Bruce Springsteen cancels show

[Hard_Rom]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/bruce-springsteen-north-carolina-1.3527722

Bruce Springsteen cancels show because of North Carolina anti-LGBTQ law

Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band cancelled their North Carolina concert because of the state's new law blocking anti-discrimination rules for the LGBT community, said guitarist Steven Van Zandt, calling it the kind of legislation that's like an "evil virus" spreading around the U.S.

Van Zandt told The Associated Press they decided not to perform Sunday in Greensboro because of the law, which requires transgender people to use bathrooms based on their biological sex and bans state lawsuits for any type of workplace discrimination.

"We always try to find middle ground, and we considered it," he said. "Should we go there and make a statement from the stage? You consider those things, and then you realize that's just playing into their hands. That's not going to hurt enough — you need to hurt them economically."

In North Carolina, religious leaders and others have defended the law, saying it protects women and children from men who use the law as a pretense to enter the wrong restroom. But more than 130 corporate executives have signed a letter demanding North Carolina's Republican governor seek the law's repeal, and many states and cities have barred nonessential taxpayer-funded travel there.

 

[Wrong Element]

That's pretty tough on those who have purchased tickets, most of whom (one assumes) agree with Springsteen on this matter.

Perhaps better to reconsider scheduling future appearances in North Carolina, rather than canceling those for which tickets have already been sold.

 

[Giggolo_Joe]

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[Hard_Rom]

That's pretty tough on those who have purchased tickets, most of whom (one assumes) agree with Springsteen on this matter.

Perhaps better to reconsider scheduling future appearances in North Carolina, rather than canceling those for which tickets have already been sold.

I'm sure they will get refunds. NC small place, short drive to a non-fascists state and see Springsteen.

 

[JackLuis]

NC lawmaker: Never mind ‘bully’ Springsteen cancelling — Justin Bieber is coming!

Yep, The Boss backs out but The Bieb is coming soon to a bigot fest nearby.

 

[Hard_Rom]

NC lawmaker: Never mind ‘bully’ Springsteen cancelling — Justin Bieber is coming!

Yep, The Boss backs out but The Bieb is coming soon to a bigot fest nearby.

That link kept crashing IE.

Is there any way some American lawyer can expedite Justin's American citizenship? Whether he wants it or not. Can he be stripped of Canadian citizenship for acts of cultural terrorism? He is more of a national embarrassment than Lanceypoo.

Please take him! We will take Cruz back, Promise!

 

[Hypoxia]

States need to learn that hate has a price. They pass these laws because red meat for reactionary voters -- benefiting legislators' re-elections. Fuck "equal protection under law". Welcome "gov't intrusion". The hypocrisy is awesome.

But these are not closed societies. The outside world can decide not to do business in locales jeopardizing general economics and social stability. So, unofficial and even official sanctions against hate-states... which often tend to be welfare states, sucking more federal revenues than they pay. Cut off federal funds to those baghead welfare queens!

 

[phrodeau]

States need to learn that hate has a price. They pass these laws because red meat for reactionary voters -- benefiting legislators' re-elections. Fuck "equal protection under law". Welcome "gov't intrusion". The hypocrisy is awesome.

But these are not closed societies. The outside world can decide not to do business in locales jeopardizing general economics and social stability. So, unofficial and even official sanctions against hate-states... which often tend to be welfare states, sucking more federal revenues than they pay. Cut off federal funds to those baghead welfare queens!

NC is not one of the big welfare states.

https://brobrubel.com/2012/07/10/the-welfare-states-chances-are-theyre-red/

 

[NOIRTRASH]

All you pervs better get ready for Trump and the Great Reckoning that's coming.

The pervs awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.

 

[Boxlicker101]

States need to learn that hate has a price. They pass these laws because red meat for reactionary voters -- benefiting legislators' re-elections. Fuck "equal protection under law". Welcome "gov't intrusion". The hypocrisy is awesome.

But these are not closed societies. The outside world can decide not to do business in locales jeopardizing general economics and social stability. So, unofficial and even official sanctions against hate-states... which often tend to be welfare states, sucking more federal revenues than they pay. Cut off federal funds to those baghead welfare queens!

How would you feel if your daughter had to use a locker room at school where boys could watch her shower and change her clothing. Some accommodation should be made for TG persons, but I think NC has the right idea in this instance.

 

[smartjuanxxx]

States need to learn that hate has a price. They pass these laws because red meat for reactionary voters -- benefiting legislators' re-elections. Fuck "equal protection under law". Welcome "gov't intrusion". The hypocrisy is awesome.

But these are not closed societies. The outside world can decide not to do business in locales jeopardizing general economics and social stability. So, unofficial and even official sanctions against hate-states... which often tend to be welfare states, sucking more federal revenues than they pay. Cut off federal funds to those baghead welfare queens!

its HATE to exclude MEN from WOMEN BATHROOM?

 

[BotanyBoy]

All you pervs better get ready for Trump and the Great Reckoning that's coming.

The pervs awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.

LOL....Trump even if he were to win would bring no Great Reckoning. Besides the guy is practically a liberal.

How would you feel if your daughter had to use a locker room at school where boys could watch her shower and change her clothing. Some accommodation should be made for TG persons,

What's feelings got to do with it?

but I think NC has the right idea in this instance.

Cool.

That doesn't absolve them or GA or MS or TX or whatever from the consequences of their actions. From the NFL to celeb shows when you make a certain laws you will piss folks off and lose money.

Which isn't normally that big of a deal except most of these red states are welfare queens and can't really afford it. Fuck, except for Texas they can't even afford to be in the 1st world if liburhulz weren't propping them up.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

its HATE to exclude MEN from WOMEN BATHROOM?

Don't go in the LIT restroom. Plenty of sick shit in there. Some of them folks think theyre farm animals. Why I recently caught Ulaven Demorte behind ROB, Up on a ladder, trying to tie ROBs tail outta the way.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Don't go in the LIT restroom. Plenty of sick shit in there. Some of them folks think theyre farm animals. Why I recently caught Ulaven Demorte behind ROB, Up on a ladder, trying to tie ROBs tail outta the way.

Fantasizing about the beastiality and homosexual sex again James? Why is it that "Conservatives" always seem to be in the closet looking for a safe space to let their freak flag fly?

 

[Hard_Rom]

How would you feel if your daughter had to use a locker room at school where boys could watch her shower and change her clothing. Some accommodation should be made for TG persons, but I think NC has the right idea in this instance.

The TG 'boys' have zero sexual interest in the theoretical daughter. The only looks she will get are of envy that she has real breasts and pussy.

The brain is a complex thing. If out of the 7 + billion folk on this world some have a genetic switch thrown in their minds that says you are female while another genetic switch thrown during embryo development says you are male, who are the rest of us to say what/who you are?

You same reckoning sends homosexuals to gay re-education camp because being gay is a voluntary decision not one driven by same sort of genetic switches in someone's mind.

As long as the 'difference' between gays /TGs and the rest of 'normal'/99.9% does no harm to others, we have no right to deny them the opportunity to engage in activities which in their human individual minds wish to.

This law is nothing less than fascist intolerance and denial of individual rights.

 

[Liar]

How would you feel if your daughter had to use a locker room at school where boys could watch her shower and change her clothing.

What boys?

If you are worried about people perving on your daughter, do you also object to lesbians using the women's locker room?

 

[Hypoxia]

How would you feel if your daughter had to use a locker room at school where boys could watch her shower and change her clothing. Some accommodation should be made for TG persons, but I think NC has the right idea in this instance.

As mentioned, M2F-TGs (ex-boys) won't be interested in her, and bi and lez girls will. Those ex-boys won't have male genitalia to wave at her; unsocialized guys on ball teams will handle that.

Remember race-segregated restrooms? Don't force pale white people to pee with darkies, right? Now you don't want to pee with folks who have your plumbing but weren't born with it. Duh. An ex-boy is not a boy. An ex-woman is not a woman. That should be simple enough.

For consistency we get finely segregated rest- and locker-rooms. Genetically male here, genetically female there -- no matter their gender orientations -- and all others elsewhere. No wait, that's not enough. Separate-but-equal facilities for 1) straight males, 2) straight females, 3) gay males, 4) gay females, and 5) all others. Maybe further separation for Xians, Mormons, Scientologists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Wiccans, and robot-worshipers.

US Constitution guarantees "equal protection under the law". Discrimination based on ethnicity, gender, and belief, is NOT equal protection. Hatred of our fellow Americans is stupid except as a divide-and-conquer tactic. Trolls pushing such hatred are pretty obvious.

 

[Boxlicker101]

As mentioned, M2F-TGs (ex-boys) won't be interested in her, and bi and lez girls will. Those ex-boys won't have male genitalia to wave at her; unsocialized guys on ball teams will handle that.

Remember race-segregated restrooms? Don't force pale white people to pee with darkies, right? Now you don't want to pee with folks who have your plumbing but weren't born with it. Duh. An ex-boy is not a boy. An ex-woman is not a woman. That should be simple enough.

For consistency we get finely segregated rest- and locker-rooms. Genetically male here, genetically female there -- no matter their gender orientations -- and all others elsewhere. No wait, that's not enough. Separate-but-equal facilities for 1) straight males, 2) straight females, 3) gay males, 4) gay females, and 5) all others. Maybe further separation for Xians, Mormons, Scientologists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Wiccans, and robot-worshipers.

US Constitution guarantees "equal protection under the law". Discrimination based on ethnicity, gender, and belief, is NOT equal protection. Hatred of our fellow Americans is stupid except as a divide-and-conquer tactic. Trolls pushing such hatred are pretty obvious.

There were no racially segregated rest rooms where I was raised. After I joined the Air Force, I did encounter Jim Crow in TX and AL where Dems controlled the governments. I thought they were wrong at the time and I haven't changed my mind.

Generally speaking, part of a gender change is taking hormones. I don't know anything specific about the NC law but, if somebody is taking such hormones, that person is a genuine TS and should be treated as a member of the new gender, including using rest rooms etc. If that person is not taking hormones, he or she is not a genuine TS and is probably a boy looking for the chance to perv on girls in the showers. This should not be allowed.

If you are curious about my attitude toward TS people, read my series of stories about Angel Jones.

 

[Hard_Rom]

There were no racially segregated rest rooms where I was raised. After I joined the Air Force, I did encounter Jim Crow in TX and AL where Dems controlled the governments. I thought they were wrong at the time and I haven't changed my mind.

Generally speaking, part of a gender change is taking hormones. I don't know anything specific about the NC law but, if somebody is taking such hormones, that person is a genuine TS and should be treated as a member of the new gender, including using rest rooms etc. If that person is not taking hormones, he or she is not a genuine TS and is probably a boy looking for the chance to perv on girls in the showers. This should not be allowed.

If you are curious about my attitude toward TS people, read my series of stories about Angel Jones.

I think you are mistaking cross-dressing with TS.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I think you are mistaking cross-dressing with TS.

No, I'm not. I certainly know the difference between the two. CD does not involve a change in sex or hormones or anything else profound.

ETA: If you are referring to Angel Jones, she is a TG or a T-girl and a real person, although the stories I wrote about her are fiction.

 

[Hard_Rom]

No, I'm not. I certainly know the difference between the two. CD does not involve a change in sex or hormones or anything else profound.

And therefore a CD may be interested in a member of the opposite sex and use their kink as a means to infiltrate their washrooms. While a TS will have no desire to have sex with the 'opposite' sex.

And by your reckoning homosexuals should be forced to use the 'opposite' sex washrooms because they might be looking at you, your son or daughter. Try get that past a court of law! Gay men should shower with straight ladies and (woo hoo) lesbians should have to shower with straight men.

Easier to tell if someone is TS than gay. You can be gay for a day to get into a women's shower room. But must be TS gender identified for a couple of years before you get hormones and surgery.

Start taking female hormones as an excuse to get into women's showers and you will probably find your desire to boink them much depleted.

Do you also feel it is okay to be gay in jail? As long as your not of receiving end.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

There were no racially segregated rest rooms where I was raised. After I joined the Air Force, I did encounter Jim Crow in TX and AL where Dems controlled the governments. I thought they were wrong at the time and I haven't changed my mind.

Generally speaking, part of a gender change is taking hormones. I don't know anything specific about the NC law but, if somebody is taking such hormones, that person is a genuine TS and should be treated as a member of the new gender, including using rest rooms etc. If that person is not taking hormones, he or she is not a genuine TS and is probably a boy looking for the chance to perv on girls in the showers. This should not be allowed.

If you are curious about my attitude toward TS people, read my series of stories about Angel Jones.

Hey Sparky, no sex is changed by hormones. There are no genuine transsexuals because cosmetic appearance changes nothing. Your basic ignorance is stunning.

 

[DooleyDarter]

The trouble with the whole situation as I see it, is not the transgender folks themselves but a law allowing anybody (male more than likely) to just be able to say "I am transgender" and walk into any woman's room or shower is rife with abuse. I think a better solution is to make places have three rest and shower rooms, Men, Woman and what the fuck ever.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The trouble with the whole situation as I see it, is not the transgender folks themselves but a law allowing anybody (male more than likely) to just be able to say "I am transgender" and walk into any woman's room or shower is rife with abuse. I think a better solution is to make places have three rest and shower rooms, Men, Woman and what the fuck ever.

But you can't just state I am transgendered. By the time laws against non-discrimination kick in to help you, you must be living the life of a transgendered person. Doctors won't touch you or prescribe hormones treatments until you have comeout and lived as a member of the 'opposite' sex for at least a year or two. You can't just put on a dress and give your self a feminine name then go waltzing into girl's locker rooms.

For transgendered and homosexuals it is not a conscious decision to be made. It is a hard-wired fact that really starts to display it's self at puberty.

There may be some folk who are extremely sexually liberal and have no problem with same-sex acts but IMO this is different than the sexual preference that manifests itself at puberty. I've known drunk girls to engage in lesbian acts, doesn't make them lesbian.

But your going to have a hard time getting me to believe a prison rapist doesn't have homosexual tendencies. For a truly straight person you hand will do as good a job as another inmates bum or mouth.

With the complexity of the human brain it is a case of a female being stuck in a man's body or vice versa. And this is a case that is different than being homosexual. Most gay guys I know have the same in built male tendencies that straight men do beyond liking other men.

That is why you will have lots of gay men having sex in public washrooms. They are doing it because they are male not gay males. Even straight males are far more likely to have sex with some girl in a public place than a woman. When it comes to sex men are far more pigs about it then women. Although that may just be a result of societies morals imposed on us. It's a fact that men who have multiple partners are called studs while women who do may get called sluts.

My brother is gay. He and his friends are not easily identifiable as gay. Not a flamer in the bunch. And they don't particularly like the 'butchier' of lesbians. Why? Because the strong female type threatens their male superiority. They are still men with the stereotypical male superiority complex.

 

[DooleyDarter]

But you can't just state I am transgendered. By the time laws against non-discrimination kick in to help you, you must be living the life of a transgendered person. Doctors won't touch you or prescribe hormones treatments until you have comeout and lived as a member of the 'opposite' sex for at least a year or two. You can't just put on a dress and give your self a feminine name then go waltzing into girl's locker rooms.

For transgendered and homosexuals it is not a conscious decision to be made. It is a hard-wired fact that really starts to display it's self at puberty.

There may be some folk who are extremely sexually liberal and have no problem with same-sex acts but IMO this is different than the sexual preference that manifests itself at puberty. I've known drunk girls to engage in lesbian acts, doesn't make them lesbian.

But your going to have a hard time getting me to believe a prison rapist doesn't have homosexual tendencies. For a truly straight person you hand will do as good a job as another inmates bum or mouth.

With the complexity of the human brain it is a case of a female being stuck in a man's body or vice versa. And this is a case that is different than being homosexual. Most gay guys I know have the same in built male tendencies that straight men do beyond liking other men.

That is why you will have lots of gay men having sex in public washrooms. They are doing it because they are male not gay males. Even straight males are far more likely to have sex with some girl in a public place than a woman. When it comes to sex men are far more pigs about it then women. Although that may just be a result of societies morals imposed on us. It's a fact that men who have multiple partners are called studs while women who do may get called sluts.

My brother is gay. He and his friends are not easily identifiable as gay. Not a flamer in the bunch. And they don't particularly like the 'butchier' of lesbians. Why? Because the strong female type threatens their male superiority. They are still men with the stereotypical male superiority complex.

So, the law provides for a pecker checker at each bathroom and shower area? You know it doesn't. This law, and the impossible enforcement of it is a joke. Why not just go with a third bathroom option and be done with it, satisfy everybody