Big Brother goes after vitamins

Cheyenne

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Writing on the Wall

Imagine dropping by your favorite health food store to find it boarded up and out of business. So you go around to your local drug mart to pick up some vitamin C, but the only dosage on the shelf is ridiculously low. The druggist informs you that 60 mg is now the maximum dosage available without a prescription. So if you've been taking a mega dosage of vitamin C to help fight heart disease or build up your immunity against cancer, you'll have to find a doctor willing to prescribe that dosage - you're no longer free to decide on your own how much of this natural vitamin you want to take.

Sounds like a nightmare? It gets worse.

Imagine that all of this is the result of new legislation imposed by
lawmakers with direct ties to pharmaceutical companies - powerful companies that will use the law to create an enormous new source of profits. Now that's a real nightmare. But what makes it truly nightmarish is that, incredibly, it will soon become a reality in the United Kingdom and most of Europe - if the global pharmaceutical industry has its way.

Outlawing prevention

On March 13th the European Parliament - a 626-member legislative body representing the 15 European Union countries - passed the "EU Directive on Dietary Supplements," which classifies vitamins as medical drugs rather than food supplements. The Directive grants a transition period of three years for vitamin supplements already on the market. But in 2005, every EU country will be required to implement the Directive.

As it currently stands, in just three years a wide range of natural remedies will be banned across most of Europe, making as many as 300 ingredients - including chromium picolinate, yeast, lysine, and selenium - illegal for over-the-counter sale. Other supplements that remain in stores will contain very low dosage amounts - not enough to provide any real therapeutic value.

It's almost like they're passing a law against prevention. So not only are the pharmaceutical companies eliminating competition from natural products for treating illnesses, they are essentially forcing greater need for prescription products for citizens of the EU. After all, without prevention, where will people be forced to turn when they get even the slightest bit ill? To physicians who will prescribe mainstream pharmaceuticals or super-strength, prescription-only vitamins supplied by - guess who - the Pfizers, Mercks, and Bayers of the world.


Nothing strange about these bedfellows

To make things even worse, a number of European Union Commissioners have direct links to international pharmaceutical companies. For instance, a prominent EU Commissioner, Frits Bolkenstein of the Netherlands, is also a member of the supervisory board of the second largest pharmaceutical company
in the world - Merck, Sharp and Dohme. The blatant pharmaceutical industry influence on this directive would be laughable if the consequences weren't so great.

In a smooth double-speak that's almost frightening, the EU Directive states: "In order to ensure a high level of protection for consumers and facilitate their choice, the products that will be put on the market must be safe and bear adequate and appropriate labeling."

The good news is that the "consumers" are not buying it. "Protection?" To "facilitate their choice?" More than 600 million people read that and shouted back a resounding, "No!" In what is believed to be the largest global online petition ever, a staggering 604 million people (to date) have added their names, demanding continued free access to natural remedies.


Lend your voice - no matter where you live

I have signed the petition and I encourage you to do so too if you believe the availability of natural supplements should not be controlled by the international pharmaceutical industry. Anyone can sign the petition - you don't have to be a citizen of a European Union nation to add your name - and you can find more information and read the petition at www.vitamins-for-all.org. This web site was created by Dr. Matthias Rath, a leading researcher in the field of natural treatments for cancer, and one of
the most prominent campaigners against the EU Directive

And for those of you who think this is a European issue - that this couldn't happen here - consider this: the United States and the European Union are each other's largest trade and investment partners. In 2000, two-way trade in goods and services between the EU and the US totaled more than $557 billion. With economic ties this deep, any European law that gives the global pharmaceutical industry such sweeping power over the health choices of millions, will have global effects. Once they've conquered Europe, how long before they set their sights on the US marketplace? Just look at recent directives from the FDA; it's already happening.

The EU Directive is not yet law. Our HSI associates in London believe that by the time the Directive is implemented in 2005 there's a chance that the most oppressive aspects of the legislation might be eliminated, especially if enough people raise their voices and mobilize against it. But you can be certain that the Commissioners of the European Parliament, with special
interests and billions of dollars in the balance, will not back down without a prolonged fight.

In the meantime, we'll be watching, and I'll keep you informed of
developments as they unfold. And we encourage you to sign the petition demanding open, unrestricted access to natural medicine and supplements for ALL of us.

To Your Good Health,
Jenny Thompson

Health Sciences Institute

Sources:
Health Confidential; May 2002, Vol 1, No 3
European Union "Directive on Dietary Supplements," www.healthchoice.org.uk
European Union in the US: www.eurunion.org
Petition 450/2001: www.vitamins-for-all.org

Copyright © 1997-2002 by Institute of Health Sciences, L.L.C.
 
cool cheyenne this is almost like a bobtoad777 'told ya so'

remember when I said this was going to come to head over a year ago.

everyone laffed it off as such a great little joke by that nutcase Todd
 
Todd-'o'-Vision said:
cool cheyenne this is almost like a bobtoad777 'told ya so'

remember when I said this was going to come to head over a year ago.

Sorry, I don't remember.
 
The government(s) have been turning on the heat on vitamins and health food for about ten years. When they and the drug makers have pushed out the needed amount of propaganda questioning health products, they strike with these sort of laws. It amazes me how stupid the general population(s) are to this trick. The government(s) create the hysteria, and then they provide the "cure"! Thanks for the reminder about this, hopefully we can get rid of these morons. Of course, they won't be happy until all we do is work, pay taxes, and die like the expendable products they treat us like.
 
I just drink a bottle of Tropicana or Dole juice....the right flavor mixes can provide all the Vit C, A, and 20% of E for the day....
 
More Euro madness.

Europe, like Britain is governed by control freaks who think that they all know better than the voters. Why people vote for them is one of life's great mysteries.

Euro legislators won't be happy until the can tax or regulate everything including our farts!
 
I like that bluespoke, a flatulence tax.

Actually, it's already hit us, Cheyenne, over here. Paracetamol uses to be sold in bottles of 100 for about 80p. Then they decided to protect us from our own chice to overdose, so they thought, by limiting sales to 1 pack of 16 per person. This quadrupled the price but not the availability since you can go from one chemists to another - you can pick them up in supermarkets - so the main effect is to make them more expensive.

I suppose it means that there are not a lot of paracetamol lying around in bathroom cabinets.
 
Remember when Starfish gave herself copper poisoning from overdoing the vitamin tablets. High doses of certain minerals and vitamins can do more harm than a deficiency. Thats the kind of thing this legislation is designed to solve.To bring all the ranges of complementary medicine under the same rules of safety and product testing as mainline medicine. There are too many quacks with no medical training around, selling their untested cure-alls.
Don't forget a visit to a Doctor is free in the UK. He may find the actual cause of your problem, before you waste a lot of money on over the counter medicines that do you no good at all.
 
Forget any spurious claim that this is in the interests of the consumer.

The only interests to benefit from this are the drugs companies and the Eurocrats on their lucrative gravy train.

Having succeeded here, the drugs companies' next move is bound to be to the USA!
 
I take one multi-vitamin a day, at my doctor's recommendation. I buy them in a bottle of 300 at a time though, because it is cheaper than the bottles of 50, etc. Limiting the number will just make it more expensive, not change the amount I will take. I don't know if these are covered in the new regulations or not, however.

I also take glucosamine chondroitin, a dietary supplement, for my joints. Again, at my doctor's recommendation. But since it is available over the counter, it isn't covered by my health insurance. Maybe if it were a prescription, it would actually be cheaper for me to obtain. I pay $7 per prescription (a 30 day supply, usually.) Over the counter, this stuff is about $17 for a 50 day supply.
 
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Cheyenne said:

I also take glucosamine chondroitin, a dietary supplement, for my joints. Again, at my doctor's recommendation. But since it is available over the counter, it isn't covered by my health insurance. Maybe if it were a prescription, it would actually be cheaper for me to obtain. I pay $7 per prescription (a 30 day supply, usually.) Over the counter, this stuff is about $17 for a 50 day supply.

My dear when your insurance company picks up part of your Rx costs, where do you think that they get the money? Even if your employeer picks up most of your insurance costs, isn't that money that is accounted for as part of your compensation package?
 
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Samuari said:


My dear when your insurance company picks up part of your Rx costs, where do you think that they get the money? Even if your employeer picks up most of your insurance costs, isn't that money that is accounted for as part of your compensation package?

??? Do you mean included in my compensation package as in charged to me on my W-2 as compensation? No, it is not.

The company is self insured. It pays the medical, dental, etc. through an administrator who handles all the paperwork for a fee. This is a cost of the company doing business included in cost of operations, but the cost reimbursed for me directly is not part of my "compensation package."

Also, in most cases, the cost to the company is MUCH less than I would pay on my own to the doctors. We use Blue Cross/Blue Shield as the provider, and they have low negotiated rates for doctors, tests, etc. that someone from just off the street could not get. I'm amazed at the negotiated discounts when I get my insurance forms back showing what the plan paid and what my portion is that is due.
 
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Cheyenne said:


??? Do you mean included in my compensation package as in charged to me on my W-2 as compensation? No, it is not.

The company is self insured. It pays the medical, dental, etc. through an administrator who handles all the paperwork for a fee. This is a cost of the company doing business included in cost of operations, but the cost reimbursed for me directly is not part of my "compensation package."

Also, in most cases, the cost to the company is MUCH less than I would pay on my own to the doctors. We use Blue Cross/Blue Shield as the provider, and they have low negotiated rates for doctors, tests, etc. that someone from just off the street could not get. I'm amazed at the negotiated discounts when I get my insurance forms back showing what the plan paid and what my portion is that is due.



Now I know why I prefer our National Health Service!
 
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bluespoke said:




Now I know why I prefer our National Health Service!

But I can go where I want and when I want for $10.

If I don't like one doctor, I can pick another. If I need a specialist, I can go anywhere I like.
 
TANSTAAFL

I think that we are mixing peas and carrots and trying to get orange juice.

All that I was trying to say is that there is no free lunch. Someone ultimately pays for your perscriptions: you, your self insured company, the governmant, other customer's that pay higher prices because they don't have insurance. But the simple fact is that someone pays.

The other point is that when your company goes out to hire someone, the total benefits package is included as part of that person's compensation, and in my company is acconted for individually. At the end of the the fiscal year I get a statement that shows what my total compensation was, including benefits package, and, (since we are allso self insured) how much was paid by the company for my families health claims.
 
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Samuari said:

The other point is that when your company goes out to hire someone, the total benefits package is included as part of that person's compensation, and in my company is acconted for individually. At the end of the the fiscal year I get a statement that shows what my total compensation was, including benefits package, and, since we are allso self insured) how much was paid by the company for my families health claims.

Nah, that is just a old Human Resources department trick. Very effective, too. They gather any cost they can attribute to you by any stretch of the imagination and put in on one sheet of paper to point out to you just how much they pay for you during the year. It is often a ploy to keep raises low, since it gets the employee thinking about total dollars, not just paychecks.

In reality, the "accounting" has not changed. Your W-2 still shows only your wages (and a few exceptions for payments for insurance over certain limits, etc.) The other costs are still accounted for by the company as normal costs of operations. Do they vary by headcount? Of course. But so do a lot of other costs of doing business.
 
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Cheyenne said:


But I can go where I want and when I want for $10.

If I don't like one doctor, I can pick another. If I need a specialist, I can go anywhere I like.

I don't pay. If I don't like the doctor, I change. If I don't like the specialist I ask for a second opinion. All for nothing.
 
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