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Agents' Visit Chills UMass Dartmouth Senior
By Aaron Nicodemus
The Standard-Times

Saturday 17 December 2005

New Bedford - A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."

Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.

The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the
request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.

The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.

"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."

Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.

The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.

The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.

The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.

In the 1950s and '60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.

The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.

Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.

"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," he said. Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk. "I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless."
 
Books

I have two copies. (the jacket pocket size and the vest pocket size). I also have the Little Yellow Book of Jesus published to compete wth the Little Red Book.

What does that make me?

I also have a couple of copies of The Bible; and at least one each of Machiavelli's The Prince; The Golden Book of Marcus Aurelius; The Koran; The Bhavada Gita; The Mahabartha; Beowulf; most Greek Philosophers; most Latin writers; Marx Das Capital; Hitler's Mein Kampf; and of course the Kama Sutra.

Even Cervantes' Don Quixote can be classed as subversive.

Og

PS. The Little Red Book and Sun Tsu's The Art of War were recommended reading at Sandhurst, the British Army's officer school. So was Georgette Heyer's An Infamous Army for her account of Waterloo.
 
oggbashan said:
I have two copies. (the jacket pocket size and the vest pocket size). I also have the Little Yellow Book of Jesus published to compete wth the Little Red Book.

What does that make me?

I also have a couple of copies of The Bible; and at least one each of Machiavelli's The Prince; The Golden Book of Marcus Aurelius; The Koran; The Bhavada Gita; The Mahabartha; Beowulf; most Greek Philosophers; most Latin writers; Marx Das Capital; Hitler's Mein Kampf; and of course the Kama Sutra.

Even Cervantes' Don Quixote can be classed as subversive.

Og

PS. The Little Red Book and Sun Tsu's The Art of War were recommended reading at Sandhurst, the British Army's officer school. So was Georgette Heyer's An Infamous Army for her account of Waterloo.


Luckily, I own my own copies of moist of the things I have an interest in that would be on a watch list :)
 
I'm afraid if someone showed up to ask me questions in such an instance I'd get myself in deeper...there's no backspace key in real life and I would get VERY indignant...
 
Belegon said:
I'm afraid if someone showed up to ask me questions in such an instance I'd get myself in deeper...there's no backspace key in real life and I would get VERY indignant...

Me too!! I rant first and regret later. Not a good philosophy when dealing with paranoia.
 
I have a Quran, a Satanic Bible, a Tanakh (Jewish Bible), a King James Bible, the Iliad, and the Odyssey. :D

I also have Mein Kampf, The Prince, Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra and Beyond Good And Evil, excerpts of Machiavelli's Discourses On The Ten Books of Livy, the Federalist Papers, Democracy In America, Decision In Philadelphia (a non-fiction work on the Constitutional Convention by the Collier brothers), Warday, and the Out Of The Ashes series, not to mention Harry Turtledove's Great War series. A lot of these books might be deemed "subversive" by the current Administration. Also 1632 by Eric Flint and Sartre's Existentialism and Human Emotions. It's hard to say what the Bush clan might condemn as "subversive".
 
This is so far out of bounds. The next thing you know the God damned government will be goose stepping up our sidewalks when they feel like questioning us about some bullshit. We need to get the fucking republicans out of office! And GWB needs to be hung up by his tiny, little nads. Publicly!
 
Anarchists and Terrorists - the bunch of ya'.

I'm going back to my copy of None Dare Call it Treason now.
 
During WWII Hitler's Mein Kampf was in print (in German and in an English translation) and freely available in UK bookstores.

Og
 
thebullet said:
Anarchists and Terrorists - the bunch of ya'.

I'm going back to my copy of None Dare Call it Treason now.

That's a favorite of the Birchers. I know, because I used to be one. Thankfully, I left THAT circle. They are even further to the right of the President. Needless to say, my politics, while not leftist, have shifted more to the center.
 
oggbashan said:
During WWII Hitler's Mein Kampf was in print (in German and in an English translation) and freely available in UK bookstores.

Og

I read of an establishment in London that used bags of Mein Kampf, instead of sand bags for air raid defense.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Luckily, I own my own copies of moist of the things I have an interest in that would be on a watch list :)
Freudian misspelling? ;)

*ahem*

Actually, this should come as no surprise whatsoever. Shoot, government agents have been known to show up at my door from time to time. Mostly because of ILL books or 'suspicious' packages that come from overseas, but occasionally because i interact with the dreaded THEM!

ILL books - about 90% that were 'investigated' were on life in ancient Russia, at about the time of the Viking invasions

suspicious packages - things such as puzzles and tarot decks that i've either bought or traded for

the dreaded THEM - friends from out of state that people around here don't recognize and report
 
entitled said:
Freudian misspelling? ;)

*ahem*

Actually, this should come as no surprise whatsoever. Shoot, government agents have been known to show up at my door from time to time. Mostly because of ILL books or 'suspicious' packages that come from overseas, but occasionally because i interact with the dreaded THEM!

ILL books - about 90% that were 'investigated' were on life in ancient Russia, at about the time of the Viking invasions

suspicious packages - things such as puzzles and tarot decks that i've either bought or traded for

the dreaded THEM - friends from out of state that people around here don't recognize and report

Damn, that's Orwellian! What's next, Thought Police?
 
Damn, I wonder how they would react to my book collection? :devil:

Cat
 
SeaCat said:
Damn, I wonder how they would react to my book collection? :devil:

Cat
Nobody would ever hear from you again.

There for a while i thought nobody would ever hear from me again, either.
 
*blurt unrelated to Lit*

You have holes in your plot one could drive a truck through, please show me how to make money being as much of a hack as you. :rolleyes:
 
OhMissScarlett said:
*blurt unrelated to Lit*

You have holes in your plot one could drive a truck through, please show me how to make money being as much of a hack as you. :rolleyes:
It's all in the blow technique. sssshhhh....
 
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