Been thinking about some things, and I need more smart people again cause I am stupid

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Been thinking about this whole war on drugs things, and being a simple person with a simple mind i am getting confused.

I been looking at it and it sems the targeting mechanizism is all wrong.

Maybe you can help me here.

Seems to me the users is the one focused on.

Busting one users who is in turn replaced by more users seems like a poor use of resources.

I would think that one would focus on the supply, producer, and seller.

Not as many people are willing to sell as they are to use so replacements would not happen as fast.

Not as many people are willing to run borders and check points as are willing to sell so replacements would be harder to procure.

And If you remove the producer you have no supplies to supply or sell.

I also think that the focus of priority is way screwed up.

Marijuana, whats up with that it should be legalized, I have not ever read, watched, or heard of any crimes done while hopped up on it. Seriously this is one of the least harmful drugs out there. Hades, cigarettes do more damage than marijuana does. And as fro crime causing Beer cause more criminal activity than does marijauna. Marijuana is a cheap thing to produce it should be legalized or at the minimal not be made a focal point. But a product that cpost all of 5$ to produce {I know I had a relative who did and may still do} and then because of the war on drugs that 5$ can be turned around into 500-1000$.

Mushrooms, basically same scale as marijuana, no harm to society. No increase in crime rate. Legalize it, make government money off of it for some good for the country. Its cheap and easy and sells for high profit due to war on drugs.

The ones who should have focus, Crack, Coke, Meth, LSD, E, etc. ones that do cause crime rate increase. But again don't focus on the nominal users that harms no one bbut himself. Focus on the seller, the producers, the suppliers. Kill the source for success.

Most all drugs if properly maunufactured don't cause what happens in crimes, its the impurities, due to rushed manufacture, cross contamination and sleazy sellers trying to make more money by makeing thier supply last longer by mixing with something harmful.

Maybe I am to simple but I see things are in a wrong focus and wrong effort actually being counter productive.

Just look at the Prohibition era.

So please feel free to help me out and unsimplify my being.

 

[alexandraaah]

We do things harder, not smarter here.

Yer catchin' on.

 

[tlkshwqween]

I always say let the kids do drugs they will learn but hubby doesn't agree go figure!!!!!!!!!!!LOLOL!!!! well what does he know i just think that if you let then do all they want than it wont seem as appealing you know what i mean?????

qweenie

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

surely theres more than two smart people here

its not even copy and paste

 

[paganangel]

think about this

think about this

 

[android1966]

I don't know about the USA, but here in the UK the
police federation, the courts, the doctors and
the social workers have all been saying exactly
what your post does for about ten years or more.
The politicians are only now beginning to say the
same things. I think the law will change here
within the next few years.

 

[Sillyman]

Marijuana isn't going to see legalization for some time here. Frankly it has just reached the point of being something akin to a demon for non-users. There are a lot of rumors about what it does to you, some of them true and some of them blatantly false. No politician in office is currently even willing to touch the idea of legalization with a ten foot pole. Even some people who used to smoke a lid a day themselves are scared shitless of the stuff.

Most hallucinegens are not as bad as people think and it's possible to use them in a safe contolled manner. Just don't overdo them and don't do them every goddamn day. Drugs are a lot like sex. They can be pleasurable, they can really suck if you don't know what you're doing, and they can have seriously negative consequences if you're irresponsible.

 

[Toxico]

OK, here's your answer. The United States is a capitalist society. We live, breath and answer to money (as a country). Almost everything done by the government of the United States is done for money. Racial tension, drugs, and in this case, non-legalization of benign natural drugs, creates money. Think about it: what makes more money for people, someone who has his little plant out back and rolls his own in peace, or someone who has to buy it from a dealer, use a lawyer when he goes to court and has to occupy a jail cell for a period of time. Contractors make jails, there are contractors to bring in food, etc. Understand that the more criminals a society has, the more money there is to be made. Normal law abiding citizens don't bring in much cash flow. Especially if you grow your own.
Part two to this, is that marijuana and shrooms are sufficiently easy to grow, so government taxation would be impractical.

 

[BustyTheClown]

Todd, basically what the US is doing with the war on drugs is systematically breaking the fingers of a creature with hundreds of arms... You're on the right track, we need to hit the drug industry (is that what it's called?) where it hurts, instead of focusing on petty pushers and dealers, or even potential users.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

OK, here's your answer. The United States is a capitalist society. We live, breath and answer to money (as a country). Almost everything done by the government of the United States is done for money. Racial tension, drugs, and in this case, non-legalization of benign natural drugs, creates money. Think about it: what makes more money for people, someone who has his little plant out back and rolls his own in peace, or someone who has to buy it from a dealer, use a lawyer when he goes to court and has to occupy a jail cell for a period of time. Contractors make jails, there are contractors to bring in food, etc. Understand that the more criminals a society has, the more money there is to be made. Normal law abiding citizens don't bring in much cash flow. Especially if you grow your own.
Part two to this, is that marijuana and shrooms are sufficiently easy to grow, so government taxation would be impractical.

Okvery good thoughts here, i like them thank you very much if I can offer a couple of counter points.

Legalize the drugs the drugs then are not bringing the crimal organizations the money goes into the regualted production{government} coffers.

yes marijuana and mushrooms are very easy to grow but so is most every vegetable that we eat. Does every person who eats vegatable prodiuce thier own? will every person who wants the drugs when legalized want to grow thier won?

Capitalism at its finest

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Todd, basically what the US is doing with the war on drugs is systematically breaking the fingers of a creature with hundreds of arms... You're on the right track, we need to hit the drug industry (is that what it's called?) where it hurts, instead of focusing on petty pushers and dealers, or even potential users.

maybe the finger nails, should be concentrating on arms and legs, the body can still sufficently operate with fingers and toes

 

[april-wine]

Ummmm you can keep the smoke Hot Toddy........But pass the mushrooms..........

 

[unclej]

in the late 1800's to early 1900's you could buy powdered marijuana over the counter in texas drug stores as a treatment for "a variety of ailments". ..in the 60's you could get life, literally, for simple posession...i once met a guy that had just completed 12 years in the texas state prison system for possesion of just over an ouce of pot...at this point in time simple possesion (an ounce or less i think) i a class C misdemeanor (sp?) in texas...the movement to decriminalization, in my opinion, has a much better chance than legalization...it can be done more subtlely and over a period of time..

 

[fgarvb1]

Your on the right track Todd. Crime does PAY a lot. Think about it.

Think of how many people would be out of work if the legal system here in the us worked better? why, we would have to make some more bullshit laws...wait we all ready do that.

 

[heterotic]

I know a guy who got a criminal justice degree for the sole purpose of seeing where the whole problem with marijuana thing came from, anyway. He could discourse for hours, and had never lost an argument over legalization.

I'll just drop a few of the salient points from the history of illegalization:

William Randolph Hearst, early god of mass media, had a grudge against Mexicans because of an incident involving a certain Mexican revolutionary and his daughter:

"What needs to be pointed out is that early in the 1900s, when the commercial interests what were to benefit from the outlawing of hemp needed an excuse, racism reared its ugly head. Back east, hemp had been a staple of our agrarian economy all along, but few had heard the Mexican term "Marihuana." Most people who voted in the laws outlawing hemp never realized they were talking about the same plant that had been highly valued and used throughout the history of this country (and indeed, the world) for food, fuel, and pharmacology.

As a tactic to maintain hegemony in the southwest, this relatively innocuous substance was linked with "violent, crazy, uppity Mexicans" who didn't know their place. Through yellow journalism, publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst and Harry J. Anslinger, Bureau of Narcotics Chief, helped create and perpetuate false impressions of marijuana and marijuana users based on negative racial stereotypes. " - letter to the editor, Alibi

The war on Marijuana started on a personal grudge.

The only other milestone I'll put in here is Nixon's grudge against hippies for their extreme dislike of his foreign policy. Know when the term "War on Drugs" started? Yup, you guessed it.

Most other countries followed the US's lead, and all this time later, we still haven't recovered. Ain't life some shit?

 

[Azwed]

You pretty much got it right Todd except for one thing. We should target the users of the drugs that we keep legal for treatment not punishment.

It doesn't do much good to keep non-violent users in jail for 5 years or more when they could be out in society getting treatment and contributing to the economy.

 

[sch00lteacher]

Todd, I'd kinda like it, if you would stop calling yourself stupid.

You're not. You know you're not. If you really feel that way it is just the depression speaking, not you. So stop.

You are a smart person, and a damned fine one at that. I don't give a good shit what you think.

 

[Sillyman]

Please keep in mind that workplace drug testing is also a million dollar industry and that most tests are primarily for marijuana usage. I could have been tripping on acid all weekend and not have anything show up at all except for my space being too real.

 

[Toxico]

Todd, I understand about self production, however, people tend to eat more vegetables than they can grow. I'm not sure if you could smoke all the weed one or two plants could provide if you continuously grow one or two at a time. 'shrooms on the other hand might be easier to buy. And of course, there will always be people that would rather buy than get their hands dirty. Nevertheless, keeping it illegal brings in more money than taxing it would. Don't you think?
And I absolutely agree that you should stop the "stupid" shit. You're all right. Peace.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Todd, I understand about self production, however, people tend to eat more vegetables than they can grow. I'm not sure if you could smoke all the weed one or two plants could provide if you continuously grow one or two at a time. 'shrooms on the other hand might be easier to buy. And of course, there will always be people that would rather buy than get their hands dirty. Nevertheless, keeping it illegal brings in more money than taxing it would. Don't you think?
And I absolutely agree that you should stop the "stupid" shit. You're all right. Peace.

Good points.

I come from a family that has several members, thankfully not imediate, who grow marijuana for there own use. Up here in New brunswick Canada, your out door growing time is limited to a fairly short period compared to that of the US. In order to grow a year supply, of really good quality, so I here from friends of his who are marijuana conisuers so to speak if sucha thing can be said, where was I? oh yeah for him to for himself a year supply, smoking a conservative 5 a day, he needs to grow 15 plants. That is a lot of work with other regulare job activities. Add to that double if your married and your SO smokes as well.

The money keeping it illegal is very minimal compared to the money it makes criminal organization by keeping it legal.

As I mentioned earlier a 5$-10$ plant can get up to 500-1000$ because of illegalization for the crimainl organization. where as the law only gets 200$ on a possesion charge. they could be getting 300$+ tax more by legalizing and selling either grown or or by seed.

Oh yeah for everyone the stupid thing is just for to get the radical leftists in here to read my posts which they won't any other way

 

[Toxico]

Hmmm. Reminds me of a Canadian site I ran across one day. This dude was selling hundreds of different types of marijuana seeds. Had the attributes and everything you ever wanted to know about each plant on the web. Didn't get to the shipping information, though. Too scared of the law watching in. Can't figure out how he would send the seeds.
You do have some cool conversation ideas...

 

[heterotic]

More historical perspective: while drugs may not have been illegal, they were at least considered less than desirable. Nary a mention of "Marihuana" the whole chapter, though.

Stimulants and Narcotics
Opium is one of the most dangerous of narcotics. Morphine and laudanum are two common forms of the drug. Paregoric and soothing sirup, both of which contain opium, are especially dangerous, and should not be given to children. Opium dulls the senses and finally puts a person to sleep. The reason why it is so dangerous is that it has a tendency to produce a terrible craving for opium.
A person begins by taking a small amount, possibly prescribed for him by a physician as a remedy for toothache, headache, or neuralgia. The drug not only soothes the pain, but produces a pleasant, restful feeling. Whenever the person has a pain which he wishes to relieve, he uses the same remedy, or he even imagines the pain for the sake of taking the drug. Soon the small doses with which he began cease to produce the desired effect, and he takes larger amounts. Before he suspects the fact, he has become an "opium eater," and no longer even pretends to make the excuse that he takes the drug as a medicine.
Opium destroys the ability to think clearly and ruins the moral nature. The opium eater frequenstly becomes a liar and a thief. His health is undermined. He no longer finds pleasure in work or in recreation, and after a while even the drug itself ceases to give him relief or satisfaction. The use of the drug so affects his will power that when he finds himself a slave to the habit he has not the strength of will to restrain the appetite...
The use of chloral and cocaine is equally dangerous, the effects being similar to those of opium.

- Elementary Physiology and Hygiene, H.W. Conn, Ph. D. Copyright 1903, 1906 by Silver Burdett and Company

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Hmmm. Reminds me of a Canadian site I ran across one day. This dude was selling hundreds of different types of marijuana seeds. Had the attributes and everything you ever wanted to know about each plant on the web. Didn't get to the shipping information, though. Too scared of the law watching in. Can't figure out how he would send the seeds.
You do have some cool conversation ideas...

Hard to tell I am a conservation Fundamentalist christian eh?

I am not for drugs or drug abuse, but then again I am not for smoking and drinking, but i don't see the point in illegalizing those either just because i am against them.

the family that grows is into all that breeding stuff, he does some sharing and selling between friends its usually its just to trade for different stock for different hybrids. most of them swear marijuana comes in as many varieties and flavours as coffee or Tea does.

 

[Toxico]

Hard to tell I am a conservation Fundamentalist christian eh?

Yeah. Feel like I've been in a sting.

most of them swear marijuana comes in as many varieties and flavours as coffee or Tea does.

According to the website I saw, it far surpasses the varieties of coffee and tea combined.

Personally, I am not against naturally occurring substances. But tampered with items like cocaine, heroin, etc, are to me dangerous and should be illegal. However, my job being what it is, I have not and cannot sample thos naturally occurring substances. Just a few more years....

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Yeah. Feel like I've been in a sting.

According to the website I saw, it far surpasses the varieties of coffee and tea combined.

Personally, I am not against naturally occurring substances. But tampered with items like cocaine, heroin, etc, are to me dangerous and should be illegal. However, my job being what it is, I have not and cannot sample thos naturally occurring substances. Just a few more years....

Nope your not in any sting raid.

Harder drugs I am not saying to legalize its the softcore, so to speak, drugs that are a was of tax payer money and resources to police.

I do know that cocaine can be made safe and unaddictive as well as morphine, I have not read anything on the others yet. the problem that taints cocaine and morphine is imporper production methods, tainted goods, or just poor chemistry understanding. Labs have made both of those safe and unaddictive. They could be a substancial income, I do however being street made feel they should be illegal and keep an eye on because they are associated with and cause severe crime rates.