BDSM vs SSC

[alamoana]

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[J_R_Ashunwhy]

Fascinating. Don't ever remember defending my story, even less "adamantly". I do remember, however, agreeing to move it to noncon.

This thread veered off the OP quite a few posts ago, if you judge my adamant defense of the story by the number of posts, which, it seems, you did not read.

And thank you for reading my story, as well as your constructive input. I'll make changes to the story to reflect your point of view.

Love,
Ala Moana

But I did read the comments, even their new edited versions.
Try to put a thread back on track, and have the opening poster call yah out for it...alright.

 

[alamoana]

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[J_R_Ashunwhy]

Don't ever remember defending my story...

Exhibit A: starting the thread, and then repeatedly editing your posts--in one deleted bit you claimed you would delete all your comments eventually away--and then claimed you were done with the thread, but kept returning multiple times regardless

Exhibit B: "Over 4000 people have read the story so far. Out of them, about 100 have voted it at 5, and about 10 have voted it at 1, with nearly nothing in between.
What does that tell you?
9 out of 10 want this to be a BDSM story."

Exhibit C: "The point I am making is that I trust that the readers are intelligent enough to make the distinction between fantasy and real life"

Exhibit D: "Why? I am asking a serious question. Before I posted the story, I read the guidelines, as well as even the legalese in the links on the bottom, which I was probably the only one here who had done that, and didn't see anything there to support your argument."



Those are examples of what is referred to as: being defensive. I already gave my arguments to your last question (seen here as Exhibit D) in my initial post.

 

[alamoana]

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[Bramblethorn]

You are making the very strong assumption that I sit in a dark closet, furiously typing on a keyboard with my blinds on, oblivious to the real world,

Having never met you, I can only judge based on what understanding you do and don't demonstrate here.

while you (plural) are the collective with all the real-life experience, and can speak for them.

I don't presume to speak for everybody. But I'm pretty confident that I speak for a large number of people with RL BDSM experience, because I have heard plenty of them express similar attitudes.

The point I am making is that I trust that the readers are intelligent enough to make the distinction between fantasy and real life, and any other line of thought would be an insult to them.

Sorry, but this is a cop-out. When the reviews are good, fiction authors are eager enough to acknowledge that words are powerful, that even a work labelled as "fiction" can influence readers. But as soon as some element of their work gets criticised they jump for "it's only fiction" like a soldier jumping into a foxhole.

Authors have been using fiction as a way to persuade others of real-world "truths" for more than two thousand years. Aesop, Lewis, Rand, and countless others have written fictional works that have been tremendously influential on the people who read them, even knowing the framing to be fictional.

Please ignore the terminology, as BDSM by today's standards is still classified as deviant psychopathy between/among healthy consenting adults (which many are trying change, but that's unlikely).

Depends whose standards you're going by. There are two major authorities on classification of mental illness: the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) and the WHO's International Classification of Diseases (ICD). As far as I know the ICD does still classify BDSM as a mental disorder; DSM used to do the same, but as of DSM-V (2013) that is no longer the case. DSM-V makes it clear that paraphilias should not be considered "mental disorder" unless they cause distress or interfere with other personal goals.

 

[alamoana]

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[TxRad]

--
Let us be equally fair when dealing with the people whose caprices startle us; perfectly like unto the ill man or the woman suffering from fits, they are deserving of sympathy and not of blame; that is the moral apology for the persons whom we are discussing; a physical explanation will without doubt be found as easily, and when the study of anatomy reaches perfection they will without any trouble be able to demonstrate the relationship of the human constitution to the tastes which it affects. Oh, you pedants, hangmen, turnkeys, lawmakers, you shave-pate rabble, what will you do when we have arrived there? What will become of your laws, your ethics, your religion, your gallows, your Gods and your Heavens and your Hell when it shall be proven that such a flow of liquids, this variety of fibers, that degree of pungency in the blood or in the animal spirits are sufficient to make a man the object of your givings and your takings away? But let us continue. Cruel tastes astonish you.
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Not my words.

Ala Moana

That was very obvious from the very start.

 

[alamoana]

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[TxRad]

Certainly. I am genuinely moved by the lack of name-calling this far, given the strong persuasions on such a controversial subject.

Ala Moana

Beyond what you believe, the subject is not all that controversial. There are only people who think they know about the BDSM communities and the people who live within them. Preconceptions and half assed knowledge are the real problem.

 

[sr71plt]

No controversy? I regularly see subset club folks here trying to tell writers what they can/cannot include in their stories about bondage, domination, masochism, and sadism.

 

[TxRad]

No controversy? I regularly see subset club folks here trying to tell writers what they can/cannot include in their stories about bondage, domination, masochism, and sadism.

Most of those subset club people are probably not what they say they are. They are the ones with the preconceptions and little actual knowledge of what they are talking about. People who live the life style see and realize this right up front. No controversy, just misinformation.

Much like what you run into on writing advice.