"Bubba" Gets Head from Trump

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
I'm not sure I get your point here. Is it that Clinton did it consensually and that's bad while Trump did it non-consensually, according to his own words, and that's OK?

1. There's a question of it actually being consensual. Lewinsky herself has raised that question - which tells me it wasn't.

2. What Trump says has no bearing on what CLINTON did.

3. If someone robs a bank, does that mean you can too? Or is bank robbery still a bad thing no matter who does it?

4. Does that same philosophy also apply to sex? Or, in your mind, is one rape sufficient to justify all rape?

You're thinking seems a bit muddled here. As far as Clinton goes, any manager in a private company would have been sacked for his behaviour with a subordinate, consensual or non-consensual. As for Trump, well, he's admitted to non-consensual ("grab them by the pussy") acts and was ordered to pay millions as a result of his assault on E. Jean Carroll.

Do you think Donald Trump should resign the office of the Presidency?

 

[HisArpy]

You're thinking seems a bit muddled here. As far as Clinton goes, any manager in a private company would have been sacked for his behaviour with a subordinate, consensual or non-consensual. As for Trump, well, he's admitted to non-consensual ("grab them by the pussy") acts and was ordered to pay millions as a result of his assault on E. Jean Carroll.

Do you think Donald Trump should resign the office of the Presidency?

1. Clinton wasn't a manager in a private company. Further, he was impeached and lost his law license for perjury, not the sex. Thus, it's YOUR thinking which is muddled.

2. Trump has nothing to do with Clinton's behavior. You trying to make it seem that way is akin to saying that because one person robbed a bank, so can everyone else.

3. "Grab 'em by the pussy" is unrelated to the E. Jean Carroll case. A case which is still on appeal and stands a very good chance of being overturned.

4. Clinton did demonstrably worse than what Trump has done/been accused of and didn't resign. Why one standard for him and another for Trump?

5. Clinton was a horrible person but a very good President. I voted for him twice because of how good he was as President. You'd have voted for him solely because he was a (D). Which shows that your outrage isn't based on the person but on the politics. That's on you.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
You're thinking seems a bit muddled here. As far as Clinton goes, any manager in a private company would have been sacked for his behaviour with a subordinate, consensual or non-consensual. As for Trump, well, he's admitted to non-consensual ("grab them by the pussy") acts and was ordered to pay millions as a result of his assault on E. Jean Carroll.

Do you think Donald Trump should resign the office of the Presidency?

1. Clinton wasn't a manager in a private company. Further, he was impeached and lost his law license for perjury, not the sex. Thus, it's YOUR thinking which is muddled.

2. Trump has nothing to do with Clinton's behavior. You trying to make it seem that way is akin to saying that because one person robbed a bank, so can everyone else.

3. "Grab 'em by the pussy" is unrelated to the E. Jean Carroll case. A case which is still on appeal and stands a very good chance of being overturned.

4. Clinton did demonstrably worse than what Trump has done/been accused of and didn't resign. Why one standard for him and another for Trump?

5. Clinton was a horrible person but a very good President. I voted for him twice because of how good he was as President. You'd have voted for him solely because he was a (D). Which shows that your outrage isn't based on the person but on the politics. That's on you.

Who you vote for in your country is your business, of course. I'm just glad I've never had to make the choices you've been faced with!

I happen to think Donald Trump is far, far worse than Bill Clinton, from his days as a racist landlord to the sexual assaults to the betraying of Ukraine, to the tariff insanity to the extrajudicial murders of people on small boats in the Caribbean and Pacific.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Since when is Bill Clinton a "deplorable?"

And defending a woman's right to consent to sex without being forced in any way is somehow a bad thing in your mind?

I think you're confused about who the good guy is in all of this. Hint: It ain't you.

What?

You're confused. You're equating a class of scenarios where consent is highly context dependent and possibly impaired, to a class of scenarios where consent is positively denied. You're minimizing violent sexual assault and adjudicated rape.

But considering you've put unwilling participants into your rape fantasies, it's not surprising you don't understand consent.

 

[HisArpy]

Who you vote for in your country is your business, of course. I'm just glad I've never had to make the choices you've been faced with!

I happen to think Donald Trump is far, far worse than Bill Clinton, from his days as a racist landlord to the sexual assaults to the betraying of Ukraine, to the tariff insanity to the extrajudicial murders of people on small boats in the Caribbean and Pacific.

Yes, let's dredge up irrelevancies and paint everyone with that broad brush.

Meanwhile in YOUR country; you have a man who was sued and lost for being involved with Epstein, a duchess movie star who forced her cucky hubby to abdicate his position in the royal family, a king who screwed over his wife in favor of another woman, and more.

So, princess, I suggest you not throw stones when you live in a glass house.

 

[HisArpy]

What?

You're confused. You're equating a class of scenarios where consent is highly context dependent and possibly impaired, to a class of scenarios where consent is positively denied. You're minimizing violent sexual assault and adjudicated rape.

But considering you've put unwilling participants into your rape fantasies, it's not surprising you don't understand consent.

tl;dr;probably stupid as all fuck anyway

 

[Rightguide]

I happen to think Donald Trump is far, far worse than Bill Clinton, from his days as a racist landlord to the sexual assaults to the betraying of Ukraine, to the tariff insanity to the extrajudicial murders of people on small boats in the Caribbean and Pacific.

Yes your hallucinatory interpretations of reality are noted. Those are all your problems.

 

[YDB95]

Merely being of legal age doesn't equate to consent.

I didn't say it did. I said legally, what mattered was that Lewinsky was old enough to legally say yes, and she did.

ONLY consent equals consent, and if the consent is gained via force of ANY type, it's called rape or sexual assault.

It wasn't "gained via force" here. She was a consenting adult, no matter how much you wish otherwise.

In addition to that, you're ASSUMING that Lewinsky was a "willing" participant despite the FACT that Clinton was her boss and there's a possibility that if she didn't say yes, she'd lose her position.

Technically, Clinton was not her boss. If we were talking about her immediate supervisor, it would be a very different story.

That possibility of losing her position negates "willing" every time unless you can affirmatively prove otherwise.

When a right winger starts sounding this much like a radical feminist, you just know he doesn't believe a word of it! In any event, by all accounts, Lewinsky wasn't concerned about losing her position, and she wanted to do what she did at the time.

You can't in this case because Lewinsky testified and there's nothing to show that she was willing BEFORE Bill propositioned her and lots to show that she wasn't.

Wrong. She initiated the whole thing. I already mentioned that.

You claiming she was "flashing her panties" has no support as far as I can discover (ie; you made up that lie) because her interviews contradict what you're saying.

Maybe you just haven't heard all the interviews. It's quite well established that that is exactly how the whole thing started.

No one I know of regrets having consensual sex with their partner.

Not that they told you about, anyway. I assure you, it does happen.

 

[HisArpy]

I didn't say it did. I said legally, what mattered was that Lewinsky was old enough to legally say yes, and she did.

You dipshit, that's what "legal age" means. Because someone who isn't of "legal age" cannot give consent.

What you did was try to redefine and spin something totally stupid.

It wasn't "gained via force" here. She was a consenting adult, no matter how much you wish otherwise.

Coercion is "force" under current law. Again, you're doubling down on teh stupid.

Technically, Clinton was not her boss. If we were talking about her immediate supervisor, it would be a very different story.

Here we go again with teh stupid. The President is THE BOSS in the Administrative Branch. Everyone else is an underling.

This is another lame assed attempt at redefining something and then spinning it.

When a right winger starts sounding this much like a radical feminist, you just know he doesn't believe a word of it! In any event, by all accounts, Lewinsky wasn't concerned about losing her position, and she wanted to do what she did at the time.

Yeah, that's not what her interviews say. But you go ahead and believe she consented to having sex with her ultimate boss in the Oval Office without any undue duress or coercion.

Wrong. She initiated the whole thing. I already mentioned that.

She had "a crush" on Clinton. That doesn't mean she initiated anything because lots of young girls have crushes on their heartthrob and never do anything about it.

Please get your facts straight and stop fabricating a story about something you clearly know nothing about.

Maybe you just haven't heard all the interviews. It's quite well established that that is exactly how the whole thing started.

Lol, no it isn't. Lewinsky was straightforward and unashamed of what she'd done so didn't try to spin or hide anything. Hell the FBI was on to the whole thing and had her wearing a wire.

That doesn't sound like she "initiated" anything.

Not that they told you about, anyway. I assure you, it does happen.

So does rape. That doesn't mean you can spin your shit to try and blame the victim.