Britain Breaks With Us On Iran.

krastner

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Oh poo poo. Here is the little wanna be king marching along and looking back and seeing that his followers are deserting him.. It would be so funny to see him at the gates of Iran , puffing himself up and then finding out that he is alone.. Supposedly Blair is expected to resign soon. Hopefully. However in bush's case, it would be good if he and Cheney remained in office. The only thing would be to have a Democrat majority so that his last two years in office will be nothing but a series of him having to defend his policies and cabinet. Two days before election he and killer Dick could be impeached. Let them leave office in disgrace. Now here is some cut and paste for you children!



Britain breaks with the US over Iran

By Patrick Seale

DUBAI: Britain has told the United States that it will not take part in any armed action against Iran’s nuclear sites, according to diplomatic sources in London. Already facing huge public criticism for his participation in the Iraq war, Prime Minister Tony Blair is seeking to distance himself from America’s belligerent rhetoric towards Iran.

Blair knows he would probably not survive the political storm if Britain joined in an attack on Iran. The concern in Whitehall, however, is that the Bush administration, egged on by Israel and its powerful friends in the United States, risks developing an unstoppable momentum towards war a war in which Britain clearly wants no part.

There is a real fear that if Iran refuses to yield to pressure either by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) or by the UN Security Council to which Iran was formally referred on March 8 then the US would be left with no other option than to strike. The US may indeed have boxed itself into a corner by its threats, which Iran has scornfully rejected.

The view in Whitehall is that if America attacks Iran, it will have to do so alone or with Israel. In private discussions, British officials have made clear that any sort of military campaign against Iran would be "madness".

Despite its close alliance with the US, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has departed publicly from aggressive statements by senior US officials. He has ruled out military action by Britain against Iran as "inconceivable".

Last week, Britain announced it was pulling 800 men out of Iraq one tenth of its force there. This is seen as a signal that Britain is seeking to limit its involvement in America’s wars, rather than take on additional commitments.

Carefully monitoring opinion in Washington, British officials have noted with alarm that the advocates of confrontation with Iran, both inside and outside the administration, have triumphed over the few brave souls who dared argue in favour of dialogue and engagement.

Analysts in London are now convinced that Washington’s real aim is "regime change" in Tehran, an ambition which goes far beyond merely delaying or halting Iran’s nuclear programme.

The Washington Post reported this week that Iran had moved to the top of America’s national security agenda. Quite apart from the large teams devoted to the Iran problem in the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies, 10 people are now working full time on the Iran desk at the State Department, and an American outpost of Tehran-watchers has been established in the Gulf.

Earlier this month US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice declared: "We may face no greater challenge from a single country than from Iran whose policies are directed at developing a Middle East that would be 180 degrees different from the Middle East that we would like to see develop." In a bid to undermine the mullahs, she is planning to spend $85 million expanding American radio and TV broadcasts to Iran and promote internal opposition.

In a widely reported speech on March 7 to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the main pro-Israeli lobby, Vice-President Dick Cheney declared: "The United States is keeping all options on the table in addressing the irresponsible conduct of the [Iranian] regime? We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon."

On the same day, General Moshe Ya’alon, a former Israeli chief of staff, told a Washington audience that Israel could launch an attack on Iran in several different ways, not just from the air. This was seen as a reference to Israel’s Dolphin class submarines, armed with American Harpoon nuclear missiles, which are thought to be targeted at Iran.

As with the invasion of Iraq, the campaign against Iran seems to be driven by neocons and other pro-Israeli activists. Richard Perle one of the most eager advocates of the Iraq war has been beating the drums of war against Iran, as has the pro-Israeli Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Even Ze’ev Schiff, a usually sober Israeli defence analyst, wrote last week in Haaretz that intelligence services in the West were convinced that Iran was covertly developing nuclear weapons. "There is a secondary, smaller covert channel that is making steady progress towards creating a nuclear weapon," he claimed.

The Israeli daily Haaretz reported on March 10 that "in recent months, IDF officers have visited Washington to offer their support for a military strike should the diplomatic channels fail to bring Iran to heel".

American war fever against Iran seem largely to do with Israel. It includes Iran’s support for anti-Israeli militant groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas, as well as Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s remarks about "wiping Israel off the map", which most independent observers dismiss as an angry response to Israel’s brutal oppression of the Palestinians and not in any sense a realistic threat.

President George W. Bush and his Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld have accused Iran of smuggling sophisticated road-side bombs and military personnel into Iraq, but General Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, admitted this week that the US had no proof of such activity.

In claiming that Iran is developing nuclear weapons the US seems in danger of repeating the mistake it made in Iraq. The evidence against Iran is as flimsy and as unproven as was the charge that Iraq’s WMD posed an "imminent threat" to America and the world.

There is no sign, however, that Washington is ready to heed the advice of IAEA chief Mohammad Al Baradei, who urged the US to end the "war of words" with Tehran and "engage in a dialogue".

Russia, too, is anxious to avert the danger of war not least to protect its substantial interests in Iran.

Russia is supplying Iran with an advanced air defence system and has almost finished building Iran’s first nuclear power station at Bushehr on the Arabian Gulf at a reported cost of $800 million. Moscow is keen to win more nuclear power contracts in Iran where Energy Minister Parviz Fattah this week announced plans to start building a second nuclear power station within six months.

Russia’s Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov, described Iran’s referral to the Security Council as "too hasty".

"This move is detrimental," he said on Russian state TV. "Not one real problem can be decided with such a move? We don’t want to be the ones to remind [everyone] who was right and who was not in Iraq, although the answer is obvious."

A Russian compromise proposal to produce nuclear fuel for Iranian power stations in Russia, while allowing Iran to enrich a small amount of uranium on its own soil, was shot down by the US. "Enrichment and reprocessing on Iranian soil is not acceptable," US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said.

In confronting Iran, the US may not have fully weighed the possible consequences: the extreme danger to US forces in Iraq; soaring oil prices; and encouragement for the world-wide jihadi movement which is bound to result in terror attacks against US and Israeli interests. It looks as if the US has no coherent policy towards Iran only bluster.

Iran has an "inalienable right" under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to acquire atomic knowledge for peaceful purposes. It has the ability to hit back hard against any aggressor. And, even were it to acquire nuclear weapons a remote possibility several years in the future it could surely be contained and deterred by the immensely greater nuclear arsenals of the US and Israel.

The inescapable conclusion would seem to be that the US should start direct talks with Iran as soon as possible. It may be the only way to defuse the threat of war, to provide the US with an exit strategy from Iraq and to build bridges to an inflamed Muslim public opinion.

(Patrick Seale is a commentator and author of several books on Middle East affairs)
 
krastner said:
Blair knows he would probably not survive the political storm if Britain joined in an attack on Iran. The concern in Whitehall, however, is that the Bush administration, egged on by Israel and its powerful friends in the United States, risks developing an unstoppable momentum towards war a war in which Britain clearly wants no part.
This could be it for Bush as well. The final nail in the coffin for him and his league of hawks. I only see an "unstoppable momentum" coming toward the final end of the Bush(s) dynasty.


:cool:
 
Raimondin said:
This could be it for Bush as well. The final nail in the coffin for him and his league of hawks. I only see an "unstoppable momentum" coming toward the final end of the Bush(s) dynasty.


:cool:
I had always hoped that bush's end would come at the end of a rope like horse theives of the old west.
 
krastner said:
I had always hoped that bush's end would come at the end of a rope like horse theives of the old west.

Let's make that a hemp rope please.
 
Blair might be an arsehole, but he's a good politician. No way would the British public stand for another Mid East stroke Bush's dick war.
 
krastner said:
I had always hoped that bush's end would come at the end of a rope like horse theives of the old west.

Cheney and Wolfowitz are probably more responsible for orchestrating the horrors of the Bush Administration. Lets hang them first because they dont have the patriotic "Freedom" of a President to be a total ass and get away with it.

I suspect the creeping investigations of the Plame affair will eventually nail Cheney anyway, perhaps one of his drunken friends can shoot him in the face for us.
 
JenStar said:
Lets just nuke the whole Middle East, yep thats a good plan.

Yep, cut off your oil supplies just to prove how deranged your manufactured hatred can be.

Is this line of crirical thinking a result of failing US education standards, or did your Momma born you stoopid.
 
JenStar said:
Oh Shoosh- Ya big baby.

there will never be peace over there, THEY are deranged.
Wipe them out...

Yeah, I know, not gonna happen.

I am still on Bush's side though.

Considering a large proportion of the US is christian.. I think you'll be hard pressed to get backing for the destruction of, say, Bethlehem.. amoungst other sites associated with christianity and other religions. And I think people would be miffed at the nuking of Qatar.. a country that has never known conflict since its independence in 1971..

..amoungst, again, other examples such as Saudi Arabia..

..the muslims do spit alot, though..
 
JenStar said:
Again, I realize it will never happen and is an irrational statement.
Lets not all be so literal.

I am just not against the war.

Oh and they pray alot too
Their fucked up socity makes me thankful to be a woman born in the US and not there.

I just wanted to demonstrate how much I detest the spitting with all the reasons not to exterminate, like..

..not much more fucked up than Japan's.. no-one has a problem with Japan.. well.. apart from China and Korea, of course.. who would like to rip out their eyes and replace them with their balls, but apart from them.
 
JenStar said:
Ok, safe to say that I take for granted many of the freedoms I have here as a woman and human being.
nuff said:rose:

I don't think many men in the western world would be particularly keen on another wife, either, the horror and whatnot..

..how do they have enough wives to go around for everyone, though?
 
JenStar said:
I am ok with the multiple wives though, so much less work for me:D

Less sex, too.. Mohammad said to shag them all equally, there is only so much stamina..

..no, really, he did..
 
Don't you jackasses ever get tired and depressed doom-saying Bush all the time?

I mean six years and and he keeps spanking your ass... it's embarrassing!

i suppose everyone has their little quarks.
 
fgarvb1 said:
i suppose everyone has their little quarks.

I know it's an innocent typo, but I can't resist pointing out that everything in the universe has its little quarks....
 
SeanH said:
Blair might be an arsehole, but he's a good politician.


the bastard has set the working class movement back generations with his corrupt dealings. he has created a a tory class for decades to follow.

No offence, but how is that good politics from someone (bliar) profesing to be of Labour roots?
 
hobbit. said:
the bastard has set the working class movement back generations with his corrupt dealings. he has created a a tory class for decades to follow.

No offence, but how is that good politics from someone (bliar) profesing to be of Labour roots?
I didn't say he wasn't a traitorous cunt, he is good at the manipulation and devious bastardness that makes a good pol.
 
JenStar said:
Again, I realize it will never happen and is an irrational statement.

No . . . it won't happen . . . the AmeriKKKans want the oil reserves of about 112 billiob barrels . . . more than is available in the NW Wilderness Area . . .

JenStar said:
Oh and they pray alot too

Uhmmm . . . Shrubya is reported as holding prayer meetings every morning . . . it gives him a chance to perve on Condi Rice . . . ;)

JenStar said:
Their fucked up society makes me thankful to be a woman born in the US and not there.

Uhmmm . . . perhaps you need to read up on your own American history . . . women in Iran may have reason to believe that AmeriKKa treats women no better than slaves . . . ;)
 
krastner said:
I had always hoped that bush's end would come at the end of a rope like horse theives of the old west.

The sooner Australia is out of Iraq the better.

The AmeriKKKans are attempting to steal the Iraq wheat market traditionally supplied by Oz wheat farmers and break our single wheat export desk policy for the benefit of the Big Six AmeriKKKan wheat traders.

This betrayal coming after the neglect of our contractors in the re-building programmes is inexcusable.

Bring home the aussie troops from Iraq and Afghanistan NOW!! :)
 
gypsywitch said:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH...

NO!
I know and I hate like hell to say it. One thing that the country needs now is to get rid of the Republicans. Hate to say that. Well to be honest we need rid of the republicans and the dems both and need an independant. But fat chance. If we get rid of bush and cheney that's exactly what they want. There is some republican policy maker right now trying to figure out when Cheney can resign due to health..That will place an incumbent in office for the next election. An incumbant stands a better chance for re election and the reps want to hold the office at all cost.
 
JenStar said:
Again, I realize it will never happen and is an irrational statement.
Lets not all be so literal.

I am just not against the war.

Oh and they pray alot too
Their fucked up socity makes me thankful to be a woman born in the US and not there.

as a woman born THERE I'd like to say that you are a moron and your blind hatred makes me embarrassed to say that you and I may both be American. The huge difference though is that I CHOSE to come to this country and will work hard not to let ignorant fucks like you and BUSH ruin this nation. sit down and shut the fuck up.

lets nuke your city bitch. how's that for blind hatred.

Iran has thousands of years worth of history and culture and only in the last 60 years has it gone down through the shitter - mainly due to american foreign policy being played out in the 50 and 60s. learn your history then speak.

fuckin stupid mother fuckers.
 
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