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glad you added had an alibi
On a serious note
I think we havent heard the lst of the WMD'S
On a serious note
I think we havent heard the lst of the WMD'S
BOMBSHELL, but really we knew this, didnt we?
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busybody said:
The police lt in charge was a good friend of mine. Told the story in a guest lecture to a class I was teaching--search and rescue stuff--and my first question to him was, "Did you arrest her?"
"No, but we asked her a lot of questions...."
I'm sure you're right; people will be talking about them for decades.
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I dont think he said this stuff was shipped out
as you know the US blew up many of these sites
as you also know there was quite a bit said about this around election day'
I think what he meant that was shipped out were the WMDs
You little spiel above shows a mind that is MORE intelligent then most, so you KNOW exactly what he meant, despite your attempt at cute naive-eh-tay!
as you know the US blew up many of these sites
as you also know there was quite a bit said about this around election day'
I think what he meant that was shipped out were the WMDs
You little spiel above shows a mind that is MORE intelligent then most, so you KNOW exactly what he meant, despite your attempt at cute naive-eh-tay!
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Mark my words....someday you'll wish we had.Peregrinator said:
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In the current climate, it would be hard to do
though it is hard to imagine when the climate will be better
though it is hard to imagine when the climate will be better
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Saddam and al-Qaeda
February 20th, 2006
The proof has been right in front of you the entire time. Documents available on the internet, which pass the smell test and are probably genuine, show the link between Saddam and al Qaeda.
On October 11th, 2004 an online news service called CNSnews published 42 documents that they claimed came from the Iraq Survey Group. The documents supposedly came from an ISG official who claimed they were captured in Iraq. CNSnews provided this information along with testimony from experts who authenticated the documents to the best of their ability. The story can be found here.
I have no connection to CNSnews. I did not release these documents to anybody while working with ISG or at any other time. But I will now add my name to the list of those who authenticate the documents. I know there is a good chance that these documents are real for three reasons.
The first reason is that I saw thousands of these documents while with ISG, and these look right.
But more than that, I saw the original of one of these documents at the Combined Media Processing Center in Qatar. I can therefore validate one document as having been captured in Iraq – which increases the likelihood that they are all real.
The third reason is that I witnessed an investigation into who released these documents conducted at the CPMC by ISG. If these document were not authentic, why would an investigation have been conducted into who released them?
So what do the documents tell us?
I recommend that you review them, as they contain such interesting nuggets as a program by the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) to hunt down and kill Americans throughout the Middle East and Africa.
But how does this connect Saddam to al-Qaeda?
Look at document 14.
Here is the condensed version. The document is from the IIS and details plans to meet with an official from the “Egyptian Al-Jehad” via a Sudanese official named Ali Othman Taha. He is called the Vice Chairman of the Islamic Front in Sudan in the memo.
I looked up Ali Othman Taha on wikipedia and it says that he is the Vice President of Sudan.
Who or what is the Egyptian al-Jehad (jihad)?
This from globalsecurity.org:
al-Jihad
Jihad Group
Islamic Jihad
Egyptian Islamic Jihad
New Jihad Group
Vanguards of Conquest
Talaa’ al-Fateh
Description:
Egyptian Islamic extremist group active since the late 1970s. Merged with Bin Ladin’s al-Qaida organization in June 2001, but may retain some capability to conduct independent operations. Continues to suffer setbacks worldwide, especially after 11 September attacks. Primary goals are to overthrow the Egyptian Government and replace it with an Islamic state and attack US and Israeli interests in Egypt and abroad.
Okay now we know the Egyptian al Jihad is also known as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, a name you may have heard in connection to its leader:
Al-Sharif passed the Jihad leadership to Ayman al-Zawahri amid dissent within the movement in the mid 1980’s. The al-Zawahri faction subsequently formed an alliance with Al-Qaeda leading over time to the effective merger of the two groups operations inside Afghanistan.
Although al-Zawahri is frequently refered to as a ‘lieutenant’ or ‘second in command’ of Al Qaeda this description is misleading as it implies a hierarchical relationship. The modern Al Qaeda organization is the combination of Bin Laden’s financial resources with al-Zawahri’s ideological and operational leadership. – wikipedia
That’s right, Ayman al-Zawahri, one of the talking heads of al-Qaeda who treated us to a new video not so long ago. The Egyptian Islamic Jihad organization combined with Osama Bin Ladin’s supporters to form al-Qaeda.
The EIJ is neck deep in al-Qaeda. And this documents shows an EIJ official to be escorted to Baghdad to meet with Saddam Hussein in 1993.
The Institute for Counterterrorism says this about the EIJ:
Since 1993 the group has not conducted an attack inside Egypt. However there have been repeated threats to retaliate against the United States, for its incarceration of Sheikh Umar Abd al-Rahman and, more recently, for the arrests of its members in Albania, Azerbaijan, and the United Kingdom.
In 1993, Sheikh Umar Abd al-Rahman directed the bombing of the world trade center. He is now imprisoned in the U.S.
Now look at document 28.
This document is a continuation of document 27 and in general talks about overturning the Egyptian government and “providing technical support” presumably to the EIJ in efforts against the Egyptian government and American non-military interests.
So let ’s put this in context. Here’s what the documents tell us:
On February 26th, 1993 the first world trade center was attacked by al-Qaeda and the EIJ (really two organizations that cooperated in 1993 and eventually merged).
A month later an official from EIJ was meeting with Saddam in Baghdad.
We have a document showing Saddam authorizing the IIS to “provide technical support” to the EIJ, and by extension, al-Qaeda.
And then al-Qaeda and the EIJ attacked the U.S. on September 11th, 2001 led by an Egyptian Jihadist, Mohammed Atta.
Now you have proof Saddam provided support to the EIJ and by extension al-Qaeda, both of which attacked us on 9/11.
Ray Robison is a Sr. Military Operations Research Analyst with a defense contractor at the Aviation and Missile, Research, Development, Engineering Command in Huntsville, Alabama. His background includes over ten years of military service as an officer and enlisted soldier including the Gulf War and Kosovo operations. Most recently he worked as a contractor for DIA with the Iraqi Survey Group. He holds a B.S. degree in Biology, Pre-med from the University of Tampa and is a graduate of the Combined Arms and Services Staff School.
Ray Robison
February 20th, 2006
The proof has been right in front of you the entire time. Documents available on the internet, which pass the smell test and are probably genuine, show the link between Saddam and al Qaeda.
On October 11th, 2004 an online news service called CNSnews published 42 documents that they claimed came from the Iraq Survey Group. The documents supposedly came from an ISG official who claimed they were captured in Iraq. CNSnews provided this information along with testimony from experts who authenticated the documents to the best of their ability. The story can be found here.
I have no connection to CNSnews. I did not release these documents to anybody while working with ISG or at any other time. But I will now add my name to the list of those who authenticate the documents. I know there is a good chance that these documents are real for three reasons.
The first reason is that I saw thousands of these documents while with ISG, and these look right.
But more than that, I saw the original of one of these documents at the Combined Media Processing Center in Qatar. I can therefore validate one document as having been captured in Iraq – which increases the likelihood that they are all real.
The third reason is that I witnessed an investigation into who released these documents conducted at the CPMC by ISG. If these document were not authentic, why would an investigation have been conducted into who released them?
So what do the documents tell us?
I recommend that you review them, as they contain such interesting nuggets as a program by the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) to hunt down and kill Americans throughout the Middle East and Africa.
But how does this connect Saddam to al-Qaeda?
Look at document 14.
Here is the condensed version. The document is from the IIS and details plans to meet with an official from the “Egyptian Al-Jehad” via a Sudanese official named Ali Othman Taha. He is called the Vice Chairman of the Islamic Front in Sudan in the memo.
I looked up Ali Othman Taha on wikipedia and it says that he is the Vice President of Sudan.
Who or what is the Egyptian al-Jehad (jihad)?
This from globalsecurity.org:
al-Jihad
Jihad Group
Islamic Jihad
Egyptian Islamic Jihad
New Jihad Group
Vanguards of Conquest
Talaa’ al-Fateh
Description:
Egyptian Islamic extremist group active since the late 1970s. Merged with Bin Ladin’s al-Qaida organization in June 2001, but may retain some capability to conduct independent operations. Continues to suffer setbacks worldwide, especially after 11 September attacks. Primary goals are to overthrow the Egyptian Government and replace it with an Islamic state and attack US and Israeli interests in Egypt and abroad.
Okay now we know the Egyptian al Jihad is also known as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, a name you may have heard in connection to its leader:
Al-Sharif passed the Jihad leadership to Ayman al-Zawahri amid dissent within the movement in the mid 1980’s. The al-Zawahri faction subsequently formed an alliance with Al-Qaeda leading over time to the effective merger of the two groups operations inside Afghanistan.
Although al-Zawahri is frequently refered to as a ‘lieutenant’ or ‘second in command’ of Al Qaeda this description is misleading as it implies a hierarchical relationship. The modern Al Qaeda organization is the combination of Bin Laden’s financial resources with al-Zawahri’s ideological and operational leadership. – wikipedia
That’s right, Ayman al-Zawahri, one of the talking heads of al-Qaeda who treated us to a new video not so long ago. The Egyptian Islamic Jihad organization combined with Osama Bin Ladin’s supporters to form al-Qaeda.
The EIJ is neck deep in al-Qaeda. And this documents shows an EIJ official to be escorted to Baghdad to meet with Saddam Hussein in 1993.
The Institute for Counterterrorism says this about the EIJ:
Since 1993 the group has not conducted an attack inside Egypt. However there have been repeated threats to retaliate against the United States, for its incarceration of Sheikh Umar Abd al-Rahman and, more recently, for the arrests of its members in Albania, Azerbaijan, and the United Kingdom.
In 1993, Sheikh Umar Abd al-Rahman directed the bombing of the world trade center. He is now imprisoned in the U.S.
Now look at document 28.
This document is a continuation of document 27 and in general talks about overturning the Egyptian government and “providing technical support” presumably to the EIJ in efforts against the Egyptian government and American non-military interests.
So let ’s put this in context. Here’s what the documents tell us:
On February 26th, 1993 the first world trade center was attacked by al-Qaeda and the EIJ (really two organizations that cooperated in 1993 and eventually merged).
A month later an official from EIJ was meeting with Saddam in Baghdad.
We have a document showing Saddam authorizing the IIS to “provide technical support” to the EIJ, and by extension, al-Qaeda.
And then al-Qaeda and the EIJ attacked the U.S. on September 11th, 2001 led by an Egyptian Jihadist, Mohammed Atta.
Now you have proof Saddam provided support to the EIJ and by extension al-Qaeda, both of which attacked us on 9/11.
Ray Robison is a Sr. Military Operations Research Analyst with a defense contractor at the Aviation and Missile, Research, Development, Engineering Command in Huntsville, Alabama. His background includes over ten years of military service as an officer and enlisted soldier including the Gulf War and Kosovo operations. Most recently he worked as a contractor for DIA with the Iraqi Survey Group. He holds a B.S. degree in Biology, Pre-med from the University of Tampa and is a graduate of the Combined Arms and Services Staff School.
Ray Robison
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You mean like I did the other day when I pointed out your source was about as believable as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. You remember the one BB, it was the one that turned out to be a total lie from start to finish.busybody said:
THIS is what made you iggy me? You're an idiot BB. Maybe if you could drag your so called mind away from the track it's always on, you'd see that I'm trying to keep you reasonably honest. But honesty isn't your strong point is it? You prefer hate filled rants that are no different than the murderous bullshit spewed by those you hate.busybody said:
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Hi Sean.
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BlueEyesInLevis said:
I doubt it.
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Overall I'm not a big fan of Bush. I do think that the war in Iraq was wasted effort. (and I fought some of it personally) I do believe that he had some WMD's but I highly dought he was of any threat to us. Hell he couldn't even take out Isreal.
But anybody "liberal" enough to call Iraq an benign country is the reason why republicans think we are insane. There were a dozen good reasons to take Saddam out, and yes I'm pissed that we chose the one wrong answer. Honestly I would have gone if Bush had said. Saddam bad, need killing. The same goes for the current leaders of Iran. Hamas bad, need killing. No further justification is needed.
On the other hand if we saw these satelite pictures of trucks leaving that we suspected was all the stuff we weren't allowed to see. That these were escaping WMD's why did we attack and let Saddam make us look stupid in front of the world? Why did we just piss off the Arabic world more than it already was? When we knew that weren't going to get anything out of it? Seems so unbelievably ignorant to me.
But anybody "liberal" enough to call Iraq an benign country is the reason why republicans think we are insane. There were a dozen good reasons to take Saddam out, and yes I'm pissed that we chose the one wrong answer. Honestly I would have gone if Bush had said. Saddam bad, need killing. The same goes for the current leaders of Iran. Hamas bad, need killing. No further justification is needed.
On the other hand if we saw these satelite pictures of trucks leaving that we suspected was all the stuff we weren't allowed to see. That these were escaping WMD's why did we attack and let Saddam make us look stupid in front of the world? Why did we just piss off the Arabic world more than it already was? When we knew that weren't going to get anything out of it? Seems so unbelievably ignorant to me.
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I agree with you entire post
Well said, all of it!
I agree with you entire post
Well said, all of it!
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busybody said:
He's good, isn't he?
I've been wondering why we didn't stop those convoys, or just blow them to shit at the border. Surely we could've spared a handful of planes or something.
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Here is something to think about
We KNEW about Al Zarkawi before the war, we knew where his training camps were, there were many that wanted it BOMBED adn him killed. Because we tried to get the UN on board
, we didnt do anything lest we lose the Sec Council vote. We couldnt pre-empt.
When the convoys were leaving en masse, I assume we had no 100% concrete knowledge what was contained in there, so how could we bomb it? Especially before the war started.
You may recall that after the war started, we bombed a "mysterious" convoy of Mercedes Benz that were leaving Iraq. There was speculation SH was there as well as Russian advisors, as well as some WMDs. There was an immediate outcry because supposedly some "civilians" were killed and some Russian "diplomats" were killed. We missed yet another chance.
Because the US tries to fight fair, and indeed fights a PC war, it not only jepordizes the welfare of US troops but US objectives as well.
Had we killed Al Zarq before the war as proposed, we wouldnt be having half the problems we are having. The same could be said for Clinton not killing OBL when he had at least three chances
We KNEW about Al Zarkawi before the war, we knew where his training camps were, there were many that wanted it BOMBED adn him killed. Because we tried to get the UN on board
, we didnt do anything lest we lose the Sec Council vote. We couldnt pre-empt.When the convoys were leaving en masse, I assume we had no 100% concrete knowledge what was contained in there, so how could we bomb it? Especially before the war started.
You may recall that after the war started, we bombed a "mysterious" convoy of Mercedes Benz that were leaving Iraq. There was speculation SH was there as well as Russian advisors, as well as some WMDs. There was an immediate outcry because supposedly some "civilians" were killed and some Russian "diplomats" were killed. We missed yet another chance.
Because the US tries to fight fair, and indeed fights a PC war, it not only jepordizes the welfare of US troops but US objectives as well.
Had we killed Al Zarq before the war as proposed, we wouldnt be having half the problems we are having. The same could be said for Clinton not killing OBL when he had at least three chances
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As we now look back and see the mistakes we made in Iraq and ask why didnt we do better
As we now look back at 9/11 and ask why didnt we do better
I am certain wel will look back after the next attack and ask why didnt we do better
THIS IS WHY!!!!!!!!!
1978 surveillance act hinders 2006 security (Jonathan Gurwitz, 02/19/2006, San Antonio Express-News)
Where is the safest place in the world for Osama bin Laden to hide while continuing to direct the terrorist plots of al-Qaida? The United States.
If you think that's an exaggeration, consider what Gen. Michael Hayden, the former director of the National Security Agency, told the House Intelligence Committee in April 2000.
To illustrate the limitations imposed by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act — passed by Congress in 1978 — Hayden cited a Saudi terror leader whose name was then not widely known: "If ... Osama bin Laden is walking across the peace bridge from Niagara Falls, Ontario, to Niagara Falls, New York, as he gets to the New York side, he is an American person and my agency must respect his rights against unreasonable search and seizure."
Hayden's testimony about FISA six years ago proved to be lethally prescient. When FBI agents in Minneapolis arrested a French-born man of Moroccan descent named Zacarias Moussaoui during the summer of 2001, the Justice Department declined to issue a FISA warrant to search his computer files.
Moussaoui had come to the attention of U.S. law enforcement due to a tip from French intelligence about his connection to Islamic terrorists, and for the curious fact that he expressed an interest to a Minnesota flight school in learning only how to fly a commercial airliner, not how to take off or land.
In 1999, the NSA began monitoring a cell phone number in Yemen that served as a switchboard for al-Qaida. Among the callers who connected to this switchboard was a "Khalid" in the United States. The NSA dropped surveillance of the caller for fear of violating FISA provisions on domestic spying. Khalid turned out to be Khalid al-Mihdhar, one of the 9-11 hijackers who took over American Airlines Flight 77 and flew it into the Pentagon.
As we now look back at 9/11 and ask why didnt we do better
I am certain wel will look back after the next attack and ask why didnt we do better
THIS IS WHY!!!!!!!!!
1978 surveillance act hinders 2006 security (Jonathan Gurwitz, 02/19/2006, San Antonio Express-News)
Where is the safest place in the world for Osama bin Laden to hide while continuing to direct the terrorist plots of al-Qaida? The United States.
If you think that's an exaggeration, consider what Gen. Michael Hayden, the former director of the National Security Agency, told the House Intelligence Committee in April 2000.
To illustrate the limitations imposed by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act — passed by Congress in 1978 — Hayden cited a Saudi terror leader whose name was then not widely known: "If ... Osama bin Laden is walking across the peace bridge from Niagara Falls, Ontario, to Niagara Falls, New York, as he gets to the New York side, he is an American person and my agency must respect his rights against unreasonable search and seizure."
Hayden's testimony about FISA six years ago proved to be lethally prescient. When FBI agents in Minneapolis arrested a French-born man of Moroccan descent named Zacarias Moussaoui during the summer of 2001, the Justice Department declined to issue a FISA warrant to search his computer files.
Moussaoui had come to the attention of U.S. law enforcement due to a tip from French intelligence about his connection to Islamic terrorists, and for the curious fact that he expressed an interest to a Minnesota flight school in learning only how to fly a commercial airliner, not how to take off or land.
In 1999, the NSA began monitoring a cell phone number in Yemen that served as a switchboard for al-Qaida. Among the callers who connected to this switchboard was a "Khalid" in the United States. The NSA dropped surveillance of the caller for fear of violating FISA provisions on domestic spying. Khalid turned out to be Khalid al-Mihdhar, one of the 9-11 hijackers who took over American Airlines Flight 77 and flew it into the Pentagon.
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see this paragraph?
remeber THIS when some speak of how bad it is WHEN THE US SPIES ON THE BAD GUYS
We know what to do, how to [rotect ourselves, we have the resources
WE DONT HAVE THE POLITICAL WILL
read this and remember it, I will bring it up after the next attack
In 1999, the NSA began monitoring a cell phone number in Yemen that served as a switchboard for al-Qaida. Among the callers who connected to this switchboard was a "Khalid" in the United States. The NSA dropped surveillance of the caller for fear of violating FISA provisions on domestic spying. Khalid turned out to be Khalid al-Mihdhar, one of the 9-11 hijackers who took over American Airlines Flight 77 and flew it into the Pentagon.
remeber THIS when some speak of how bad it is WHEN THE US SPIES ON THE BAD GUYS
We know what to do, how to [rotect ourselves, we have the resources
WE DONT HAVE THE POLITICAL WILL
read this and remember it, I will bring it up after the next attack
In 1999, the NSA began monitoring a cell phone number in Yemen that served as a switchboard for al-Qaida. Among the callers who connected to this switchboard was a "Khalid" in the United States. The NSA dropped surveillance of the caller for fear of violating FISA provisions on domestic spying. Khalid turned out to be Khalid al-Mihdhar, one of the 9-11 hijackers who took over American Airlines Flight 77 and flew it into the Pentagon.
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Peregrinator said:
Ha....Those jews are in for a world of hurt and they know it.
Between Palastine wanting them dead, and Iran building nikes to actually kill them, Id bet they are very fearful right about now.
Good.
Send the jews back to the desert where they belong and give Palastine back to its rightful owners.
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Iran is building NIKES??????????????????
Damn sneaks!
Damn sneaks!
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Its not one or the other
I am 100% certain that when the gumnit spies on the bad guys they also spy on some good guys
I am 100% certain the gumnit in its effort to protect us, and to get as much info as possible into the bad guys intention, they step over boundries and ensare some that they shouldnt
So then the question is
Should they NOT spy and do all they can to protect us
or
Should they continue to do so KNOWING FULL WELL that they WILL ensare some innocents?
If this country had a long history of abusing citizens rights, then MAYBE one can say NO SPYING without 100% assurance that no line is crossed
BUT
This country DOES not have that history
You may or may not know this. The ACLU lobbied Sen Feinstein to fight against the Pat Act, saying there were all sorts of abuses. She asked the ACLU to document them. She said after her review, that she saw NO ABUSE AT ALL!
And she is ANTI AMERICA TO THE CORE!
The hysteria about PRIVACY is just that, HYSTERIA
I am 100% certain that when the gumnit spies on the bad guys they also spy on some good guys
I am 100% certain the gumnit in its effort to protect us, and to get as much info as possible into the bad guys intention, they step over boundries and ensare some that they shouldnt
So then the question is
Should they NOT spy and do all they can to protect us
or
Should they continue to do so KNOWING FULL WELL that they WILL ensare some innocents?
If this country had a long history of abusing citizens rights, then MAYBE one can say NO SPYING without 100% assurance that no line is crossed
BUT
This country DOES not have that history
You may or may not know this. The ACLU lobbied Sen Feinstein to fight against the Pat Act, saying there were all sorts of abuses. She asked the ACLU to document them. She said after her review, that she saw NO ABUSE AT ALL!
And she is ANTI AMERICA TO THE CORE!
The hysteria about PRIVACY is just that, HYSTERIA
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whereever you go nowadays
you are on camera
everything you do, is known by someone
so the PRIVACY you so carave is a thing of the past!
you are on camera
everything you do, is known by someone
so the PRIVACY you so carave is a thing of the past!
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what privacy has been LOST in the WOT?
I know so many scream that it has
and maybe the PRIVACY of TERRORISTS has been lost, but so what?
So many throw a HISSY FIT that libraries have to divulge who uses the internet and what books they read.....................SO WHAT?
The 9/11 terror guys USED libraries to send emails to each other
Should we NOT protect ourselves?
Are we THAT DUMB?
I know so many scream that it has
and maybe the PRIVACY of TERRORISTS has been lost, but so what?
So many throw a HISSY FIT that libraries have to divulge who uses the internet and what books they read.....................SO WHAT?
The 9/11 terror guys USED libraries to send emails to each other
Should we NOT protect ourselves?
Are we THAT DUMB?
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busybody said:
You know, pretty much everything you post looks like a hissy fit.
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