BOMBSHELL, but really we knew this, didnt we?

[garbage can]

Basic Oxbridge educated Brit. You can hear a million like that in London wine bars.

*chuckle* Is he a wino?

 

[Peregrinator]

BB: I don't care about the Times.

BEIL: I heard the authors of Cobra 2, a new book on Iraq and stuff, interviewed. They are of the opinion that SH did dismantle his wmds but was afraid to admit it because he was scared of Iran. He was walking a line, hoping there was enough doubt to deter attacks on his country while also hoping there was enough certainty to deter attacks on his country. A very, very, arabian way of thinking, you know? Constant scheming, constant triple-layer "diplomacy."

Think about it; if he just came out and admitted he had no wmd and his country was a wreck, Iran might have invaded--who knows what THOSE crazy motherfuckers might do?--and NO ONE would have helped him. We all would have sat back and let them kill each other. Otoh, if he refused entirely to cooperate with the UN, he knew he was going to get sanctions and stuff, and possibly military action. But he had Russia, France, Germany, et al in his pocket, or at least he thought so, and he had to hope that the US wouldn't attack unilaterally.

 

[busybody..]

BB: I don't care about the Times.

QUOTE]
NEWSFLASH

What you dont care about doesnt matter

fact is the Times is still the paper of record and is read thruput the world

The worlds countries and diplomats and even the terrorists read it to gain insight into America

that is a FACT you cant escape from!

 

[busybody..]

March 23, 2006: The myth of impartiality

According to the Drudge Report, Good Morning America producer John Green is "mortified" that he was caught with his pants down in an email he wrote to others at ABC that President Bush made him want "to puke." Frankly, Green should not be so upset. This is his opinion and he's welcome to it in a free society. The idea that he would be impartial is simply a myth. Last I heard John Green was a human being. Only machines (so far) are impartial. In fact, it's good viewers of ABC are informed of the opinions of those producing the network's shows. It gives those viewers much more ability to evaluate what they are seeing.

Thanks, Mr. Green

 

[busybody..]

The connection

ABC News summarizes five recently released documents from Saddam Hussein's archive. The documents shed new light on the connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. They confirm that an official representative of Saddam Hussein's government met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan on February 19, 1995 after approval by Saddam Hussein. Evidence of the meeting is not new; it's mentioned in the 9/11 Commission's report. But the documents show that Saddam personally approved the meeting, and what the two sides discussed.

Bin Laden asked that Iraq broadcast the lectures of Suleiman al Ouda, a radical Saudi preacher, and suggested "carrying out joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia (such an attack occurred eight months later). According to ABC News, the documents show that the Iraqis were, at a minimum, interested in exploring a potential relationship and prepared to show good faith by broadcasting the speeches of al Ouda, the radical cleric who was also a bin Laden mentor. The documents do not establish that the two parties did in fact enter into an operational relationship. But Iraq's position was that further "development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties [should] be left according to what's open [in the future] based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation."

The meeting between Saddam's emissary and bin Laden occurred in Sudan. After bin Laden was kicked out of Sudan, Iraq continued to stay in touch through the Sudanese, but worked "on activating this relationship through a new channel in light of his current location,"

There is also an Iraqi intelligence document that reports the statements of an Afghani informant. According to that informant, bin Laden the Taliban were in contact with Iraq and a group of Taliban and bin Laden group members had visited Iraq. ABC News finds that the evidentiary value of this document is limited given its source.

These documents further undermine the claim that ideological differences precluded a relationship between secular Saddam and fundamentalist bin Laden. The documents show that they had a relationship and that Iraq was prepared to cooperate with al Qaeda to the extent that it would be beneficial to do so. Whether or to what extent such coooperation occurred is still not known. But the documents support the view that Saddam, who was almost universally thought to have WMD and clearly had the capability of producing them, might well cooperate with al Qaeda in future attacks on the U.S. or its interests. That's something we don't have to worry about anymore.

 

[Peregrinator]

BB: I don't care about the Times.

QUOTE]
NEWSFLASH

What you dont care about doesnt matter

fact is the Times is still the paper of record and is read thruput the world

The worlds countries and diplomats and even the terrorists read it to gain insight into America

that is a FACT you cant escape from!

Well, good. Then the world will also believe that the majority of americans didn't vote for the current executive and disagrees with its policies. That way, we don't appear to be a giant asshole of a country, which we would if all they saw was what the Bushdouche regime wanted them to see.

 

[busybody..]

If I didnt know better

I would think you are NUTS

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

You know NOTHING about Christopher Hitchens, I've been reading the bloke since I was about 15. Do some research.

I dont need any research to see you cant read.

I said NOTHING about Hitchens. I was pointing out how liberalism has abondoned its traditional values.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

Well, good. Then the world will also believe that the majority of americans didn't vote for the current executive and disagrees with its policies. That way, we don't appear to be a giant asshole of a country, which we would if all they saw was what the Bushdouche regime wanted them to see.

I guess I'll take this opportunity to point out that a majority of VOTING Americans DID vote for Bush. And I'll also remind you that a majority of VOTING Americans voted AGAINST Clinton.

As to what the rest of the world thinks, when they start paying income taxes and become legal citizens, then their opinions will mean something.

 

[Sean]

I guess I'll take this opportunity to point out that a majority of VOTING Americans DID vote for Bush. And I'll also remind you that a majority of VOTING Americans voted AGAINST Clinton.

As to what the rest of the world thinks, when they start paying income taxes and become legal citizens, then their opinions will mean something.

LMFAO. Clinton was running, was he?

 

[busybody..]

LMFAO. Clinton was running, was he?

Schmuck

ClitMan NEVER got 50% of any vote

 

[busybody..]

As to what the rest of the world thinks, when they start paying income taxes and become legal citizens, then their opinions will mean something.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

LMFAO. Clinton was running, was he?

He did twice. Won even though a majority voted against him both times.

 

[Peregrinator]

I guess I'll take this opportunity to point out that a majority of VOTING Americans DID vote for Bush. And I'll also remind you that a majority of VOTING Americans voted AGAINST Clinton.

As to what the rest of the world thinks, when they start paying income taxes and become legal citizens, then their opinions will mean something.

Whatever. He barely squeaked by, in both elections with enough credible evidence of fraud that the world can see him as not a majority pres, which is all I care about.

As to your second point, it may also matter while some of them are so hatred-blind that they continue to kill us every chance they get.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

Whatever. He barely squeaked by, in both elections with enough credible evidence of fraud that the world can see him as not a majority pres, which is all I care about.

As to your second point, it may also matter while some of them are so hatred-blind that they continue to kill us every chance they get.

In case you havent noticed they kill EVERYONE they dont like, even their own.

And I'll also point out they were killing us BEFORE we went into Iraq or Afghanistan.

But before you go and try to blame all this on Bush, as is your implication, I'll remind you that they tried to knock down the twin towers back when your hero Clinton was in office. I guess that was Bush's fault too.

 

[Plasmaball]

In case you havent noticed they kill EVERYONE they dont like, even their own.

And I'll also point out they were killing us BEFORE we went into Iraq or Afghanistan.

But before you go and try to blame all this on Bush, as is your implication, I'll remind you that they tried to knock down the twin towers back when your hero Clinton was in office. I guess that was Bush's fault too.

and he had them arrested.

 

[Peregrinator]

In case you havent noticed they kill EVERYONE they dont like, even their own.

And I'll also point out they were killing us BEFORE we went into Iraq or Afghanistan.

But before you go and try to blame all this on Bush, as is your implication, I'll remind you that they tried to knock down the twin towers back when your hero Clinton was in office. I guess that was Bush's fault too.

Don't be an asshole. How many times do I have to post that I'm not a Clinton fan just because I think Bush is a douchebag? Did you hear me THAT time? Is it possible in your black-and-white worldview to dislike BOTH of them?

If you honestly think that A) what the rest of the world thinks of the US isn't important and B) that Bush hasn't worsened world opinion of us, you're the dimmest bulb on the GB.

 

[busybody..]

If you honestly think that A) what the rest of the world thinks of the US isn't important and B) that Bush hasn't worsened world opinion of us, you're the dimmest bulb on the GB.

hence the name

Mrs Simpleton!

 

[Peregrinator]

hence the name

Mrs Simpleton!

That's cute. Which do you disagree with and why?

 

[busybody..]

a) A leader LEADS, doesnt pander to the lowest common demoniator

b) the US was ALWAYS hated. Under Nixon. Under Carter. Under RR, remember the MX missle? You may think it was better under ClitMan, you must have forgotten history!

WHo was the enemy in the Cold War to MOST? THE US!

RR led, and put in the MX and increased defense spending that KILLED the Soviets, and he went thru Europe and the Lib who called him the same WAR MONGER COWBOY they call Bush!


The Leader of the troops LEADS, may even be HATED by by sheer respect, LEADS


You may NOT get this, Mrs Simpleton!

WHen M Thatcher introduced harsh economic measures she was HATED by all. She was right! The Iron Lady, LED!



LEADERS, LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[busybody..]

new stuff

March 23, 2006 — Following are the ABC News Investigative Unit's summaries of five documents from Saddam Hussein's government, which the U.S. government has released.

The documents discuss Osama bin Laden, weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda and more.

The full documents can be found on the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office Web site: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm.

Note: Document titles were added by ABC News.




"U.S. War Plan Leaked to Iraqis by Russian Ambassador"

Documents dated March 5-8, 2003

Two Iraqi documents dated in March 2003 — on the eve of the U.S.-led invasion — and addressed to the secretary of Saddam Hussein, describe details of a U.S. plan for war. According to the documents, the plan was disclosed to the Iraqis by the Russian ambassador.

The first document (CMPC-2003-001950) is a handwritten account of a meeting with the Russian ambassador that details his description of the composition, size, location and type of U.S. military forces arrayed in the Gulf and Jordan. The document includes the exact numbers of tanks, armored vehicles, different types of aircraft, missiles, helicopters, aircraft carriers, and other forces, and also includes their exact locations. The ambassador also described the positions of two Special Forces units.

The second document (CMPC-2004-001117) is a typed account, signed by Deputy Foreign Minister Hammam Abdel Khaleq, that states that the Russian ambassador has told the Iraqis that the United States was planning to deploy its force into Iraq from Basra in the South and up the Euphrates, and would avoid entering major cities on the way to Baghdad, which is, in fact what happened. The documents also state "Americans are also planning on taking control of the oil fields in Kirkuk." The information was obtained by the Russians from "sources at U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar," according to the document.

This document also includes an account of an amusing incident in which several Iraqi Army officers (presumably seeking further elaboration of the U.S. war plans) contacted the Russian Embassy in Baghdad and stated that the ambassador was their source. Needless to say, this caused great embarrassment to the ambassador, and the officers were instructed "not to mention the ambassador again in that context."

(Editor's Note: The Russian ambassador in March 2003 was Vladimir Teterenko. Teterenko appears in documents released by the Volker Commission, which investigated the Oil for Food scandal, as receiving allocations of 3 million barrels of oil — worth roughly $1.5 million. )

 

[busybody..]

a) A leader LEADS, doesnt pander to the lowest common demoniator

b) the US was ALWAYS hated. Under Nixon. Under Carter. Under RR, remember the MX missle? You may think it was better under ClitMan, you must have forgotten history!

WHo was the enemy in the Cold War to MOST? THE US!

RR led, and put in the MX and increased defense spending that KILLED the Soviets, and he went thru Europe and the Lib who called him the same WAR MONGER COWBOY they call Bush!


The Leader of the troops LEADS, may even be HATED by by sheer respect, LEADS


You may NOT get this, Mrs Simpleton!

WHen M Thatcher introduced harsh economic measures she was HATED by all. She was right! The Iron Lady, LED!



LEADERS, LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To further amplfy, MRS SIMPLETON!

Is it JUST the US that is hated? And by whom are we hated?

Austarlia nd Britian are seen just as badly by their OWN LIBS as we are. The West is somehow the ENEMY of LIBS!

But lets remeber:

In the 1980's when RR wanted to instal the MX, there were greater demonstarations in Europe then there are now.

The exact worlds used on Bush now were used on RR then.

Lets look back at 1989, when SH invaded Kuwait, it was the IRON LADY not PUSSYBUSH that backed military action

PussyBush was so intent on having his COALITION OF EVERYBODY, that he even gave into the demands of Egypt and SYria, much to the detriment of the military

It was PUSSYBUSH that gaveinto the "demands" of the UN and others when he stopped the killing of the Iraqi army on the highway of death. He wasnt a leader, he was a wimp follower. Lets also remember that there were MANY demosntrattions in Europe about that war as well!

Remember THIS WAR? When Britian started to hem and haw about invasion, Bush and Rumsfeld said OK boys, STAY HOME!

LEADERS LEAD

And the US was never loved, the SOviets were more loved, and THAT tell you all you needa know!

 

[busybody..]

So, U-I

Who HATES us?

France? Do you see what going on there? Should we care they hate us? They have been hating us for 60 yrs, FUCK EM

The LIBS? The LIBS always HATE US!

The MooseLimbs? They always hate us

Who hates us and what should we do?

Be nicer? that means GIVING UP our own interests!

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

and he had them arrested.

Ohhh thats a big deterrant as we soon found out. LOL

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

Don't be an asshole. How many times do I have to post that I'm not a Clinton fan just because I think Bush is a douchebag? Did you hear me THAT time? Is it possible in your black-and-white worldview to dislike BOTH of them?

If you honestly think that A) what the rest of the world thinks of the US isn't important and B) that Bush hasn't worsened world opinion of us, you're the dimmest bulb on the GB.

Alright so you're not a Clinton fan, fine. But I hardly think we should be worrying about what the quasi-socialist (and anti-Isreal) mindset of western europe (or especially the mid-east) thinks about us.

Frankly I think their opinion of us has less to do with our foreign policies than it does with our pro-capitalist economy. The point being made here is that US policy should be directed by what is good for us not what our competitors think it should be. Furthermore, I dont agree with your premise that the rest of the world opposes us. Its quite the contrary in fact. Eastern Europe, Japan, Australia, Spain and many many others joined us and supported us in the invasion of Iraq, so its hardly a situation of us against the world.

I havent called you names, so dont start with me.