Bernie!

[RobDownSouth]

The economy is doing better than it was back then, though many Americans aren't feeling it yet.

And that, friends, has become the story of this election season.

Democrats have been castigating working-class white folks for voting against their own best economic interests for years. Be careful what you ask for: that demographic has finally woken up to the realization that Murica is doing much better economically (stock market, interest rates, unemployment, etc) but they personally are not seeing one damned bit of this improvement.

The Republican elites cheerfully ignored this growing resentment, carefully pandering to the religious right while positioning a social moderate in the quote establishment lane unquote.

The playbook called for letting the unwashed masses vent their anger in the primaries (Rand Paul, Donald Trump, Mike Huckabee, "Doctor" Ben Carson, etc) then coalesce around a "mainstream" candidate like Rubio or Jeb! Then there'd be moar tax cuts for the billionaires, and everyone of any note would be happy.

Didn't quite work out that way.

We now have a Democratic Best Case Scenario: A deeply unpopular Republican front runner in The Donald, with the only viable alternative the deeply unpopular Ted Cruz.

Right now, it appears that the Democrats will win big in November. If they can take the Senate, they can now do what President Obama has absolutely failed to do: stock the Federal judiciary with liberals. This will give social conservatives a well deserved kick to the genitals, as social conservatives have relied almost exclusively on judicial activism to enact policies that they cannot get passed into law via Congress.

Nothing but good times ahead!!

 

[BoyNextDoor]

With all the democrats working against him saying that over and over again I'm surprised he did as well as he has.

Agreed.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

The playbook called for letting the unwashed masses vent their anger in the primaries (Rand Paul, Donald Trump, Mike Huckabee, "Doctor" Ben Carson, etc) then coalesce around a "mainstream" candidate like Rubio or Jeb! Then there'd be moar tax cuts for the billionaires, and everyone of any note would be happy.

Didn't quite work out that way.

We now have a Democratic Best Case Scenario: A deeply unpopular Republican front runner in The Donald, with the only viable alternative the deeply unpopular Ted Cruz.

Right now, it appears that the Democrats will win big in November. If they can take the Senate, they can now do what President Obama has absolutely failed to do: stock the Federal judiciary with liberals. This will give social conservatives a well deserved kick to the genitals, as social conservatives have relied almost exclusively on judicial activism to enact policies that they cannot get passed into law via Congress.

Nothing but good times ahead!!

Yeah, right. With Hillary there will not only be moar tax cuts for the billionaires, but gay billionaires will be able to marry and have abortions. The rest of us will be living under the freeway overpasses, celebrating the new social liberalism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

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Right now, it appears that the Democrats will win big in November. If they can take the Senate, they can now do what President Obama has absolutely failed to do: stock the Federal judiciary with liberals. This will give social conservatives a well deserved kick to the genitals, as social conservatives have relied almost exclusively on judicial activism to enact policies that they cannot get passed into law via Congress.

Nothing but good times ahead!!

I bet she does just like Obama....gets into office and turns so centrist you would swear she was a Republican.

She's not going to stock the judiciary with liberals...she probably won't even sign any liberal laws or veto many if anything the Republicans put in front of her.

She's not a progressive liberal...she's a Goldman Sachs employee.... Mitt Romney in a pant suit and I'll bet one of the farms she behaves like it when she gets there.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I bet she does just like Obama....gets into office and turns so centrist you would swear she was a Republican.

She's not going to stock the judiciary with liberals...she probably won't even sign any liberal laws or veto many if anything the Republicans put in front of her.

She's not a progressive liberal...she's a Goldman Sachs employee.... Mitt Romney in a pant suit and I'll bet one of the farms she behaves like it when she gets there.

I'll take that bet.

Hilary has always been a political weathervane. When it was kewl to be conservative, she voted conservatively (Iraq vote). Populism is surging back in style, so surprise surprise she's a neo-populist now.

She has to know if it wasn't for certain demographics (Hispanics and blacks particularly) she'd be losing to Bernie and his bros.

If and when Hillary is elected look for a LOT of minority-friendly policies. I suspect we'll see a torrent of Hispanic and black judicial candidates the likes of which God has not seen.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If and when Hillary is elected look for a LOT of minority-friendly policies. I suspect we'll see a torrent of Hispanic and black judicial candidates the likes of which God has not seen.

Oh I'm sure she'll make all kinds of grand PC gestures and make some useless #BLM law up that really doesn't do a fuckin' thing and get it passed for feel goodz. Every politician shoots their supporters some sunshine that's cool.

And good for the elite minorities that get appointments/nominations/selections/whatevaz from her for high positions.

Cool....

But that's not what's important, what's important is the money.

Will she turn around and fuck the people who are about to drop a billion+ on her campaign? Use the power of government to get some of that trickle down going??

Or will she point to them and go "Look, things are improving the economy is better!" while her lemmings cheer and the majority of working poor/stagnated middle class are all wondering what the fuck she's talking about?

I think we will get classic sell out politician sweet nothings whispered in our ears while the upper crust continues to fuck the rest of the country to death. The wealth will continue to concentrate up top faster and bigger than ever. Maybe I'm wrong...hopefully I am. But my guts tell me I've got a good chance of being right about Hillary.....or maybe that's just a fart, damn it, can't confidently trust either one

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't recall Obama shooting me any sunshine. He occasionally shows up late the party and fronts like he hosted that bitch but legit sunshine? Naw. Now we can debate WHY he didn't but still

We'll see what she does with minimum wage, she seems to be on board with that one and I don't have a lot of reason to doubt she means that.

The rest of course I expect par for the course at best.

PS: I guess we could count Keystone Pipeline as Obama throwing some sunshine. Though given the state it was supposed to run through it was an (R) state and THEY didn't want the pipeline it can easily be claimed Obama didn't captain that ship. But at least he was on board the entire time unlike say gay marriage where he teetered between opposing it and being quiet until the fighting was over. Or weed legalization where he teetered between openly opposing it and quietly opposing it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't recall Obama shooting me any sunshine. He occasionally shows up late the party and fronts like he hosted that bitch but legit sunshine? Naw. Now we can debate WHY he didn't but still

We'll see what she does with minimum wage, she seems to be on board with that one and I don't have a lot of reason to doubt she means that.

The rest of course I expect par for the course at best.

PS: I guess we could count Keystone Pipeline as Obama throwing some sunshine. Though given the state it was supposed to run through it was an (R) state and THEY didn't want the pipeline it can easily be claimed Obama didn't captain that ship. But at least he was on board the entire time unlike say gay marriage where he teetered between opposing it and being quiet until the fighting was over. Or weed legalization where he teetered between openly opposing it and quietly opposing it.

What? We got Sotomayor!!!

Wars in the middle east got turned down from an 11 to a 4...maybe even a 3.5

And our piece of shit 1994 Ford Festiva HC system got some 15" spinners on it and they ONLY cost as much as a Bugatti! What a fuckin' DEAL!

Protected Monsanto instead of labeling GMO's like he promised but he 3 outta 4 ain't bad!! AmIrite or AMIRITE? OIMSORIGHT!

Never said the sunshine was legit....but there was all kinds of it.

Clinton will likely be the same.

We'll get 15/hr, but it will likely have a 10 year time frame to get there.

Some minority judges and appointments...

Maybe a fair pay act will get crammed through with all kinds of fuckery dripping off of it or another toothless 'assault weapons' ban that doesn't actually ban shit or even address the gun violence problem.

But that's gonna be about it....She's not going to gut check wall st, push for an end to citizens united, actually get the fuck out of the middle east, try any policies that might actually benefit the common people like ending the war on drugz (black people) or any REAL progressive shit either.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What? We got Sotomayor!!!

Wars in the middle east got turned down from an 11 to a 4...maybe even a 3.5

And our piece of shit 1994 Ford Festiva HC system got some 15" spinners on it and they ONLY cost as much as a Bugatti! What a fuckin' DEAL!

Protected Monsanto instead of labeling GMO's like he promised but he 3 outta 4 ain't bad!! AmIrite or AMIRITE? OIMSORIGHT!

Never said the sunshine was legit....but there was all kinds of it.

Okay I'll grant Sotomayor even though I have no reason to doubt any remotely D president would have done that.

The wars were dialing back on their own. If we're gonna give Obama props for war stuff it should be that he handed back drone strikes to Congress.

And oh your being sarcastic. Sorta. I missed whatever happened with Ford unless you mean the Bailout (which was Bush) but I'm not crying over the auto-industry still being there. I'm crying over them not being broken up.

And yeah with Monsanto and other GMOs that's a case of who do you want to be pissed at? The person who says they'll help and then either doesn't at all or only takes token gestures or the one who outright states he hates your guts and will either take no action or actions that fuck you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Okay I'll grant Sotomayor even though I have no reason to doubt any remotely D president would have done that.

The wars were dialing back on their own. If we're gonna give Obama props for war stuff it should be that he handed back drone strikes to Congress.

Yea...I kinda just wish he would have left when he said he would, hell I would have been fine with leaving when he said he did.

And oh your being sarcastic. Sorta. I missed whatever happened with Ford unless you mean the Bailout (which was Bush) but I'm not crying over the auto-industry still being there. I'm crying over them not being broken up.

No I'm comparing our shit HC system getting a TEENTSY bit better and still lining his insurance buddies pockets with astro-fucking-nomical amounts of money that could pay for UHC 3 times over.

I also equally blame the democrat congress critters who are every bit as responsible for that as Obama. They had the chance to literally shove UHC down the republicans throats....

But collectively they fucked us instead. Shit bag buddy fuckers......every time.

And yeah with Monsanto and other GMOs that's a case of who do you want to be pissed at? The person who says they'll help and then either doesn't at all or only takes token gestures or the one who outright states he hates your guts and will either take no action or actions that fuck you.

What is the difference?

That's like asking me if I like a rapist more or his buddy who's looking out and helping him get away with it....I can't honestly call one better than the other.

Can you?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

If and when Hillary is elected look for a LOT of minority-friendly policies. I suspect we'll see a torrent of Hispanic and black judicial candidates the likes of which God has not seen.

Hilarious. A lot of people thought that Obama would go for minority appointees, too.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What is the difference?

That's like asking me if I like a rapist more or his buddy who's looking out and helping him get away with it....I can't honestly call one better than the other.

Can you?

It's more like asking if you like the rapist more, or the rapist who brings you flowers, lube and cuddles you after. You don't have an option about getting raped but at least one of them tells you your pretty.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's more like asking if you like the rapist more, or the rapist who brings you flowers, lube and cuddles you after. You don't have an option about getting raped but at least one of them tells you your pretty.

Flattery is nice for some but I'm hung up on the rape and still think a pair of pliers is and a blow torch is the best way to fix Mr.Rapist.

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I was hoping the people would send Sanders in with the samurai sword.....
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but they got a thing for Zed....they love him....
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But I want Zed to be dead and I want to steal his bike after I let the homies at him with the pliers and blowtorch.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I like it when people tell me I'm pretty.

Besides the residents of New York took your pliers.

 

[JackLuis]

You guys are counting Bernie out because of New York, yet Hillary only gained a 33 delegate edge, not counting Supers. Now it's 1428 to 1153 or a 275 delegate margin.

Over 1400 delegated still to be selected. If Democrats stopped voting for "personalities" and voted for their own interests, Hillz could go down in flames.

And yeah I know the Supers are apparatchiks, but they could come to their senses if the Rethug's fuck Drumpf and Cruz, and select Kasich or Ryan, or someone sane.

Bernie does need to get smarter though. He fumble fucked the question about Rosie invoking Monica's name. Rosie was talking about bullying, not blow jobs. But Bernie couldn't raise the issue because he didn't listen to what Rosie said. Evidently he's not even close to being a "Rocket Scientist."

Of course Hillz is not that much smarter. She said Blow Jobs don't count.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Our interest is in winning not being moral so a very real argument can be made its in our best interest to vote Hillary from the get go. Iv'e decided to go honor over reason this go around but that doesn't make me smart.

 

[sr71plt]

I count Bernie out because he both grossly overstates what can be done and has no track record of getting anything done at all. I mean other than stealing a party without paying any dues to that party and bamboozling a lot of gullible people with pie in the sky.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I count Bernie out because he both grossly overstates what can be done and has no track record of getting anything done at all. I mean other than stealing a party without paying any dues to that party and bamboozling a lot of gullible people with pie in the sky.

Hey did you hear the good news your buddy one of the Koch brothers all but endorsed Hillary!!

I wonder when they will start throwing (R)odham money.......

 

[sr71plt]

I'll leave the tin-foil-hatted conspiracy theories like that to you. By backing Bernie you didn't expect anything to happen for the next eight years anyway--other than maybe the old guy kicking off and leaving it to a vice president who actually has the ability to get something done.

Despite your nasty continuing shoving her at me, I don't support someone because I like them but because they are the most likely to get more done in the direction I think the government should go than who isn't and/or who, like Sanders, obviously is too extreme and hasn't shown the capability or willingness to get enough backing on anything other than naming two post offices.

You're the one being a dummy and chump on this. So, you can just pack it in. The man's losing anyway. So are you and none of your bluster is going to stop that.

And now, since you're impotent on this issue, it's probably time for you to revert to obscene name calling again. Yeah, like that will mean anything.

 

[JackLuis]

America’s democracy is rigged against Independent voters

Now, consider the fact that according to reports,
"only 19.7 percent of eligible New Yorkers cast a ballot, the second-lowest voter turnout among primary states after Louisiana, according to elections expert Michael McDonald".

This is not to mention the fact that even those who were registered Democrats and could not vote: "The Kings County Board of Elections purged 126,000 registered Democrats from the voting rolls in Brooklyn, prompting an outcry from Mayor Bill de Blasio and an audit from Comptroller Scott Stringer."

Whatever the cause of this "purge" (fraud or mishap), this is not the main calamity of the electoral process in the US.

The issue is the fact that less than 20 percent of eligible voters in a statewide election get to choose who the next presidential candidates in the US national elections would be.

The principle reason for this voter suppression is what they call in the US "closed primaries". What is a closed primary?

New York is among many other states that conduct what is called "closed primaries"; namely, they only allow voters who are registered members of a particular political party to vote in that party's primary.

It is not, therefore, accidental that much to the chagrin of Sanders and his massive supporters among independents, "

Clinton has won every state so far that's held a closed primary".

If, as a citizen, you followed the debates closely and came to the conclusion that Sanders is the candidate of your choice and not Clinton, you would not be allowed to vote for him unless months ago (long before you were familiar with Sanders or his ideas), you had applied to the Democratic Party and become a member.

It must be a rudimentary fact of any claim to democracy that if you are a citizen of a republic, you must be able to vote in any phase of any presidential (or any other) election simply by virtue of being a citizen.

But in this crucial phase of the US presidential primaries, these citizens are not allowed to vote unless and until they are card-carrying members of the political party conducting that primary.

"All animals are equal," indeed, as we learned from George Orwell's Animal Farm, "but some animals are more equal than others".

The Democratic Party, therefore, rules over this false claim to democracy the same way the Guardian Council of octogenarian Super Mullahs rules over the Islamic Republic.
See: Super Delegates
In other words, the free and fair formation of political parties that is supposed to be the finest fruit of a democracy has paradoxically degenerated into the most powerful impediment to democracy.

Pilot please name two bills that Hillary originated and passed in the Congress or two acts as Sec State that did not result in a cluster fuck? Her "experience" is underwhelming actually.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Donald!!!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Dont' be an independent. I'm sorry I feel absolutely no pity for people who refused to pick a side.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'll leave the tin-foil-hatted conspiracy theories like that to you.

It's not a conspiracy theory unless all the news outlets are in on it.

Despite your nasty continuing shoving her at me, I don't support someone because I like them but because they are the most likely to get more done in the direction I think the government should go

Yes, you and the Koch bros....and Sachs....and Morgan...and all the other too big to fail fuckers.

We got it SR, you fucking loathe the working class in this country.....it's cool! Apparently most Democrats do.

 

[JackLuis]

Dont' be an independent. I'm sorry I feel absolutely no pity for people who refused to pick a side.

I am a registered Democrat, because I like voting against Diane F. It doesn't do me any good but I like to protest shitheads.

 

[Boxlicker101]

America’s democracy is rigged against Independent voters


Quote:

Now, consider the fact that according to reports,
"only 19.7 percent of eligible New Yorkers cast a ballot, the second-lowest voter turnout among primary states after Louisiana, according to elections expert Michael McDonald".

This is not to mention the fact that even those who were registered Democrats and could not vote: "The Kings County Board of Elections purged 126,000 registered Democrats from the voting rolls in Brooklyn, prompting an outcry from Mayor Bill de Blasio and an audit from Comptroller Scott Stringer."

Whatever the cause of this "purge" (fraud or mishap), this is not the main calamity of the electoral process in the US.

The issue is the fact that less than 20 percent of eligible voters in a statewide election get to choose who the next presidential candidates in the US national elections would be.


Quote:

The principle reason for this voter suppression is what they call in the US "closed primaries". What is a closed primary?

New York is among many other states that conduct what is called "closed primaries"; namely, they only allow voters who are registered members of a particular political party to vote in that party's primary.

It is not, therefore, accidental that much to the chagrin of Sanders and his massive supporters among independents, "

Clinton has won every state so far that's held a closed primary".

If, as a citizen, you followed the debates closely and came to the conclusion that Sanders is the candidate of your choice and not Clinton, you would not be allowed to vote for him unless months ago (long before you were familiar with Sanders or his ideas), you had applied to the Democratic Party and become a member.

It must be a rudimentary fact of any claim to democracy that if you are a citizen of a republic, you must be able to vote in any phase of any presidential (or any other) election simply by virtue of being a citizen.

But in this crucial phase of the US presidential primaries, these citizens are not allowed to vote unless and until they are card-carrying members of the political party conducting that primary.

"All animals are equal," indeed, as we learned from George Orwell's Animal Farm, "but some animals are more equal than others".


Quote:

The Democratic Party, therefore, rules over this false claim to democracy the same way the Guardian Council of octogenarian Super Mullahs rules over the Islamic Republic.
See: Super Delegates
In other words, the free and fair formation of political parties that is supposed to be the finest fruit of a democracy has paradoxically degenerated into the most powerful impediment to democracy.

The purpose of a primary election is for members of a party to express their preferences among candidates running for office. Why should people who are not members of that party be allowed to vote?

I find it amusing that the largest pic. is of voters in CA, where indy voters can vote for anybody in a primary.