Blaming Bernie!

[DrDelirium]

"My side" - I voted for Hillary - dipshit.

Well, that side won. Not Hillary per se, and it took awhile after the election, but the Russo-phobic, endless war, regime change global corporatists that she represented are back in the saddle.

 

[Trumpire]

It's kind of nice, though, that Hillary still scares the shit out of these people.

Hilary is a scary thought... Donald, on the other hand (the one he chooses not to Putin the Russians') is a stupid reality.

Also, "Pilot", Barack was not a woman, but that just makes that post the same % of shit as most of your political posts.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

How different the election would have been if the DNC hadn't fucked over Bernie? Bernie had a much better chance of beating Trump by more than Princess Hillary and in the three states that pushed Trump over the top, more people defected from Bernie to Trump than the margin of victory!

How many other Democrats would have won if the DNC hadn't pissed off so many voters? Perhaps the Senate would have a Democratic majority?[/QUOTE]



Yes, the old out of touch communist would have had a much better shot...Well, you can blame the Democrats for their fine stage management. Also during the first term of President Obama, they had a majority and still squandered it.

 

[John Blackhawk]

How different the election would have been if the DNC hadn't fucked over Bernie? Bernie had a much better chance of beating Trump by more than Princess Hillary and in the three states that pushed Trump over the top, more people defected from Bernie to Trump than the margin of victory!

How many other Democrats would have won if the DNC hadn't pissed off so many voters? Perhaps the Senate would have a Democratic majority?

Yes, the old out of touch communist would have had a much better shot...Well, you can blame the Democrats for their fine stage management. Also during the first term of President Obama, they had a majority and still squandered it.[/QUOTE]

Yea this is kinda what i've been arguing, and its not Princess Hillary its EMPRESS HILLARY

 

[sr71plt]

Again, it's fun to watch Hillary still having the power to make her opponents soil their panties.

 

[John Blackhawk]

Again, it's fun to watch Hillary still having the power to make her opponents soil their panties.

Well you can't blame any of the dem candidates who dropped out too hard. I mean who would actually WANT to go up against the clinton political war machine? and when i say war machine i'm talking about those tall tau warhammer 40k mechs as badass as they would be in real life.

 

[sr71plt]

Again, it's amusing how scared folks like you are of Hillary. Completely justifies her hanging around.

 

[John Blackhawk]

Again, it's amusing how scared folks like you are of Hillary. Completely justifies her hanging around.

who said i was afraid? i was just making an observation.

 

[sr71plt]

Yep, just love how they keep bringing Hillary up. She's got them scared shitless. I imagine they would have been pushed over the edge if the Russians, Republican Swiftboaters, and tiny states with the extra electoral votes and not much in the way of brains hadn't negated her 3 million popular votes winning margin.

 

[ishtat]

New Boots?

Now Bernie supporters. Which of you has bought a new pair of boots to use for all your enthusiastic footslogging canvassing ahead of the 2018 polls?

What will you actually do (chat excluded) to help get your guys & gals elected right down the ticket?

 

[Hypoxia]

What will you actually do (chat excluded) to help get your guys & gals elected right down the ticket?

Do? That takes long-term effort. The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy has worked for years on local control. School, fire, and sanitation district boards, town councils, county supervisors -- load-em with reactionary assholes. Set agendas. Run things.

Libs are lazy. Our liberal (and responsive) female county supervisor beat the local Good Ol' Boys only because she had a vivid community issue to push, not because she had a party network backing her. I don't see the county (D) committee making efforts for local control. That guarantees losing. Duh.

The national parties are nonprofits incorporated in Delaware and possessing local, state, and national infrastructures -- building, people, contracts. Local level collapse doesn't seem to bother the central committees much. It should.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't see the county (D) committee making efforts for local control. That guarantees losing. Duh.

I don't see how that applies to Bernie Sanders, who is neither a Democrat nor a supporter of Democrats up and down the line.

 

[Hypoxia]

I don't see how that applies to Bernie Sanders, who is neither a Democrat nor a supporter of Democrats up and down the line.

I suspect a quantity of Bernie's Babies have designs on overthrowing (D) leadership. If so, they'd better start at the bottom and work up.

 

[sr71plt]

I suspect a quantity of Bernie's Babies have designs on overthrowing (D) leadership. If so, they'd better start at the bottom and work up.

I think it's more likely that they have designs to gin up their own party--and maybe to take over the Democrat name later if the existing party goes under. I don't think Bernie will help them take over the name, though. He didn't have enough regard for it to change his affiliation as an Independent all the time he was trying to steal the DNC's organization.

 

[Hypoxia]

I doubt either Gups or Dums will "go under" as nonprofit corporations. The parties ride on massive infrastructures. Insurgents trying to wrest control from the minions of corporate 'donors' face lousy odds. Bernie-ites vying for control must work from the ground up. Take the county and state committees that choose delegates for conventions.

 

[sr71plt]

Bernie-ites vying for control must work from the ground up. Take the county and state committees that choose delegates for conventions.

That's what they needed to do in 2016 too, but they didn't do it. As with not being able to discern what is nice to have but is pie-in-the-sky to actually be able to get in policies, I don't think they have a clue on how to build support in Congress--or even realize you have to if you want to actually get anything done.

 

[JackLuis]

Bernie Sanders’ Health Care Debate Was a Good Idea for a Very Simple Reason
He’s not who Republicans think he is.

It continued like this for an hour. Sanders and Klobuchar returned again and again to the Congressional Budget Office analysis that showed that Graham-Cassidy would throw millions off health insurance. In defense, Graham and Cassidy couldn’t really say what their bill would do, because the entire point of their proposal is to change Obamacare’s spending into block grants and let governors and state legislators decide for themselves how health funds should be spent. Sanders pointed out that governors and state legislators had all pretty much decided before Obamacare that people with pre-existing conditions were on their own. Graham didn’t have much to say about that. Instead, he and Cassidy frequently tried to make hay out of Sanders’ politics.

Rethugs couldn't explain why their bill was superior, only that it would allow Rethug Gov's to skim some cream.

 

[sr71plt]

I didn't watch. It seemed obvious where any actual discussion on this would go.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I doubt either Gups or Dums will "go under" as nonprofit corporations. The parties ride on massive infrastructures. Insurgents trying to wrest control from the minions of corporate 'donors' face lousy odds. Bernie-ites vying for control must work from the ground up. Take the county and state committees that choose delegates for conventions.

Working on it.

 

[JackLuis]

Fact Check: Hillary’s Criticisms Of Bernie In ‘What Happened’

In conclusion: "Hillary Clinton is the reason Hillary Lot the Election."

Yep!

 

[sr71plt]

No matter how often you post that, I'll note that the skewing of the Electoral College is why she lost. She beat the next closest contender by three million votes in the general election--after already whipping your idol, Bernie, in the primary.

I haven't been a fan of the Clintons, but naïve fanatics like you certainly push me to pointing out the obvious. She was Swiftboated by rabid Republicans for two decades and, despite that, was still the best qualified and most likely to not be a Trump of all of the candidates in this election. Bernie would have been just as much a legislative zero as Trump has been--for the same reason. He's an inept outsider. the difference between him and Trump is that Bernie has actually been in Congress for a decade and gotten nothing done.

 

[Trumpire]

who said i was afraid? i was just making an observation.

Check the post by "pilot" you quoted again. They referred to people who "are of Hillary", never writing what they are of her.

Also, they should notice I only brought her up this time in a quote of them, as it seems to me they bring her up as much as anyone, if not more.

On a side-note, maybe I do bring her up a lot... The same way I do my Lunch when I'm sick (of SR, Hill, people who complain about Trump &/or don't realize Hill instead of Bernie is part of the reason Don got the job).

 

[John Blackhawk]

Check the post by "pilot" you quoted again. They referred to people who "are of Hillary", never writing what they are of her.

Also, they should notice I only brought her up this time in a quote of them, as it seems to me they bring her up as much as anyone, if not more.

On a side-note, maybe I do bring her up a lot... The same way I do my Lunch when I'm sick (of SR, Hill, people who complain about Trump &/or don't realize Hill instead of Bernie is part of the reason Don got the job).

Well admittedly i think you're right Bernie is also part of the reason Trump got the job. Because if he had managed to urge the "Bernie or nothing" voters to support "she who shall not be named" i'm almost willing to buy the arguement that would have changed things.

 

[JackLuis]

No matter how often you post that, I'll note that the skewing of the Electoral College is why she lost. She beat the next closest contender by three million votes in the general election--after already whipping your idol, Bernie, in the primary.

I haven't been a fan of the Clintons, but naïve fanatics like you certainly push me to pointing out the obvious. She was Swiftboated by rabid Republicans for two decades and, despite that, was still the best qualified and most likely to not be a Trump of all of the candidates in this election. Bernie would have been just as much a legislative zero as Trump has been--for the same reason. He's an inept outsider. the difference between him and Trump is that Bernie has actually been in Congress for a decade and gotten nothing done.

As I have said, the electoral college has been a fact in our election process since the beginning an She negelected to address the three states she lost in, probably because she had such a lead in NY and California. Some say because the Demo's rigged them for her in the primaries.

I have asked several times what makes you think she was the most qualified? As far as I can see she has never been a leader, always a cheerleader for someone else's ideas.

 

[Trumpire]

Well admittedly i think you're right Bernie is also part of the reason Trump got the job. Because if he had managed to urge the "Bernie or nothing" voters to support "she who shall not be named" i'm almost willing to buy the arguement that would have changed things.

Glad you agree with me, but it's not mutual... I for one was a Sanders supporter, & if I recall right, they were both in the race most of the time, so most who supported him did it b/c-or-despite her being a choice. I read a headline on one site that said he was telling his supporters to back her, & I (aloud) said, "Not Gonna Happen".

If he head run for the Dems instead of her, I feel assured we'd have a male Pres. right now, but not one with a toupee or related to a former President.