Brutal insensitivity

[Marquis]

Is, I think, a good quality in a Master.

Discuss.

 

[SolidState]

Perhaps the ability to appear to be at times, but certainly insensitivity isn't of use to anyone.

 

[Marquis]

Perhaps the ability to appear to be at times, but certainly insensitivity isn't of use to anyone.

I disagree. I think actual ignorance of a woman's needs is the best way to ignore them.

 

[SolidState]

I disagree. I think actual ignorance of a woman's needs is the best way to ignore them.

Then you completely miss out on how to understand a woman better than she understands herself. Ignorance is easy.

 

[Marquis]

Again, we disagree.

I think women are inherently simple, and a minimalist attitude must be taken in analyzing them. Everything you really need to know about a woman, she will tell you in your first conversation with her. After that, it's just holding on to those fundamental truths as a barrage of lies hits you with machinegun rapidity.

 

[bridgeburner]

I disagree. I think actual ignorance of a woman's needs is the best way to ignore them.

Ah, but then you're just ignorant rather than powerfully manipulative. ;->

I suppose there might be a rush in not knowing and not caring that one doesn't know but, for myself, I'd rather know exactly what buttons to push and then choose whether or not I'm going to push them. Ignorance implies a certain lack of control, but I imagine it depends on how one wishes to play with one's toys.

 

[SolidState]

Again, we disagree.

I think women are inherently simple, and a minimalist attitude must be taken in analyzing them. Everything you really need to know about a woman, she will tell you in your first conversation with her. After that, it's just holding on to those fundamental truths as a barrage of lies hits you with machinegun rapidity.

I think you're inherently simple, based on this analysis. If that's all you can hold, than I guess you just get the simple women.

 

[Chicklet]

Personally, I wouldn't want a relationship with a brutally insensitive person. But, as current situations have proven, the particular person I find ideal has the ability to appear brutally insensitive, as if he's turned off his emotions towards me. I think he does it more as a punishment, and damned if it's not working 'cause I hate it

I don't think that "brutal insensitivity" would ever make it to the list of things I seek in a desired mate, however. So, I don't think it's a good quality for a Master to have. Maybe a 27 yo "true master" who's learned from the "best" SM porno's and has six or seven collarme.com profiles, a brand new neverbeforeused bullwhip, and a webcam... but not *my* desired mate.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Is, I think, a good quality in a Master.

Discuss.

silly rabbit

 

[WriterDom]

There are many paths to the mountaintop. But the view from the top is the same.

It is good to be the Master.

 

[superlittlegirl]

So what happened to bring you to this particular revelation?

It sounds like you're either typing tongue-in-cheek to get a heated discussion going, or perhaps you're processing some feelings around an incident (or collection of incidents) that brought you to this conclusion.

I'm not trying to psychoanalyze-- I just want the dirt. So what happened?

 

[Caitlynne]

Is, I think, a good quality in a Master.

Discuss.

I agree and disagree. It all depends.

I think that a Master should be brutally insensitive to a submissive's needs if they conflict with his own. That's his right. But, I think that insensitivity as a general rule of thumb does show a lack of control and competence in a Master.

 

[jadefirefly]

There are many paths to the mountaintop. But the view from the top is the same.

It is good to be the Master.

*giggle*

 

[Marquis]

So what happened to bring you to this particular revelation?

It sounds like you're either typing tongue-in-cheek to get a heated discussion going, or perhaps you're processing some feelings around an incident (or collection of incidents) that brought you to this conclusion.

I'm not trying to psychoanalyze-- I just want the dirt. So what happened?

Well, it appears my sub has recently broken up with me again. She says my desire for other women is intolerable, and is demoting me to friend. It occurs to me that the most tranquility I experience in my relationships is when I demand in a loud voice, and fear no reprisal. All bend to my unshakable will.

The moment I let the word relativity creep into my vocabulary, everything starts to crumble from below like a forbidden temple.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

I would think that it would only be the emotionally strong submissives who might be intetested in this type of punishment.

You were refering to punishment yes?

Is, I think, a good quality in a Master.

Discuss.

 

[alice_underneath]

Well, it appears my sub has recently broken up with me again. She says my desire for other women is intolerable, and is demoting me to friend. It occurs to me that the most tranquility I experience in my relationships is when I demand in a loud voice, and fear no reprisal. All bend to my unshakable will.

The moment I let the word relativity creep into my vocabulary, everything starts to crumble from below like a forbidden temple.

I suppose that's one explanation for what happened.

Another possibility might be that she decided to stop acting as an enabler.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=418899&page=1&pp=25


Whatever the reason for the breakup, you have my sympathy - and so does she.

Alice

 

[RJMasters]

Pokes this thread with a 10' pole.

Of course the other approach is brutal honesty upfront. This is who I am and this is what I am about kinda of thing, then if she stays, then an agreement has been reached. Not your fault if she thought that after some time in the sack with her you would change your womanly ways.

But if you missed the brutaly honest part, then shame on ya for being a brutally insensitive bastard.

 

[Recidiva]

Well, it appears my sub has recently broken up with me again. She says my desire for other women is intolerable, and is demoting me to friend. It occurs to me that the most tranquility I experience in my relationships is when I demand in a loud voice, and fear no reprisal. All bend to my unshakable will.

The moment I let the word relativity creep into my vocabulary, everything starts to crumble from below like a forbidden temple.

But if you'd kept it in your pants, say, you'd still be with her?

Huh.

 

[raven2]

Again, we disagree.

I think women are inherently simple, and a minimalist attitude must be taken in analyzing them. Everything you really need to know about a woman, she will tell you in your first conversation with her. After that, it's just holding on to those fundamental truths as a barrage of lies hits you with machinegun rapidity.

I'm not sure if you are trying to tweak people again Marquis, but if you think women are inherently simple, I would have to say that you are way out in left field. Having been married for 27 years, and having had other relationships during that time, I can assure you that simple is definitely totally opposite from what women really are.

You may feel that it is easier to treat women as simple because it is less work for you that way. But if you take more time you will get to know them better and have a better relationship overall (and your sub may not break up with you )

 

[im_a_voyeur]

Well, it appears my sub has recently broken up with me again. She says my desire for other women is intolerable, and is demoting me to friend. It occurs to me that the most tranquility I experience in my relationships is when I demand in a loud voice, and fear no reprisal. All bend to my unshakable will.

The moment I let the word relativity creep into my vocabulary, everything starts to crumble from below like a forbidden temple.

You're making it seem like it's not more complicated then that.

You know I never had a problem w/ you being sexual with other women. I had a problem with the inconsistent use of condoms.

Also, I told you I had a problem with you wanting to have deeper relationships with other women which is what you have recently stated that you desire. Like I said, I love you enough to know that it is best that I let you do your own thing for now.

 

[superlittlegirl]

Well, it appears my sub has recently broken up with me again. She says my desire for other women is intolerable, and is demoting me to friend. It occurs to me that the most tranquility I experience in my relationships is when I demand in a loud voice, and fear no reprisal. All bend to my unshakable will.

The moment I let the word relativity creep into my vocabulary, everything starts to crumble from below like a forbidden temple.

I'm sorry that happened. I know it must feel uncomfortable, and incredibly frustrating to you. (Particularly because I suspect this is not the first time this issue has come up.)

It's really, really hard to be in a relationship with someone who expects monogamy from you, if you're inherently not monogamous. When I'm interviewing a potential partner, the monogamy issue is foremost on the agenda. I tell them up front that I am absolutely not interested in a monogamous arrangement, and I give them the opportunity to bail out at the beginning. Of course, there are some people who think that true love, or a great relationship can change your mind on those issues, but you can usually get a sense for this propensity with some close questioning.

Have you read The Ethical Slut yet? I know I'm a broken record when it comes to this topic, but this book will give you so much valuable insight on how to express your need to have multiple partners, how to get your needs met once you're in a relationship, and how to successfully maintain good communication with your many partners. I fervently believe that it's possible to have multiple partners without destroying your relationship, but the partners have to be willing to talk, communicate, and ask for what they need. It's a lot of work, and it's fucking hard work, but it is so worth it.

I know that you're an exceptionally intelligent man, and I suspect that you'd be much more fulfilled and satisfied with an exceptionally intelligent woman who is able to communicate with you, rather than a simple woman with a monogamous mindset.

There's a bit more effort involved in the initial partner-seeking process, but if you know what you need, it's much easier to find it, rather than burning through many ill-suited partners to find one who best suits you.

 

[FurryFury]

Well, it appears my sub has recently broken up with me again. She says my desire for other women is intolerable, and is demoting me to friend. It occurs to me that the most tranquility I experience in my relationships is when I demand in a loud voice, and fear no reprisal. All bend to my unshakable will.

The moment I let the word relativity creep into my vocabulary, everything starts to crumble from below like a forbidden temple.

You're making it seem like it's not more complicated then that.

You know I never had a problem w/ you being sexual with other women. I had a problem with the inconsistent use of condoms.

Also, I told you I had a problem with you wanting to have deeper relationships with other women which is what you have recently stated that you desire. Like I said, I love you enough to know that it is best that I let you do your own thing for now.

I'm sorry to hear that you guys are having trouble right now. I know you both love each other.

*HUGS*

To you both.

Fury

 

[superlittlegirl]

You're making it seem like it's not more complicated then that.

You know I never had a problem w/ you being sexual with other women. I had a problem with the inconsistent use of condoms.

Also, I told you I had a problem with you wanting to have deeper relationships with other women which is what you have recently stated that you desire. Like I said, I love you enough to know that it is best that I let you do your own thing for now.

Ah, the other side of the story. Well, the other part of The Ethical Slut talks about the importance of safer-sex agreements as being crucial to the success of a poly arrangement.

im_a_voyeur-- my post was not meant to imply that you're simple-- I was just responding to Marquis' stated desire. My apologies if it seemed otherwise.

 

[bridgeburner]

It seems that the lines of communication are pretty wide open and that multiple partners isn't so much the issue as multiple partners without the use of condoms.

Multiple love interests is something else again.

I'm sorry things aren't working out, but it's a lot to ask of anyone to endanger his or her life while you get your freak on and maybe look for somebody else to fall in love with.

I say be as selfish as you want to be but don't be surprised when you get told "No."


-B

 

[im_a_voyeur]

Ah, the other side of the story. Well, the other part of The Ethical Slut talks about the importance of safer-sex agreements as being crucial to the success of a poly arrangement.

im_a_voyeur-- my post was not meant to imply that you're simple-- I was just responding to Marquis' stated desire. My apologies if it seemed otherwise.

I'm glad you did say something because I was about to take offense, lol.