reverting to the British method." Bullshit. Most American writers aren't even aware there's a British style and those who are have no incentive to go there--it's more complicated than the U.S. style--and it if goes to a U.S. publisher, it's going to be changed. Yes, American writers sometimes put the comma outside the quotation mark. In U.S. style terms, we call this a "mistake."

The bottom line is that U.S. style isn't affected by your personal preferences--and U.S. style hasn't and isn't changing to British style on quotation punctuation.

It all doesn't matter much to the issue here, though. The Web site rejected the form used. To get the story on the Web site, it needs to be changed to what the Web site will take. It doesn't matter whether you or anyone else thinks the Web site is wrong in what it wants. It's what it wants to get the story published here.

I think you should back up your assertions.

Can we see a scan of the programs from all the Broadway Musicals you've sung lead in?

Can you show us where your name is associated with "helping to write" the current US copyright laws?

Can we see your name in the credits for the movies you've worked on?

Or are you too busy editing for those 20 publishers? Must be a light workload to be able to post here 24 seven and spend so much time picking at people's posts.

 

[lovecraft68]

I noted where the thread is:

Of course you did because you're a little bitch snitch.

maybe you should think about taking another writers stories and putting them under your name. Maybe you'd get some decent views.

 

[horrorotica]

I noted where the thread is: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=964802

Yeah I just read that. Like I said, I have not deliberately plagiarised anyone's story. If you don't believe me then that's your problem.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah I just read that. Like I said, I have not deliberately plagiarised anyone's story. If you don't believe me then that's your problem.

I don't believe in miracles. I posted some comparison sentences on the other thread from just the first few paragraphs. And your version is no longer on your author list. So, no, I don't think this is my problem. I'd say you had just changed names and posted a rewrite, but it's the original author who posted the challenge.

I had this happen to me recently. Someone reposted a story I already had here. It was posted here by me in one name and elsewhere under another. They obviously didn't know I post elsewhere in a different name (because this board wouldn't let me register in my established name elsewhere). Laurel went at them with an ax--so you might want to watch your back.

 

[lovecraft68]

^^^^^

 

[sr71plt]

So, I'm supposed to be upset that Lovecraft68 aligns himself with obvious plagiarism here on Literotia?

 

[TxRad]

Keep it up LC, you're looking more and more like and idiot all the time.

 

[sr71plt]

So, Handley_Page, you still don't understand that Lovecraft68 is rabid crazy?

 

[patientlee]

I´m sorry if I started, or restarted, some kind of infight over matters that are not my concern. My experience from other fora is that if I hadn't, someone else would have. Because they are waiting to happen.

You're absolutely right.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

I´m sorry if I started, or restarted, some kind of infight over matters that are not my concern. My experience from other fora is that if I hadn't, someone else would have. Because they are waiting to happen.

This one is never ending. It's like Peter and the chicken.

 

[sr71plt]

Again, Lovecraft68 could end it just by stopping. If you can't see how crazy he is on this thread, you're blind as a bat.

I'd like to see what you'd do in being followed around and shat on here by an obsessed stalker for years.

 

[LadyVer]

Interesting thread. Anyone got any male pics to share on A Little Show's thread? Thanks to ALS, I got to see some good pics of LC and JBJ, both really good bics, btw. Thanks LC and Jim!

 

[CountGustaf]

Bureaucracy?

Thank you, Literotica Guru sr71plt, for your kind offer, but the story is already resubmitted. Thanks also to oggbashan, PennLady, and RejectReality for constructive advice.
The reason for the rejection was very clearly stated, and one reason only. The punctuation has been fixed, and I now expect the story to pass exam.

 

[CountGustaf]

Bureaucracy?

And I must say this is an interesting forum, where threads develop in interesting ways. We are now on posting 42 in a thread where less than a dozen have the remotest connection to my original question.
It says in the left margin that I'm a virgin, which of course I am to this forum. But I assure you that I'm no virgin to internet fora, I'm a scarred veteran. Which is fortunate, otherwise I might have been scared off.

 

[PennLady]

Thank you, Literotica Guru sr71plt, for your kind offer, but the story is already resubmitted. Thanks also to oggbashan, PennLady, and RejectReality for constructive advice.
The reason for the rejection was very clearly stated, and one reason only. The punctuation has been fixed, and I now expect the story to pass exam.

Good luck with it all. If you'd like feedback, you could post a link in the Story Feedback forum and see what you get.

 

[CountGustaf]

Bureaucracy?

Thank you, PennLady. When it is posted, I will.

 

[Bramblethorn]

And I must say this is an interesting forum, where threads develop in interesting ways. We are now on posting 42 in a thread where less than a dozen have the remotest connection to my original question.

Yeah, that's par for the course. One of the threads over on the BDSM forum turned into a discussion of the chemistry of colour-changes in cooking

Good luck with your story! FWIW, I agree that having the comma outside the quote marks would make more sense, but sadly English grammar isn't about making sense.

 

[PervOtaku]

Interesting that after not being able to back up the assertion that the American style manuals are moving toward the British,

I said no such thing.

you now retreat to the totally impossible-to-coorborate some people "are sometimes reverting to the British method."

Of course it's impossible to corroborate, I was reading this from various supposed grammar expert websites on the internet, where they can say anything they want.

The bottom line is that U.S. style isn't affected by your personal preferences--and U.S. style hasn't and isn't changing to British style on quotation punctuation.

Oh, I have no illusions about changing the U.S. style, I was just pointing out that as long as one is not beholden to an editor, you can choose to follow the British style if you damn well please.

It all doesn't matter much to the issue here, though.

Fair enough. I just said I was surprised by it, is all. Not just the specific issue, but that the editor here takes the time to uphold grammatical standards given the volume of stories she apparently deals with. It's kind of nice to see, actually. A lot of places based around user-submitted stories are plagued with far more obvious problems like run-on sentences and confused homophones.

Since you're all worried about my sources, though, here's a few I just found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Punctuation

However, some American style guides specific to certain specialties, such as linguistics, prefer the British style.[19] For example, the journal Language of the Linguistic Society of America requires logical quotation.[20]

http://www.grammarly.com/answers/qu...arks-and-other-punctuation-inside-or-outside/

Each of the major American manuals says there is wide disagreement on what constitutes the American style.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html

But in copy-editor-free zones—the Web and emails, student papers, business memos—with increasing frequency, commas and periods find themselves on the outside of quotation marks, looking in. A punctuation paradigm is shifting.

Of course the vast majority of websites that describe the issue simply follow the American rule, or describe the two rules and say that Americans should follow the American rule, without further editorializing.

 

[CountGustaf]

Bureaucracy?

All right, I'll fess up. My real name is not Count Gustaf, it's Gavril Princip, and I'm here to start a world war. Again. Getting there.

 

[oggbashan]

All right, I'll fess up. My real name is not Count Gustaf, it's Gavril Princip, and I'm here to start a world war. Again. Getting there.

Do you start it by killing yourself, as a symbol of the aristocracy?

 

[sr71plt]

I said no such thing.

That's true. I'm the one who posted that you couldn't back up the assertion (and you haven't yet).