Briton is recognised as world's first officially genderless person

[JackLuis]

It official we have man and woman and... "Genderless?"

 

[Stella_Omega]

Awesome!

 

[TxRad]

If we have Genderless, then can we also have Genderplus?

 

[Stella_Omega]

If we have Genderless, then can we also have Genderplus?

I'd apply for that one.

 

[TxRad]

I'd apply for that one.

I think there would be quite a line.

 

[rgraham666]

Does that mean he/she/it has none of the problems of the sexes or all of them? All the advantages or none of them? Can they have any fun at all?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think there would be quite a line.

What-- you too? I never knew you ID'd as both male and female, Tex.

Does that mean he/she/it has none of the problems of the sexes or all of them? All the advantages or none of them? Can they have any fun at all?

You're thinking binary, Rob, stop that at once!

Seriously, I'd say ze (genderless pronoun recently invented) will have all the problems associated with... being human. And some issues associated with one or the other sex, as well-- not all of one or only from one.

"can they have fun..." As long as the pudendal nerve ganglion is intact, yes, orgasms aplenty.

 

[TxRad]

What-- you too? I never knew you ID'd as both male and female, Tex.

The thought of playing for both teams has some appeal to everyone, whether they admit it or not. For me, I can visualize the female part and halfway understand it but there is still so much information that is only second hand. First hand would be so much better for understanding it all.

 

[TxRad]

You're thinking binary, Rob, stop that at once!

Seriously, I'd say ze (genderless pronoun recently invented) will have all the problems associated with... being human. And some issues associated with one or the other sex, as well-- not all of one or only from one.

"can they have fun..." As long as the pudendal nerve ganglion is intact, yes, orgasms aplenty.

I thought I would comment on this separately.

I started an alien (from another planet) story a few years back. I used a life cycle of both sex's in young adult hood and then switching sex's at certain periods in life. Trying to stop thinking about sex from only one side is hard to do when you are writing such as this. They also go through a period of genderless. That way they can pick which gender to associate with which people in their lives. It's rather confusing to try and do this.

Oh, and it is a take off on the X Files from the alien point of view.

 

[Liar]

You're thinking binary, Rob, stop that at once!

Actually, what I think is kinda binary, is to say gender"less" at all. As if gender is only male or female, and if it's niether, it's nothing at all.

Is there something that separates this from androgyny (as a social construct, I mean, which is all a gender-nomer in a passport is anyway)

 

[Stella_Omega]

Actually, what I think is kinda binary, is to say gender"less" at all. As if gender is only male or female, and if it's niether, it's nothing at all.

Is there something that separates this from androgyny (as a social construct, I mean, which is all a gender-nomer in a passport is anyway)

Hmm. Andro-Gyny signifies both genders blended together in one person; David Bowie, Cate Blanchett, moi...

Gender-less does signify a neither. And I get the impression that this person really does mean neither.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Actually, this person does ID as androgynous. The "no gender" was chosen to make legal things easier.

In ze's own words;

 

[3113]

ze (genderless pronoun recently invented)

How do you conjugate it? No, not physically, I mean in sentences. If Ze owns something is it Zis or Zers? If we want to visit Ze, do we visit Zim or Zer? And if there is more than one Ze, are they "Zees" and how do we distinguish that from getting "Zees" as in sleeping? Oh, and if Ze is in Canada, are they Zed?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Umm...

Ze, Ze's, them, they.

Neologisms have their best chance when they keep as minimal a footprint as possible...

 

[Liar]

Anyhow, if we want pronouns, the Spivaks has been around for at least two decades.

 

[Handley_Page]

Ze, Eir, WTF ?

God "created Man & Woman" (for the sake of sanity, let's leave it there for the present, please). To mess about when changing sex ("you were born that way; get over it") is bad enough, but to discover that you didn't like the change is simply: "Tough Luck".

But we have eejits who decide to invent new words to pander to a tiny minority of the population (Political Correctness, etc..),
who do not want to acknowledge gender. (I hate Ms, for example, but that's just me).

The human race is doomed, I tell you.

One amusing thought struck me. Caught short in a city, into which toilet would that poor soul go ?

And when it finally snuffs it, what does the Registrar put in the "sex" box? Unless they invent another box: "other".

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Androgyny has a certain appeal. Snails have more fun than anyone being both together at once with each other.

Genderless, on the other hand, seems bacterial or possibly amoebic.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ze, Eir, WTF ?

God "created Man & Woman" (for the sake of sanity, let's leave it there for the present, please). To mess about when changing sex ("you were born that way; get over it") is bad enough, but to discover that you didn't like the change is simply: "Tough Luck".

for a simplification of a complex story, thanks. For understanding the thoughts of someone other than your normal self, something that any writer might consider worth doing, not so impressive. You don't even get an 'E' for effort.

But we have eejits who decide to invent new words to pander to a tiny minority of the population (Political Correctness, etc..),
who do not want to acknowledge gender. (I hate Ms, for example, but that's just me).

I just adore people who speak from a position of unthinking privilege. And you are ever so cuddly and cute.

I LOVE Ms. It says that my marital status has nothing to do with your business with me-- and you know, it doesn't. Ever. And I love Ze for the same damn reason. You will never get into my pants, so why do you need to know what I carry between my legs?

The human race is doomed, I tell you.

One amusing thought struck me. Caught short in a city, into which toilet would that poor soul go ?

Either one. Ze has to sit to pee, so any stall will do.

And when it finally snuffs it, what does the Registrar put in the "sex" box? Unless they invent another box: "other".

They just did invent that other box, that's what the story is about.

 

[Handley_Page]

Stella, I realise that you are almost certainly my intellectual superior (you know so much more that I), but I don't understand the "unthinking privilege." It's not a privilege to be born one sex or another; it's just a question of genes. Isn't it?

I care not for what kit God gave you when you were born. As I am unlikely to even meet you, let alone bed you, it is an academic point.

I'll accept "Madam" as a mode of address, but not Ms. It is meaningless (but maybe I'm just "unreconstructed"). Perhaps we might adopt the titles like in old Italy, if we can translate them properly).

I must look up how women were addressed in the 11th century - before marriage was so common. "Good Woman"comes to mind.

And I always thought that "Norrie" was a man's name.

Enough; my thanks for your intelligent reply, but I remain the unreconstructed male, born in the Baby Boom
.
And I think you're great.

 

[TE999]

"Being bi-sexual doubles your chances of getting a date on Saturday night."

Woody Allen

 

[Handley_Page]

"Being bi-sexual doubles your chances of getting a date on Saturday night."

Woody Allen

But you might need to seek help afterwards. . . . .

 

[Stella_Omega]

Stella, I realise that you are almost certainly my intellectual superior (you know so much more that I), but I don't understand the "unthinking privilege." It's not a privilege to be born one sex or another; it's just a question of genes. Isn't it?

The privilege in this case is that you have never had to think twice about your body matching what you are inside. Not all of us are so lucky. And in fact, more of us are unlucky in that way than you might think, for a wide variety of reasons which will turn into a huge essay if I go into them. Suffice it to say that some people are born with genitals that aren't quite male- looking, or female-looking. Some women are born resistant to estrogen, some men are born resistant to androgen, and these people don't look like typical men or women.
Some people wake up, every morning of their lives, in a body that feels completely wrong to them. I grab for the morning wood-- that is not there. Every damn morning. This is not fun, let me tell you.

I care not for what kit God gave you when you were born. As I am unlikely to even meet you, let alone bed you, it is an academic point.

So as far as you are concerned, I am neither male or female. I'm someone on the internet.

I'll accept "Madam" as a mode of address, but not Ms. It is meaningless (but maybe I'm just "unreconstructed"). Perhaps we might adopt the titles like in old Italy, if we can translate them properly).

I must look up how women were addressed in the 11th century - before marriage was so common. "Good Woman"comes to mind.

I'll accept "madam" (which is sometimes used by gay men to each other, BTW), and also; mister, master, mistress, daddy-- kid on occasion...

Funny thing; the common form of address back in the day, was Mrs. At that time, it meant a free woman-- it didn't imply a marriage state.

And I always thought that "Norrie" was a man's name.

So?

Enough; my thanks for your intelligent reply, but I remain the unreconstructed male, born in the Baby Boom
.
And I think you're great.

I'm a baby boomer too, that's no excuse for intellectual stagnation. but you're awfully charming.

 

[popcorn2721]

It official we have man and woman and... "Genderless?"

The health care and insurance companies here in the states are shitting there pants right now.

 

[3113]

I'll accept "Madam" as a mode of address, but not Ms. It is meaningless

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Shame on you for not doing your research. From Wiki:

"Ms.", along with "Miss" and "Mrs.", began to be used as early as the 17th century as titles derived from the then formal "Mistress", which, like Mister, did not originally bear reference to marital status. "Ms." however, fell into disuse in favor of the other two titles

Bold mine there. So. The term should not be viewed as a made-up title for modern correctness. It is old and established, a term that makes the same amount of sense as "Mr." for "Mister." And it was resurrected only because the other two (Miss & Mrs) had became discriminatory (i.e., they discriminate in designating a woman's marital status where as "Mr." does not).

If you don't care for it, then that's fine, but it's imprecise to call it meaningless.

 

[mynameisben]

I think the term MSILF should also be introduced, for hot and horny babes who prefer to maintain their marital status undisclosed.