Britain at the back of the queue

[DeYaKen]

It was very nice of Mr Obama to fly all that way to wish queenie Happy 90th Birthday.

It was not so nice of him to tell us that we owed it to the American war dead to give up our freedom and continue to be ruled by an undemocratic, European Union.

He issued a not very veiled threat by telling us that if we leave the EU Britain will go to the back of the queue for free trade deals.

Apart from resenting his obvious interference in our internal politics, should we be upset?

I have yet to see a trade deal with the US that was not biased in favour of the US. Pulling out of the EU would mean that we were not party to the TTIP deal, which involved giving up our sovereignty to be controlled by secret courts run by big business with vested interests.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

If pulling out of the EU means we go to the back of the queue for that then I'm for coming out Mr Obama

 

[suckonsimon]

I'm in total agreement with you about the perils of TTIP and I want to be out of that queue altogether.

But I am content that the President of one of our closest ally nations spells out for us his take on this big choice. An outsider, objective opinion is always worth hearing I would say, whether we take the view onboard or reject it. He's not dictating. He's contributing a distinctive angle on the debate and the more of those we get, the wiser will be our choice.

That's as I see it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think you guys should pull out of the Eu and give all of us the finger....you'll be better off for it.

 

[DeYaKen]

I think you guys should pull out of the Eu and give all of us the finger....you'll be better off for it.

Anyone who has lived as long as I have has seen this all before. When Mr Obama says it's best for Britain that we stay in the EU. What he means is that it's better for the USA if we stay in.

We are their English speaking bridgehead into Europe. US companies with branches in Britain have open access to Europe via the UK. Having to deal directly with the French or Germans is something they would rather leave to someone else.

When it comes to outsiders giving us advice, we have to remember who they represent. They represent the people who pay their salaries so the advice they give is to tell us what is in their own best interest, not what is in our best interest.

 

[Hypoxia]

Sure, UK should Brexit. Then ya'll will go broke and beg for annexation by USA, as the 51st state (Britain), or maybe the 51st (England) + 52nd (Scotland) + 52rd (Wales) -- after you give up N.I. to Ireland where it belongs. The Channel Islands can be a commonwealth like Puerto Rico, ripe for many financial games. Hilarity will ensue, especially after USA annexes Canada. Now USA need merely cede Florida to Cuba where it belongs...

[/me takes another slug of tequila and draws more lines on maps]

 

[Rachel_X]

An American interfering in the politics of another nation?
Surely not.

 

[Hypoxia]

An American interfering in the politics of another nation?
Surely not.

Tit for tat.

[/me looks at Boris Johnson]

 

[BotanyBoy]

Anyone who has lived as long as I have has seen this all before. When Mr Obama says it's best for Britain that we stay in the EU. What he means is that it's better for the USA if we stay in.

When it comes to outsiders giving us advice, we have to remember who they represent. They represent the people who pay their salaries so the advice they give is to tell us what is in their own best interest, not what is in our best interest.

Yea so?

We are their English speaking bridgehead into Europe.

LMFAO! Look I know you think America is a 3rd world hole and England's shit never has and never will stink but we have plenty of competent well educated German/French/Spanish/EVERYTHING speaking professionals here.

If the UK VANISHED right now it wouldn't phase us all that much, there would just be a lot less pompous fart sniffing arrogant fuckin' shits running around looking down their nose at America....good riddance I say.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

The bottom line is that President Obama will speak in favor of America's interests.
I would expect anyone representing the UK to speak in favor of their interests.


Today

"President Barack Obama found the time to squeeze in a couple rounds of golf with Prime Minister David Cameron during his latest visit to the UK."

No private talks and understandings, today. The press was there.

President Obama's reaction to critical remarks from Brexit supporters


His comments provoked outrage among Brexit campaigners on Friday when he suggested that Britain would “go to the back of the queue” when it came to trade negotiations if it left the economic bloc.

Mr Obama said: “My understanding is that some of the folks on the other side have been ascribing to the United States certain actions we’ll take if the UK does leave the EU."

"They say for example, we’ll just cut our own trade deals with the United States."

"They’re voicing opinion about what the United States are going to do. I figured you might want to hear it from the President of the United States."

“I think it’s fair to say that maybe at some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement – it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is on is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done. "

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-of-the-us-presidents-three-day-a6997956.html


Townhall in UK

23 April 2016

Simple truth, it s a long road, that two nations have traveled together.


"We go back a pretty long way, the UK and the US. We’ve had our quarrels: There was that little tea incident. The British burned my house down. But we made up, ultimately we made up and ended up spilling blood together on the battlefield side by side, against fascism, against tyranny, for freedom. For democracy. From the ashes of war we led the charge to create the institutions and initiatives that sustain a prosperous peace. Nato, the UN, the Marshall Plan, the EU – the joint efforts and sacrifices of previous generations of Americans and Brits are part of why we have known decades of relative peace and prosperity in Europe: and that in turn has helped spread peace and prosperity around the world."

- President Obama

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ng-time-london

gsgs comment-

What is the subtext, of the message ?

/end gsgs comment

"The first time I came to London, in April 2009, the world economy was in freefall, in part because of the reckless behaviour of the folks on Wall Street, but in part because of reckless behaviour of a lot of financial institutions around the globe. For us to be able to mobilise the world community, to take rapid action, to stabilise the financial markets and then in the United States to pass Wall Street reforms that make it much less likely that a crisis like that could happen again. I’m proud of that."

gsgs comment-

The USA cannot protect the world from the greed of international corporations
The reaction of the American watchdogs was a miserable, weak, cowardly denial.
The world is suffering, more than it should be.
/end gsgs comment


President Obama offers opinions and gives information.

(President Obama is not making a threat. Decisions have consequences.)


Outlining the choice facing the UK, the president said: "If, right now, I have got access to a massive market where I sell 44 per cent of my exports and now I'm thinking about leaving the organisation that gives me access to that market and that is responsible for millions of jobs in my country and responsible for an enormous amount of commerce and upon which a lot of businesses depend - that's not something I would probably do."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6996956.html

What is TTIP? And six reasons why the answer should scare you

Have you heard about TTIP? If your answer is no, don’t get too worried; you’re not meant to have

gsgs comment-

The citizens of the UK have good reasons for disliking the TTIP.
I have been reading about the EU.
What it has done, how it has been operating.

http://www.independent.co.uk/

President Obama's speech

He gives an argument in favor of membership in the EU

"But also I understand that there’s a spirited campaign under way here. My country is going through much the same. And ultimately, the question of whether or not the UK remains a part of the EU is a matter for British voters to decide for yourselves."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-britain-even-gr/?cid=sf24793054&sf24793054=1
7
An opinion voiced-

So my message to those strange bedfellows, Boris and Nigel, Grayling and Gove? In the words of Shakespeare, this is not a foregone conclusion and I don’t want to lay it on with a trowel, but if we leave the EU we will be in a pickle and all your talk of freedom will be cold comfort to those who lose their jobs when companies leave the UK, bag and baggage.

I say this more in sorrow than in anger, but your pomp and circumstance offers a fool’s paradise, because all that glisters is not gold and that way madness lies. You think the fault is in those European stars, but it is in ourselves. More fool you. Nobody wants us to leave the EU more than Putin. So, Brexit, pursued by a bear.

Chris Bryant

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ve-eu-count-william-shakespeare-remain-brexit

 

[phrodeau]

Here in America we have had states trying to leave their union. Caused a war and everything.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Rome faltered and fell. Britain was left with the aftereffects of Roman rule.
1619, Captives from Africa are sold
Spain established a colony in Angola.
Spain fed the sickness.
Portuguese ship had slaves received in Angola.
British pirates seized the ship.
1619 the captives arrived in Jamestown
Why was a ship under Britain's control, flying the Dutch flag ?
Some of the Virginia captives won their freedom,
because before they were abducted,
they were members of a community
that was under Portugal's control.
They were baptized Christians, and could read.
400 plus years, and America is still left with the aftereffects of English rule.

Alliances are tricky...

Thank you for giving this post a quote.
I go through the trouble of arguing with my spell check.
It does not like my choice of words.
I erase and repost the words.
I return to see that it has decided to post its choices, not mine.
arrgggghhhh

It did it, again.

 

[DeYaKen]

An American interfering in the politics of another nation?
Surely not.

and they say you guys don't get Irony.

 

[DeYaKen]

Yea so?



LMFAO! Look I know you think America is a 3rd world hole and England's shit never has and never will stink but we have plenty of competent well educated German/French/Spanish/EVERYTHING speaking professionals here.

Are you so insecure that you see insults in everything? My comment was simply mentioning the fact that we all prefer to deal in something as close to our native language as possible. However, I do have to ask why it is that a country so linguistically talented. requires subtitles on some English films and requires books written in English to be translated into American prior to publication.

No, I don't see Americans as being stupid. But when it comes to language I see them as being just as lazy as we are. We refuse to learn other languages because the world should speak English.

If the UK VANISHED right now it wouldn't phase us all that much, there would just be a lot less pompous fart sniffing arrogant fuckin' shits running around looking down their nose at America....good riddance I say.

Oh, I'm sure you are right. It would be an inconvenience that you, or rather your companies would rather not have, but nothing more than that. However, we must be of some use to you. Why else would we have had 5 ex-secretaries of state, one president and one presidential hopeful, telling us to stay in the EU.

We Brits have historical dislike of being told what to do, so these efforts to keep us in may well have the opposite effect.

 

[DeYaKen]

Rome faltered and fell. Britain was left with the after affects of Roman rule.
1619, Captives from Africa are sold
Spain established a colony in Angola.
Spain fed the sickness.
Portuguese ship had slaves received in Angola.
British pirates seized the ship.
1619 the captives arrived in Jamestown
Why was a ship under Britain's control, flying the Dutch flag ?
Some of the Virginia captives won their freedom,
because before they were abducted,
they were members of a community
that was under Portugal's control.
They were baptized Christians, and could read.
400 plus years, and America is still left with the after affects of English rule.

Alliances are tricky...

You forgot to mention that US political system was devised here in the UK.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Are you so insecure that you see insults in everything? My comment was simply mentioning the fact that we all prefer to deal in something as close to our native language as possible. However, I do have to ask why it is that a country so linguistically talented. requires subtitles on some English films and requires books written in English to be translated into American prior to publication.

It's not my insecurity as much as it is the culmination of your comments about America that are usually just dripping in smugness and condescension.

Because once you take all the proper English out, gangbang every O with a bunch of silent U's and toss slang into it you're practically speaking Swahili.

Oh, I'm sure you are right. It would be an inconvenience that you, or rather your companies would rather not have, but nothing more than that. However, we must be of some use to you. Why else would we have had 5 ex-secretaries of state, one president and one presidential hopeful, telling us to stay in the EU.

We Brits have historical dislike of being told what to do, so these efforts to keep us in may well have the opposite effect.

Because the EU is at large, and without you and Germany there is no real EU, is important to the US, or at least Obama thinks so. Maybe it's just easier to deal with a union than it a bunch of countries but I'm willing to bet that it's really better because it's easier to scam the people that way.

That upper layer of government, people can't keep track of all that shit. Just stratify until that upper cream at the top can pretty much get away with whatever they want.

You forgot to mention that US political system was devised here in the UK.

I'm pretty sure it was actually devised in Philadelphia and turned out rather different than the English system.

 

[phrodeau]

Are you so insecure that you see insults in everything? My comment was simply mentioning the fact that we all prefer to deal in something as close to our native language as possible. However, I do have to ask why it is that a country so linguistically talented. requires subtitles on some English films and requires books written in English to be translated into American prior to publication.

No, I don't see Americans as being stupid. But when it comes to language I see them as being just as lazy as we are. We refuse to learn other languages because the world should speak English.



Oh, I'm sure you are right. It would be an inconvenience that you, or rather your companies would rather not have, but nothing more than that. However, we must be of some use to you. Why else would we have had 5 ex-secretaries of state, one president and one presidential hopeful, telling us to stay in the EU.

We Brits have historical dislike of being told what to do, so these efforts to keep us in may well have the opposite effect.

It was Sarah Palin who said that new immigrants need to learn to speak "American". She is representative of nobody but herself.

 

[DeYaKen]

Because once you take all the proper English out, gangbang every O with a bunch of silent U's and toss slang into it you're practically speaking Swahili.

I'll have to explain because you are obviously struggling with this. The language is called English because it is the language of England. When someone takes it and adulterates it, it becomes a pidgin. This happened when all the immigrants from all over the world came to your country and changed the language into something that was easier for them to speak and write. Hence, American is really a pidgin English. All those 'U's were there before you took them out because it made it easier to learn. Old had an e on the end when the Mayflower landed. You still see it here from time to time "Ye olde red lion"

As for slang "Yo Mothers done have no slang bro? well shame on you"

We don't have a problem with American, We are used to translating when other people try to speak our language. It's flattering that they try. However. deciphering the pidgin they speak in Tonga presents a challenge.

Because the EU is at large, and without you and Germany there is no real EU, is important to the US, or at least Obama thinks so. Maybe it's just easier to deal with a union than it a bunch of countries but I'm willing to bet that it's really better because it's easier to scam the people that way.

That upper layer of government, people can't keep track of all that shit. Just stratify until that upper cream at the top can pretty much get away with whatever they want.

So you are saying that they want us to stay in because it's easier to screw us all that way. I think that is what I was saying. They want us in the EU because it is in America's interest, not ours.

I'm pretty sure it was actually devised in Philadelphia and turned out rather different than the English system.

Well if you say so the blue plaque on a house in Sandwich Kent must be wrong. The system was supposed to be an improved version of our system. It had to be different because you had no hereditary head of state. You did inherit the two chamber system but the whole idea was to make the British system more democratic and fit for a republic.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'll have to explain because you are obviously struggling with this.

No I'm really not.

Nothing you wrote did anything to argue, negate or even challenge anything I wrote.

The language is called English because it is the language of England. When someone takes it and adulterates it, it becomes a pidgin. This happened when all the immigrants from all over the world came to your country and changed the language into something that was easier for them to speak and write. Hence, American is really a pidgin English.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/saszombieassault/images/b/bc/Ya_don't_say.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140623062832

All those 'U's were there before you took them out because it made it easier to learn. Old had an e on the end when the Mayflower landed. You still see it here from time to time "Ye olde red lion"

No we took them out because they are superfluous.

We don't have a problem with American,

That doesn't mean you don't love looking down your nose at it.

So you are saying that they want us to stay in because it's easier to screw us all that way.

Let me explain because you are obviously struggling with this.

They want us in the EU because it is in America's interest, not ours.

Well if you say so the blue plaque on a house in Sandwich Kent must be wrong.

It is, the US government was devised in Philadelphia, not England.

 

[DeYaKen]

Let me explain because you are obviously struggling with this.

They want us in the EU because it is in America's interest, not ours.

This is what I said, but it looks like it's yours. You really must learn how to use quotes.

It is, the US government was devised in Philadelphia, not England.

Thank you for that snippet of information. I'm sure if you write to Mr John Whittingdale MP at the Palace of Westminster and give him your evidence he will get the plaque taken down.

Toodle pip old fruit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

This is what I said, but it looks like it's yours. You really must learn how to use quotes.

Let me explain because you are obviously struggling with this.

Because I'm such a kind person I'll say it real slow so you might understand.

I........ used.......... the....... quote ............system ..............perfectly.

Thank you for that snippet of information. I'm sure if you write to Mr John Whittingdale MP at the Palace of Westminster and give him your evidence he will get the plaque taken down.

Toodle pip old fruit.

He's probably as up his own ass about being british as you are so even if I did care I wouldn't waste my time.

Have a goodun!