Britain To Say Final Goodbye To Freedom...

[Lost Cause]

Well, it's the last of your individuality to come and go without having to answer to anyone about it. Your adoring government will give you the final ear tag in the stock yard, completing your transition into a herd society. With all the finger pointing at US policies, you embrace this abomination to humanity. The rest of the commonwealth will soon follow.

Home Secretary David Blunkett will today outline his latest thoughts on introducing a compulsory national identity card.

Mr Blunkett has said he is in favour of the new cards, which could include a microchip carrying a host of information about each holder.

The cards could even hold images of fingerprints or the unique patterns of the iris of the eye.

The so-called "entitlement cards" would be required to use public services such as the NHS, schools and social security.

Ministers believe the scheme would cost billions to set up but would help deter illegal immigrants from coming to the UK and help tackle identity fraud, which costs the UK £1.3bn a year.

The Home Office has said that two out of three people questioned about the plans had been in favour of the compulsory cards.

*Can anyone say, "mark of the beast?"

 

[mig]

Can't happen soon enough.

 

[Lost Cause]

Is that a + or - enthusiasm for the idea. I'm waiting for it to be introduced here any day for our "safety." Goebbels would be proud.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Didn't Heinlein say something about any culture that becomes big enough to require ID at all times?

 

[p_p_man]

There's no real problem...

with having ID Cards. We have to produce proof of identification on an increasing number of occasions, and I get fed up with having to take my passport with me when I have to prove who I am.

The danger with the 'Smart Cards' is, however, that they may be carrying too much information that is too personal like bank account details, credit rating etc.

The authorities say they will be strictly controlled and we do have the Data Protection Act here which is meant to protect the public from the misuse of information but we've all heard that before.

Overall I've got no problems with ID cards. But I would prefer it if mine was the cardboard type with my photograph on it, name, address and date of birth (perhaps my National Insurance No.) and nothing else...

ppman

 

[Don K Dyck]

Heinlein May be Right . . .

Sadly I agree, LC . . . in Oz we have developed the technology to provide permanent individual ID microchip ear-implants for cattle allowing identification of the individual/carcass thoughout the growing and processing chain . . . the implanting technology works equally well on human ears, or flabby skin . . . and you can read the chip by passing under a scanner . . . no need to touch the beast . . .

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Heinlein May be Right . . .

Sadly I agree, LC . . . in Oz we have developed the technology to provide permanent individual ID microchip ear-implants for cattle allowing identification of the individual/carcass thoughout the growing and processing chain . . . the implanting technology works equally well on human ears, or flabby skin . . . and you can read the chip by passing under a scanner . . . no need to touch the beast . . .

Hi Don,

a far as I know most American guys are circumsized... no wait -what do you mean with flabby skin ?

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Heinlein May be Right . . .

Hi Don,

a far as I know most American guys are circumsized... no wait -what do you mean with flabby skin ?

HI Rex . . . really enjoyed your post about Americans . . .

The chip implant is used on cattle, sheep, cats and dogs. The very small microchip is "injected" into the ear under the skin, (between the gristle and the skin I guess) . . . provides a permanent marker which can be read like a stock number in a supermarket . . . all dogs and cats in my State are now required to be chipped . . . could just as easily do it to children, adults, even Texans . . .

 

[Guest]

 

[Rex1960]

Yeah, just like we could easily tattoo ID numbers on people's foreheads.

But we don't.

"WE" had that already... ok - "WE" used underarms...

 

[busybody..]

Would be so much easier

just to eXXXpel the undesireables........

Yeah yeah, Im a racist and a bigot.....

and an 80 page booklet can be produced as to reasons why a cuntry cant do the eXXXpeling.......why it would be the end of freedom etc., blah blah blah......

But a TWO WORD answer should shut up the masses.....NATIONAL SECURITY!

This is WAR....the enemy is in our midst......they openly tell us what they will do to us.....and we NOTHING about it.....

Take back our countries (eXXXcept France, Fuck France) now.....before its too late!

 

[Don K Dyck]

Nazi Times . . .

"WE" had that already... ok - "WE" used underarms...

Rex, my upstairs neighbours when I was a kid were Austrians who had escaped the Nazis . . . he was a linguist with his number tattooed on his forearm, who spoke about 30 languages fluently, and she was a bit crazy . . . they used to walk down the street about 30 metres apart . . . because in Nazi Germany, if one was taken by the SS then the other escaped . . . when food got short in Germany they ate grass . . . which caused all her hair to fall out . . .

Looks like America has some "good" things to look forward to under Dubyah Shrub and the Bush Family Dynasty . . .

 

[Guest]

Re: Nazi Times . . .

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Re: Nazi Times . . .

Don, I sincerely hope you're not comparing modern-day American society to the atrocities perpetrated by Hitler's regime in Nazi Germany.

In my opinion, to do so is absolutely unforgiveable.

That is all.

DON doesn't need my help here,
but in general I'd like to say that some things on the current political schedule (in the US and in the entire western society) are misguided.
I for one won't compare GWB to the "Führer", GOP to the NSDAP or the USAmerican government to the "Third Reich" Nazi Germany but this orwellian scenario and all its side effects for the sake of a race/religion/nation/society is pretty well-known as Nazism/Stalinism.

"We" had the Reichstagsbrand and Kristallnacht to blame the Jews and then there was 9/11 to blame the Muslims.

"We" had the yellow stars to mark the Jews and now you're going to register certain heritages in the US.

And for the sake of this thread... this is what the starter of this thread, LC, wanted to point out I guess.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Nazi Times . . .

Don, I sincerely hope you're not comparing modern-day American society to the atrocities perpetrated by Hitler's regime in Nazi Germany.

In my opinion, to do so is absolutely reprehensible. That is all.

Hi Foxy . . . history has a funny way of spiralling back upon itself. Check out the link to another Alistair Cooke article . . . I think he puts it much better than I can.

THE MARSHALL PLAN

 

[Lost Cause]

We have those I.D.'s here for animals....

And they're marketing a kids version for parent's that fear kidnapping. You feel like you want to yell at everybody about how crazy this is, but then you realize you'd look like those crazies on the street corners yelling at nobody, that you laugh at. How come the future sometimes looks like a tapered tunnel with no light at the end?

 

[Rex1960]

Re: We have those I.D.'s here for animals....

How come the future sometimes looks like a tapered tunnel with no light at the end?

and if there was light... what if that light at the end of the tunnel was the Amtrak ?

 

[Lost Cause]

With my luck...

The light at the end of the tunnel would be the laser sights from a SWAT team's MP-5's! Hande Hoch!

 

[android1966]

I hate the idea of having to carry an ID card. At the moment at least you have to carry ID more in the states than in the UK. When I visited my sisters over in the US I remember laughing when a petrol station attendent asked me for ID when I asked for a pack of cigarettes. "I mean come on pal I'm 36 for christs sake!"

Last year over here in the UK I was asked for ID on only one occasion. When I went to pick up some pre-booked tickets to watch the indy car race, apparently the American organisers were unaware that Brits drive round without any ID whatsoever and had issued instructions that the tickets were only to be handed out on production of ID. Unfortunately they neglected to tell people ordering tickets that, so they ended up with a huge queue of people bemusedly shaking their heads. After realising that if they stuck to their guns they'd have no-one watching the race they gave up and handed out the tickets.

 

[zantac666]

Her in washington st. some police ask for your ssi number they say it helps them make sure it's you quicker.

In nevada they put it on your driver license mixed up or as it is on your ssi card.

When they ask for my number i refuse to give it to them i say you have my driver license and that is enough.

 

[bluespoke]

Paranoia is a wonderful thing!

 

[Bluesboy2]

Well, it's the last of your individuality to come and go without having to answer to anyone about it. Your adoring government will give you the final ear tag in the stock yard, completing your transition into a herd society. With all the finger pointing at US policies, you embrace this abomination to humanity. The rest of the commonwealth will soon follow.

Home Secretary David Blunkett will today outline his latest thoughts on introducing a compulsory national identity card.

Mr Blunkett has said he is in favour of the new cards, which could include a microchip carrying a host of information about each holder.

The cards could even hold images of fingerprints or the unique patterns of the iris of the eye.

The so-called "entitlement cards" would be required to use public services such as the NHS, schools and social security.

Ministers believe the scheme would cost billions to set up but would help deter illegal immigrants from coming to the UK and help tackle identity fraud, which costs the UK £1.3bn a year.

The Home Office has said that two out of three people questioned about the plans had been in favour of the compulsory cards.

*Can anyone say, "mark of the beast?"

This card thing is a bad idea. It will cost millions replacing lost cards. Bar codes are far more efficient.

 

[Imi]

Re: Re: Nazi Times . . .

Don, I sincerely hope you're not comparing modern-day American society to the atrocities perpetrated by Hitler's regime in Nazi Germany.

In my opinion, to do so is absolutely reprehensible.

That is all.

See, I think people need to raise these questions about government. It's our duty as citizens to contemplate and see patterns. Government is not a thing. It's people and people are fallible and people have all kinds of individual agendas. It takes courage to speak up and question. People don't like to be questioned, more so when it appears that they might not get what they want. All the more reason to do so.

I seem to recall in a political philosophy class I had that there was a real quandry when it came to deciding how to deal with criminals. Either decide to ensure the freedom of all law abiding individuals, in which case it was impossible to jail all those who were not. OR endeavor to jail all those who were not and imprison the innocent. Which do you do? And what happens when you are the innocent that gets caught?

I find that I am more willing to question these days because I have first hand experience of the fallibility of those 'making' the laws. In the past year, I've tracked down three instances where either the rules were implementeded without proper consideration by the authorized rule making body, or the rule that was authorized wasn't implement and no one seemed to know where what was implemented came from.

So in my mind, the best way to avoid becoming LIKE Nazi Germany is to question seriously and honesty what are similarities. If we don't remember history, we are doomed to repeat it.

 

[miles]

Why do ID cards remind me of being asked for your "papers?"

 

[Byron In Exile]

Why do ID cards remind me of being asked for your "papers?"

Um...

Because it's the same thing?

Just guessing here... out on a limb as usual...