Bernie!

[Boxlicker101]

Bernie Sanders Is Now the 'Inevitable' Democratic Nominee and Presidential Winner

HuffPo

The GOP hopes the first part is right. http://news.yahoo.com/why-top-republicans-working-doggedly-help-bernie-sanders-204057214.html

So do I. Silly Hilly would probably be more electable, because Bernie would go down to defeat in one of the biggest landslides in History

 

[Sean Renaud]

The GOP hopes the first part is right. http://news.yahoo.com/why-top-republicans-working-doggedly-help-bernie-sanders-204057214.html

So do I. Silly Hilly would probably be more electable, because Bernie would go down to defeat in one of the biggest landslides in History

Hillary would thump anybody the Right currently has running which is why the hail mary on the emails is a thing.

Bernie may have a chance, I do believe he would be able to beat Trump in a general election and Republicans seem bound and determined to commit suicide.

 

[sr71plt]

Shouldn't be too influenced by what happens in Iowa and New Hampshire. Both are strange states with miniscule nomination power. The juggernaut starts in South Carolina.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The GOP hopes the first part is right. http://news.yahoo.com/why-top-republicans-working-doggedly-help-bernie-sanders-204057214.html

So do I. Silly Hilly would probably be more electable, because Bernie would go down to defeat in one of the biggest landslides in History

https://shaunynews.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-because-you-just-might-get-it-167947.png

 

[BoyNextDoor]

If I were Secretary Clinton, and I had started this campaign as the inevitable, kind-of-anointed candidate of the Democratic party and I started 50 points up, and today I'm struggling to win in Iowa, struggling to win in New Hampshire ... I would be nervous.

-> Bernie Sanders

 

[Boxlicker101]

If I were Secretary Clinton, and I had started this campaign as the inevitable, kind-of-anointed candidate of the Democratic party and I started 50 points up, and today I'm struggling to win in Iowa, struggling to win in New Hampshire ... I would be nervous.

-> Bernie Sanders

He's right, but I would think Hilly should be even more nervous about possible indictments for her actions as Sec. of State. It's hard to campaign from inside a prison, even Club Fed.

 

[JackLuis]

He's right, but I would think Hilly should be even more nervous about possible indictments for her actions as Sec. of State. It's hard to campaign from inside a prison, even Club Fed.

Shit! if they won't indite Cheney and "W" for War Crimes do you think they will indite a former first lady and Senator and Sec State for anything less than gutting Ted Cruz and/or Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor? Though for Cruz she might get the Medal of Freedom from the RNC.

HRC is in the protected class. Ain't shit going to happen to her. The Dept of Justice is wimpy when it comes to pols.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Shit! if they won't indite Cheney and "W" for War Crimes do you think they will indite a former first lady and Senator and Sec State for anything less than gutting Ted Cruz and/or Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor? Though for Cruz she might get the Medal of Freedom from the RNC.

HRC is in the protected class. Ain't shit going to happen to her. The Dept of Justice is wimpy when it comes to pols.

Nixon was never indicted for anything, let alone convicted. Even so his reputation has been permanently blackened by accusations.

 

[JackLuis]

Nixon was never indicted for anything, let alone convicted. Even so his reputation has been permanently blackened by accusations.

He was only slightly sleazy compared to W and the Dick. Nixon also got a lot of good men killed, just so he could get reelected.

LBJ tried to get me killed but he also passed a lot of good legislation.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Hillary will be indicted if she sux in the early primary states. Obama will let it happen to get rid of her for Biden. If she fares well no indictment will come.

 

[JackLuis]

Hope grows at Vermont HQ that the ‘Bernie Sanders effect’ can go national

It is an unlikely-looking spot from which to plot a revolution. The third-floor suite in Burlington that serves as the national headquarters for Bernie Sanders’ insurgent presidential campaign in fact looks more like a small-town law office: surprisingly busy for a Friday evening, perhaps, but hardly the den of communist sympathisers some Democratic opponents claim it to be.

In contrast to his frontline base in a faded mall in Iowa , from where Sanders is threatening to upstage Hillary Clinton in next week’s Democratic caucus, the prosperous streets here in Vermont’s biggest city are buzzing with, well, capitalism – a legacy, say locals, of regeneration during the senator’s tenure as mayor in the 1980s.

There are still hints of what Sanders calls his “democratic socialism”. Public transport is unusually well developed for an American city of this size. French-language radio stations remind visitors of its proximity to Canada, whose single-payer healthcare system and family leave policies Sanders wants to emulate in the US.

 

[about_average]

I'm really disappointed in Sanders, he's backtracking on his vote for the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. He's lending support to a bill to repeal it.
Another pandering politician.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm really disappointed in Sanders, he's backtracking on his vote for the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. He's lending support to a bill to repeal it.
Another pandering politician.

Do you think he's lying? Cus I don't. As Chris Christie notes there is nothing wrong with changing your mind as you get more information, in fact not doing it is a sign of weakness.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

My understanding is the bill had many specific provisions Some he agreed with. For example, a small gun store owner should not be sued if you buy a gun there and go kill someone with that gun because there was no reasonable expectation for the gun seller to know the gun was going to be used in a crime.

Others he did not agree with, like the law being used to protect gun manufacturers from the inadequate design of the safety mechanism. Making changes so that the law is not used that way makes sense to me. Just like the owner of a small gun shop not being sued because some douchebag lawfully bought a gun that the NRA made it possible for them to buy, and they kill an innocent.

I do not believe that qualifies as pandering. I think it qualifies as Clinton spending many tens of millions of dollars to pick a nit which is getting some measure of response.

 

[sr71plt]

Do you think he's lying? Cus I don't. As Chris Christie notes there is nothing wrong with changing your mind as you get more information, in fact not doing it is a sign of weakness.

I'm disappointed that he (and Hillary on her Iraq war vote) doesn't take an entirely different tack than saying he's changed his mind (but I think that "changed my mind on the basis of new evidence" is perfectly acceptable too). In both Bernie's gun vote and Hillary's Iraq war vote, their vote was in tune with the obvious preponderate positions of their constituencies at the time. (In Hillary's case, she was a U.S. senator from New York; she hardly could take a pacifistic stand in the wake of 9/11, even if she were inclined to do so).

I think it's quite legitimate for a representative, having a clear understanding of the will of their constituency, to vote that way even if it isn't their personal preference--and to say that was what they did/were doing.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm disappointed that he (and Hillary on her Iraq war vote) doesn't take an entirely different tack than saying he's changed his mind (but I think that "changed my mind on the basis of new evidence" is perfectly acceptable too). In both Bernie's gun vote and Hillary's Iraq war vote, their vote was in tune with the obvious preponderate positions of their constituencies at the time. (In Hillary's case, she was a U.S. senator from New York; she hardly could take a pacifistic stand in the wake of 9/11, even if she were inclined to do so).

I think it's quite legitimate for a representative, having a clear understanding of the will of their constituency, to vote that way even if it isn't their personal preference--and to say that was what they did/were doing.

Maybe I'm a sucker on for Bernie on that because I believe him when he said he got new information. As for Hillary I think she's a hawk. But as you state she was a New Yorker and couldn't not support a war against Islam. . .Iraq at that time. But I don't believe she was inclined to. I think America as a whole has turned on Iraq as more information has come out but she should have been privy to MOST of that already.

 

[about_average]

What is this "new evidence" mentioned? Is there some loophole that is allowing them to go unpunished when they've been negligent or broken the law?

I don't know if he's lying, but the new bill guts the old one. The only thing left from the old one still in effect is requiring safety locks/devices on new guns. So none of the protections, that Sanders is supposedly in favor of, are left.

Here's one of the sections of the old law

Negligent entrustment.--As used in subparagraph
(A)(ii), the term ``negligent entrustment'' means the
supplying of a qualified product by a seller for use by
another person when the seller knows, or reasonably
should know, the person to whom the product is supplied
is likely to, and does, use the product in a manner
involving unreasonable risk of physical injury to the
person or others.

So it doesn't protect them even if they should have know the person was going to commit mayhem.

The original bill also did not protect dealers and manufactures if they violated the law or sold defective weapons. The only reason that people sue dealers and manufactures is trying to penalize a business for selling something that is perfectly legal.

After the Aurora shooting people tried to sue the business that sold the bullets.
Friday two men ran from police in Atlanta and crashed in to another car killing the two people in the other car. Should family members sue the gas station where the criminals filled up or Chrysler, the company who made the car? No, and no one would do that.
But gun and ammo dealers are "legitimate" targets.

I'm for the most part opposed to laws preventing people from suing, but when people do nothing but abuse the court system for political reasons then I take a different position.

As far as representing his constituents, that's what he did on the fist bill. Now he's changing because it's a "safe" thing to do in the democratic party and he doesn't like Hillary attacking him about it.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Feel the Bern Hillary!

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I wonder if Wasserman is holding up the last 90 Caucuses so that Bernie can't declare victory tonight?

If he eeks out a victory by the final count in the morning he should give a victory speech from VT!

 

[NeonSubtlety]

Outside of Rubio, I don't especially fear republican victory. And if a democrat is inevitably to find a home in the white house, I'd rather it be Bernie. Neither he nor Hillary will undo the great strides made in the past few years. But if some great fortune should befall us in the next few congressional elections, we might see some election reform with Bernie at the helm. But, if Rubio is a player in the general election, I think I'll end up glad/wishing that Hillary got the nom.

 

[Sunshine]

Wining by .2% is not really a "victory".

 

[Eyereadtoo]

Wining by .2% is not really a "victory".

I don't think so either, but "The Hill" came off to me as if she won the power ball lottery last night. New Hampshire is going to be a much different story for Camp Clinton and, hopefully, a punch in the proverbial gut to the democratic establishment that seem to believe that the Oval Office is the ultimate lifetime achievement award and they alone get to choose the recipient.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Bernie was established as a viable candidate last night in Iowa...

...and Trump was exposed the shallow media-creation he is.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Bernie was established as a viable candidate last night in Iowa...

...and Trump was exposed the shallow media-creation he is.

I agree with what you said about Bernie, although I don't believe he will get very far in future primaries. I consider Trump to be a world-class asshole, and I doubt I will ever vote for him, but he did finish a strong second yesterday. More will be learned from the SC primary.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't think so either, but "The Hill" came off to me as if she won the power ball lottery last night. New Hampshire is going to be a much different story for Camp Clinton and, hopefully, a punch in the proverbial gut to the democratic establishment that seem to believe that the Oval Office is the ultimate lifetime achievement award and they alone get to choose the recipient.

Even though that's exactly what it should be in a just world I'm happy they are wrong too.