BOMBSHELL, but really we knew this, didnt we?

[Plasmaball]

The discovery of Sarin in Iraq after the war somehow didn't count as a WMD, nor did the 1,700 pounds of processed uranium. Given that, why should we believe one of Saddam's generals?

all depends on time and place

 

[busybody..]

given that there were many Sat photos of long convoys of cars goin to Syria

Given that a former reporter in Iraq pinpointed where the WMDs were in Lebanon, from his hideout in Paris................(where he was killed a week after his comments)

given THIS story


why isnt there MORE noise?

 

[Plasmaball]

given that there were many Sat photos of long convoys of cars goin to Syria

?

satillite photos mean nothing. you need to be n the ground opening them up. Could they have been Wmd's? MAYBE. saying they were is stupid.

 

[Fagin]

satillite photos mean nothing. you need to be n the ground opening them up. Could they have been Wmd's? MAYBE. saying they were is stupid.

Hans Blix wanted a look in them. Whole facilities he wasn't allowed to inspect disappeared in these convoys.

 

[fgarvb1]

Sure.

I said all of this Years ago.

 

[Plasmaball]

Hans Blix wanted a look in them. Whole facilities he wasn't allowed to inspect disappeared in these convoys.

even still.......its a 50/50 deal. could be a bluff. might not be.

 

[Fagin]

even still.......its a 50/50 deal. could be a bluff. might not be.

I'm pretty sure it's not marshmellows that were shipped out. Hans Blix's comments pre-war were that he was inclined to believe that they were WMDs with the disclaimer that there shouldn't be a war. A little better than 50/50 when coming from Hans Blix.

 

[busybody..]

everyone

and I do mean EVERYONE

the inspectors from the UN

(with the exception of former inspector Ritter, but he was on SH payroll)

all the Intell service, France, Russia, Germany, Us and Britian (and remember, despite what ClitMan and the Dems are saying AFTER the war, they were saying EXACTLY what Bush said from 1998 to 2002)

all were certain of WMDs there

What happened?

Were they all fooled or is it in Syria?

I believe the latter

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

That's not a credible source like Scott Ritter dumbass!

 

[busybody..]

if he were the ONLY one

then maybe you are right,

but this General is NOT the only one

You have NOT read thru the entire thread

go to your room

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

It's as simple as this my hyperactive cyber friend...

Bush said Saddam had them; Saddam said he didn't.

Bush lies.

Ergo; no WMD's!

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Truth won't be found in a thread or the mind, but in the heart of a Liberal and in their heart, they knew Iraq was a benign entity of no threat to anyone other than it's own citizens, and hey, they voted for the guy and Jimmy Carter signed off on it, so they wanted the torture rooms and mass graves; it's all they were capable of, being at best 2/3's of a real person...

 

[busybody..]

you forgot RAPE rooms

 

[Cherry]

3 years after the 'war' started, countless searches by the U.S. military and 90,000 troops crawling around the countryside daily...and this comes out in a book about to be published?

I'd like to sell you a bridge.

Actually, the likelihood of WMD and terrorists participation surfaces throughout Iraqi documents recently released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence:

1. Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) Correspondence to Iraq Embassy in the Philippines and Iraq MFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

2. Possible al Qaeda Terror Members in Iraq

3. IIS report on Taliban-Iraq Connections Claims

4. Money Transfers from Iraq to Afghanistan

5. IIS Agent in Bulgaria

6. Iraqi Intel report on Kurdish Activities: Mention of Kurdish Report on al Qaeda--reference to al Qaeda presence in Salman Pak

7. IIS report about the relationship between IIS and the Kurdish Group Jalal Talibani [sic]

8. Iraqi Mukhabarat Structure

9. Locations of Weapons/Ammunition Storage (with map)

10. Iraqi Effort to Cooperate with Saudi Opposition Groups and Individuals

11. Order from Saddam to present $25,000 to Palestinian Suicide Bombers Families

12. IIS reports from Embassy in Paris: Plan to Influence French Stance on U.N. Security Council

13. IIS Importing and Hiding High Tech Computers in Violation of UN

14. IIS request to move persons, documents to private residences

15. Formulas and information about Iraq's Chemical Weapons Agents

16. Denial and Deception of WMD and Killing of POWs

17. 1987 orders by Hussein to use chemical weapons in the Ealisan Basin

18. Ricin research and improvement

19. Personnel file of Saad Mohammad Abd Hammadi al Deliemi

20. Memo from the Arab Liaison Committee: With a list of personnel in need of official documents

21. Fedayeen Saddam Responds to IIS regarding rumors of citizens aiding Afghanistan

22. Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity
It's possible, given Uday's known role as a go-between for the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda, that something nefarious was afoot.

23. Improvised Explosive Devices Plan

24. IIS reports on How French Campaigns are Financed

25. French and German relationships with Iraq

26. IIS reports about Russian Companies--News articles and potential IIS agents

27. IIS plan for 2000 of Europe's Influence of Iraq Strategy

28. IIS plans to infiltrate countries and collect information to help remove sanctions

29. Correspondence from IIS and the stations in Europe

30. Contract for satellite pictures between Russia, France and Iraq: Pictures of Neighboring Countries (Dec. 2002)

31. Chemical Gear for Fedayeen Saddam

32. Memo from the IIS to Hide Information from a U.N. Inspection team (1997)

33. Chemical Agent Purchase Orders (Dec. 2001)

34. Iraq Ministry of Defense Calls for Investigation into why documents related to WMD were found by UN inspection team

35. Correspondence between various Iraq organizations giving instructions to hide chemicals and equipment

36. Correspondence from IIS to MIC regarding information gathered by foreign intelligence satellites on WMD (Dec. 2002)

37. Correspondence from IIS to Iraqi Embassy in Malaysia

38. Cleaning chemical suits and how to hide chemicals

39. IIS plan of what to do during UNSCOM inspections (1996)

40. Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government (Nov. 2000)

 

[busybody..]

Cherry

Please dont INFUSE facts into the

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED MEME

You are confusing us

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

[voice=New Left]

You just admitted our central point, Saddam didn't have any WMD's to threaten NYC with! The chimp should have invaded SYRIA, one of the places he actually named in his Axis of Evil. "Mission Accomplished" my ass! and now the world is a much more dangerous place because if Saddam is a madman, Bashir is Napoleon...

[/voice]

 

[busybody..]

The Left says

Invade the real threat ........................(insert name there)

And when THAT were to happen

expect Bitching to commence

as this clearly shows the MO of the Left

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=403202

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I don't think they advocate invasion, just tougher talks..

 

[busybody..]

but I thought SHOUTING was TORTURE?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

No, forcing them to listen to RAP is torture...

 

[busybody..]

This seems like a story worth watching:

By ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
February 7, 2006

The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence is studying 12 hours of audio recordings between Saddam Hussein and his top advisers that may provide clues to the whereabouts of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

The committee has already confirmed through the intelligence community that the recordings of Saddam's voice are authentic, according to its chairman, Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, who would not go into detail about the nature of the conversations or their context. They were provided to his committee by a former federal prosecutor, John Loftus, who says he received them from a former American military intelligence analyst.

Mr. Loftus will make the recordings available to the public on February 17 at the annual meeting of the Intelligence Summit, of which he is president. On the organization's Web site, Mr. Loftus is quoted as promising that the recordings "will be able to provide a few definitive answers to some very important - and controversial - weapons of mass destruction questions." Contacted yesterday by The New York Sun, Mr. Loftus would only say that he delivered a CD of the recordings to a representative of the committee, and the following week the committee announced that it was reopening the investigation into weapons of mass destruction.

 

[busybody..]

You outa read this,

its

UNBELIEVEABLE


http://www.nysun.com/article/27183


You outa read this,

its

UNBELIEVEABLE


http://www.nysun.com/article/27183

 

[busybody..]

Breaking News On Saddam WMD


[Update 5:33: It will be interesting to see how this story unfolds. It has been reported that the voice of Saddam has been authenticated, but I don’t think that means the tapes themselves have been and I have read that the source is not the most reliable. As I said below after hearing the excerpts, even if these are authentic, they are open to some interpretation. What frustrates me is that there has been so much evidence uncovered over the past couple of years about Saddam’s WMD and connections between Saddam and terrorism that has gone unreported by the major MSM outlets, or that have been reported in the middle of the paper, then never investigated or followed up on. When all of that evidence (I have blogged about much of it, including the work of Stephen Hayes and Kenneth Timmerman and others) is examined, it is evident that George Bush had every reason to believe that Saddam Hussein posed a serious threat to this country. That will remain true regardless of whether or not these tapes are real.

What is really funny is that using Mary Mapes and Dan Rather’s guidelines, it doesn’t really matter whether these tapes are fake or not, as long as they are accurate!

Update 4:14: The ABC News website now has a big story on the tapes and says there will be a segment on ABC News tonight, with the full report airing on Nightline. That is better, but still, if these are real, they deserve interrupting the soap operas coverage. It will be really interesting to see how the other networks report on the ABC story.

Update 4:25: I just watched the video (actually I could only get the audio) from the ABC site. The following is my interpretation (paraphrasing) of what was said. Please hear it for yourself.

In the beginning of the tape, Saddam says terrorist attacks are coming to the US but they won’t be from Iraq. Tariq Aziz then tells him that it would not be hard to set off a nuclear, chemical or bio weapon in Washington, but that it was not necessary for a state to do it. There is then some discussion to the effect that anyone could easily do such a thing and it could be argued, says ABC’s Ross, that this could be interpreted as Saddam saying he fears Iraq would be blamed for such an attack. The second part of the tape includes discussion about how quickly Iraq could reconstitute their WMD capability. Duelfer was interviewed for the piece and he said it does not prove that Iraq had WMD, but it shows that Saddam was a master of deception with the intention of acquiring and using WMD. The ABC story linked above gives many quotes from the piece. It is quite interesting.

In my opinion, when these tapes are added to the information we were getting from everywhere that Saddam had WMD and the intent to use it, it makes it difficult for me to imagine how any reasonable person could have ignored the threat Saddam posed. ]

Drudge is linking this CNS News story on the front page:


CNSNews.com) - Reportedly armed with 12 hours of Saddam Hussein’s audio recordings, the organizers of an upcoming “Intelligence Summit” are describing the tapes as the “smoking gun evidence” that the Iraqi dictator possessed weapons of mass destruction in the period leading up to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, which according to the New York Sun has already authenticated the Saddam tapes, has reopened its investigation into the possible existence and location of the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD). But some long-time liberal skeptics are showing no inclination to change their minds.

… a four-day Intelligence Summit, to be held Feb. 17-20 in Arlington, Va., is re-igniting the debate over the Iraqi WMD. The featured discussion, on Saturday, Feb. 18, is titled: “Saddam’s WMD Tapes: ‘The Smoking Gun’ Evidence.” The agenda for the event indicates that the person who will speak about the tapes is at this point “anonymous.”

The New York Sun on Feb. 7 reported that Rep. Peter Hoekstra’s (R-Mich.) committee had obtained the audio tapes from former federal prosecutor John Loftus. According to the report, Loftus received the tapes “from a former American military intelligence analyst.” Loftus is president of the Intelligence Summit, which is a yearly gathering of experts in the fields of counter-terrorism and intelligence gathering.

Jodie Evans of the anti-war group Code Pink, however, told Cybercast News Service that she does not think the Saddam recordings will lead to any new information. The government, according to Evans, has “said a lot of things for a long time.”

“There’s a difference between what they’ve been saying and what’s real, and when they find something real, I’ll comment.”

Danny Schechter, author and producer of the film version of “Embedded: Weapons of Mass Deception,” said he is “weary of these intercepts.”

“Nobody denies that Saddam Hussein did have a WMD program. The United States knows that, we have the receipts, we supplied some of the initial technology,” Schechter said.

But the weapons were destroyed in 1991, after the first Gulf War, he asserted.

“The question is not, did he have a program, but did that program represent a threat to the United States, to England, or to anywhere else,” Schechter said. “I would be hesitant about raw intelligence that has not been analyzed, but that is being used in a partisan way by members of Congress,” he told Cybercast News Service.

“Saddam Hussein is probably one of the most demonized world leaders, with Dick Cheney a close second,” Schechter added.

Saddam is currently on trial in Iraq for ordering the killings of more than 140 Shiite Muslims in 1982. One of his former military advisors and top generals, Georges Sada, has written a book titled: “Saddam’s Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied and Survived Saddam Hussein.”

Sada, who is a national security adviser in Iraq’s new government, alleges that in June 2002 Saddam transported weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq and into Syria aboard several refitted commercial jets, under the pretense of conducting a humanitarian mission for flood victims.

A Feb. 2 Cybercast News Service article quoted Jamal Ware, the communications director for Rep. Hoekstra as saying that “the chairman has read General Sada’s book … He will meet with General Sada to hear first-hand him laying out the case that this transferal may have happened.” The New York Sun article from Feb. 7 indicated that Sada has since met with Hoekstra to talk about the issue.

I posted almost the entire story above because it took me quite a while to pull it up and I was afraid that the Drudge traffic might make it difficult for readers to access it. Read more about the tapes, and the Nightline special which will feature them, in this CNS story.

Previous posts:

One Day The Truth Will Be Known
New Dots To Connect
Syria and WMD

Update I: If those tapes really have been authenticated and they say what the reports indicate, this should be big breaking news, not a Nightline special. I mean breaking news like when they interrupt the soap operas to report it. This story will once and for all demonstrate the bias (or lack of it) in the MSM. I am betting it will not demonstrate a lack of bias.

Here is how much I think it would take to ever convince Dems that Bush didn’t lie about WMD: Look, we could have video of Saddam examining bunkers full of WMD, neatly labeled in English, with a huge map in the background with U.S. targets brightly circled using Saddam’s blood as ink and those on the Left not believe it. We could produce the map with his DNA on it and they would argue that the evidence was obtained without a warrant and therefore should not be considered, and would then argue that Bush still lied. The arguments made by Demcrats over the past few years have had NOTHING to do with facts so I don’t know if ANYTHING could ever convince them.

Update II: See my statement of admission on Saddam’s WMD above. For those wondering how likely it is that this is a genuine smoking gun, I know one way to get some indication: listen to how many references congressional Democrats make to Bush lying about WMD.

Other than Rev. Lowrey at the Scott funeral last week, I have not heard nearly as much WMD/Bush lied rhetoric as usual and since Lowrey is not an elected Democrat it is entirely likely that he did not get the memo about these tapes. For an even better indicator, listen for any hedging from Democrats. For example, if you hear anyone trying to backtrack on their Bush lied statements, you will know there is something to this.

I revised the post above to shorten the excerpt from the CNS story. It is still a pretty long quote, but I removed a couple of paragraphs that discussed the history of the WMD search so that the post would not be so long.

Update III: Bulldog at ABP agrees (actually he said it an hour before I posted it) that if this is authentic then it is HUGE, but he cautions that it is still an if.

-- Lorie Byrd

 

[unregistered]

 

[busybody..]

and the LIBS will say

BUSH PLANTED WMDs LAST MONTH!