Brain tumor? No problem, we'll see you in 8 months

Ham Murabi

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EDITORIAL: This isn't brain surgery

Tales from the Canadian health care system
American supporters of socialized medicine have learned not to call it that, anymore. Instead, they use euphemisms such as "single payer" -- as though they seek to hold some giant lottery in which a Yazoo City garage mechanic named Billy Bob Bufus would be selected to reach into his coveralls and pay everybody else's medical bills for a year.

Early on in his administration, looking for something for the first lady to do, Bill Clinton appointed his wife to head up a giant secret task force to draw up a proposed new nationalized "Health Security Act." Mrs. Clinton put together a 1,300-page doozy. Under her plan, anyone attempting to "get out of line" and pay cash for faster medical attention could have gone to jail.

That sounds far-fetched, but it's actually typical of any "one-payer" government medical monopoly. If things in limited supply are not rationed by price, they have to be rationed by bureaucrats.

Stuart Browning is a young filmmaker who has put together a series of short films warning Americans about the dangers of collectivized medicine and the benefits of free markets in health care. One of these films, "A Short Course in Brain Surgery" can be viewed for free in only a few minutes on your home computer, at www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php. It's worth the time.

The five-minute short introduces us to a retired Ontario body shop manager named Lindsay McCleith. Mr. McCleith had terrible headaches and suffered a seizure. Both he and his doctor suspected a brain tumor, and asked the Canadian National Health system to schedule the diagnostic test known as an MRI. Mr. McCleith got his appointment -- four months away.

He and his wife offered to pay cash to get faster attention. But that's not allowed in Ontario. (Sound familiar?)

He crossed the border to Buffalo, N.Y., and got his test in four days. Turned out he had a brain tumor the size of a golf ball. Armed with this evidence of the seriousness of his condition, he returned to Canada, seeking quick surgery and reimbursement for his expenses. The Canadian "single-payer" system which American leftists yearn to emulate would do neither.

His doctor estimates Mr. McCleith would have waited eight months for treatment in his home country. Here, the whole process -- diagnosis, consultation, surgery -- took one month.

Fortunately, he and his wife had enough money to cover the $28,000 cost -- though Sandra McCleith says she would have gladly mortgaged her home to pay the bills. "When your life is in danger, you're desperate," she says.

That only works if you can get to America, though. No amount of money would have bought them timely treatment in Canada. Even "asking for permission" to go to the United States takes eight months.

Today, Hillary Clinton says she's "learned her lesson" about proposing socialized medicine.

But one examines her written and spoken record in vain for any declaration that government-enforced collectivism is inherently wrong, in medicine or anywhere else. Instead, we're left to conclude the "lesson" Sen. Clinton has learned is that it's wiser to impose socialized medicine incrementally, one small step at a time, rather than be honest and spell out your intentions, handing fans of freedom as fat and juicy a target as her gigantic "Health Security Act."

Nor is there any indication that her remaining Democratic opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, has foresworn this vital plank in the socialists' century-old roadmap to serfdom, either.

Las Vegas Review Journal
 
Asking permission to go from Canada to the US takes 8 months?
LMAO.
 
Disprove it.

I know socialised medicine is shit. I suffered under it for 15 years of my life. Please cite sources, Sean.

It's up to Ham to prove it. I've lived in both the US and Britain, I'll take the NHS every time, tyvm.
 
He cited his source, which is the LV RJ. Under the basic rules of arguement, then you should go find a reputable source that cites a different outcome.
 
BTW, if you dig into Free Market Cure, you find a lot of big pharma companies. Funny that.
 
He cited his source, which is the LV RJ. Under the basic rules of arguement, then you should go find a reputable source that cites a different outcome.

The LV RJ cites Freemarketcure, which is a mouthpiece for big pharma.
 
Asking permission to go from Canada to the US takes 8 months?
LMAO.

I can go to the US tomorrow to get medical treatment if I can afford to pay for it.

Perhaps he meant getting approval to have government medical insurance pay for the American treatment.
 
I can go to the US tomorrow to get medical treatment if I can afford to pay for it.

Perhaps he meant getting approval to have government medical insurance pay for the American treatment.

The piece says they paid the 28k themselves. It's bullshit.
 
The piece says they paid the 28k themselves. It's bullshit.

Nobody has to get permission to go to the US to pay for treatment. At hospitals in Niagara Falls they have pamphlets for American medical services like MRI clinics for quicker services.
 
Why? Because people in Canada don't have $28,000?

No, because it doesn't take 8 months to get permission to travel to the US. If one part of a theory is proved to be false, the whole theory is falsified.

Want to know more about Free Market Cure?
 
wait, is it bs or not?

I have no idea. But if a Canadian citizen is told it will be eight months before they will receive treatment in our system they are free to go to the United States and spend their own money on medical services.
 
wait, is it bs or not?

Here's what I know for sure. A lady in my office was born in Canada and hates national health. He sister was diagnosed with arthritic knees that needed replacement and she waited for the better part of a year.
In the meantime she was not given hyalgan to ease the pain.
 
It's a propaganda piece by a right wing pro market outfit. Philip Morris in drag.

Al Gore is making money hand over fist talking about and doing business related to global warming. But his motives are pure, right?
 
Here's what I know for sure. A lady in my office was born in Canada and hates national health. He sister was diagnosed with arthritic knees that needed replacement and she waited for the better part of a year.
In the meantime she was not given hyalgan to ease the pain.


You posted this thread with the implication that government provided health care is bad. Presumably because you are trying to make a political point - which you are ill equipped to do.

To my knowledge the 4 presidential candidates have proposed a minimum level of health care. I've not heard a single one of them say an employer couldn't provide a higher level of care, and I've certainly not heard any of them say you couldn't pay cash money for whatever care you desired.
 
Here's what I know for sure. A lady in my office was born in Canada and hates national health. He sister was diagnosed with arthritic knees that needed replacement and she waited for the better part of a year.
In the meantime she was not given hyalgan to ease the pain.

So her sister knew which pain medication was best for her condition? Better then her doctor would?
 
Al Gore is making money hand over fist talking about and doing business related to global warming. But his motives are pure, right?

So, the presence of Leftist propaganda legitimizes all other propaganda?
 
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