Basic bondage?

[Milkdrops1]

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[catalina_francisco]

Hmmmm, so you think your tastes are unusual? Of course if you decided to carry through to do things non-consensually you would be an odd one out around here, but then that also is not in keeping with what most consider BDSM, but does identify as abuse which most do not see as being welcome in BDSM...2 vastly different planets. Your fantasies seem fairly standard for many here.

Catalina

 

[Milkdrops1]

Yeh well its strictly fantasies for me isnt like i'm some psycho who'd act them out in real life but I suppose everyone has some dodgy fantasies. But thats all they'll remain.

 

[Perfect_Trust]

The main type of turn of, of bondage for me is clearly illustrated in the 2 picture examples attached to this post. Both pictures clearly show a lack of concent

Only in YOUR mind do the pictures you have posted illustrate lack of consent, many couples do this consensually.

Yeh well its strictly fantasies for me isnt like i'm some psycho who'd act them out in real life but I suppose everyone has some dodgy fantasies. But thats all they'll remain.

Generally speaking it's psycho's who fantasise about NON CONSENSUAL ABUSE.

 

[mcgill82ferret]

I'm with the others. Those pics don't necessarly depict anything non-consensual. They might and they might not. That you are so convinced they do is in your interpertation, I think.

And I might say that I think the only thing so unusual about your tastes (within the BDSM comunitity) are that they are so limited, not the content, assuming you don't perpetuate any non-consensual acts. But time and exposure may expand your tastes.

 

[MrWuxi]

Who's up for basic bondage?

I am with you on the basic bondage. I don't get all turned on either by excessive roping and tying, but that is just me and others are turned on by other things. So each his own. I do find the idea of what you described, what I would call "soft BDSM" as an extreme turn on. Maybe it is just the first step towards more.

I have suggested to my fiancee that we should try this. She was immediately open to the idea, but I have carried through yet. But, just her consent got me hard. Another good reason why I love that girl.

So, basic bondage can easily be consensual, as others have said. Your first picture of the girl manacled seems tame and potentail pretty fun to me. I didn't see it as a potential rape, but then I want to do that to my fiancee so I don't associate rape and bondage in that picture.

The other picture could go either way. Doesn't necessarily suggest non-consent.

 

[Milkdrops1]

Hmmm thx for your replies. Wouldnt you people be able to tell the difference of a BDSM pictures or illiutrations ..by the expression on the peoples faces that are restrained?

In my 2 picture examples both of the women clearly have a expression of non- concent. The picture of the woman chained by the arms in the second one....her face clearly shows a look of fear and worry and the man torturing her looks very smug and knows he is totally in control. Its that type of psychology when applied to that illustration that adds to the turn on for me. I'm wierd but of course if that picture was a real life photo of a real person chained like that bieng tortured that would not be a turn on that would be wrong but if it just a graphics illustration then its just fantasy.

 

[shy slave]

Milkdrops the point of pictures is too read into them what we want to see.

There is a difference between 'fear' and 'fear.'

Both pics are drawings, the net and Lit has 100's of photos which show alot of different expressions on a female face, including anticipatory desire and fear.
The photos are more graphic than your drawings yet none of them scream non-consent.

Fantasy is fine but please don't think you are at the edges of depravity simply because you like those line drawings.
Many people, myself included, enjoy the reality of far worse than what you have described yet we are long way from depraved.

 

[JoyceRainWalker]

Your fantasies aren't unusual at all. After you've wandered lit for a while or other sites that host bdsm stories and photos, you'll see that there are a lot of us out there. My master and I use all types of bondage, and sometimes the simplest forms are the most erotic. A single rope is erotic if his control is clear in his eyes.

j

 

[myinnerslut]

the "simple" bondage and the "complex" bondage are both very sexy in thier own ways. they each have thier own advantages and disadvantages, and niether one is unusual in BDSM. as a matter of fact, youll have a really hard time defining what IS usual in BDSM becuase so many people have so many different things they like to do or have done to them.

 

[Daddyslilpet]

Hmmm thx for your replies. Wouldnt you people be able to tell the difference of a BDSM pictures or illiutrations ..by the expression on the peoples faces that are restrained?

In my 2 picture examples both of the women clearly have a expression of non- concent. The picture of the woman chained by the arms in the second one....her face clearly shows a look of fear and worry and the man torturing her looks very smug and knows he is totally in control. Its that type of psychology when applied to that illustration that adds to the turn on for me. I'm wierd but of course if that picture was a real life photo of a real person chained like that bieng tortured that would not be a turn on that would be wrong but if it just a graphics illustration then its just fantasy.

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned to you yet that there is such a thing as consentual rape fantasies. While not my cup of tea, there are those that do enjoy such and do role play such activities. When you role play you would take on the looks of the characters in that second picture to add "realism" to the play. However, it is just that... play, not real, therefore not "wrong" as you suggested above and totally consentual even though it APPEARS to not be.

So you see, you can't always judge a picture on it's appearance.

 

[Musing]

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned to you yet that there is such a thing as consentual rape fantasies. While not my cup of tea, there are those that do enjoy such and do role play such activities. When you role play you would take on the looks of the characters in that second picture to add "realism" to the play. However, it is just that... play, not real, therefore not "wrong" as you suggested above and totally consentual even though it APPEARS to not be.

So you see, you can't always judge a picture on it's appearance.

Newbie here, got to start somewhere I suppose.

It is indeed possible to orchestrate a rape roleplay 'scene' which is realistic enough to give you the same thrill you get from these pictures. You've already answered the important Q I would have asked, Milkdrops1: -

of course if that picture was a real life photo of a real person chained like that bieng tortured that would not be a turn on that would be wrong

If you agree a safeword with a partner (a word unconnected to sex, like RED) then she can say 'no' while meaning 'yes'. Only when she uses the agreed word (RED) do you actually stop. In this way, you can act out scenes of reluctance or force, while knowing that if she became unhappy she would be able to communicate and to stop things.

Sounds great on paper but care must be taken and I would not necessarily recommend this as an appropriate place to begin. A great deal of trust and knowledge of the other person is required.

 

[Daddyslilpet]

Newbie here, got to start somewhere I suppose.

It is indeed possible to orchestrate a rape roleplay 'scene' which is realistic enough to give you the same thrill you get from these pictures. You've already answered the important Q I would have asked, Milkdrops1: -



If you agree a safeword with a partner (a word unconnected to sex, like RED) then she can say 'no' while meaning 'yes'. Only when she uses the agreed word (RED) do you actually stop. In this way, you can act out scenes of reluctance or force, while knowing that if she became unhappy she would be able to communicate and to stop things.

Sounds great on paper but care must be taken and I would not necessarily recommend this as an appropriate place to begin. A great deal of trust and knowledge of the other person is required.

Exactly my point. And yes it does require much trust, knowledge, planning, negotiating and many things to make it a safe scene to try, you are correct. Again, as I stated not my cup of tea, but it works for some so it must be doable.

 

[jadefirefly]

"Wouldn't you people be able to tell...."

Please specify what, exactly, you mean by "you people", and why you think these particular people would be more likely to see exactly what you see in a drawing, as opposed to what the rest of us are seeing?

Just because the drawing gives the appearance of fear, it doesn't mean that there's no consent.

Otherwise, one would assume that people who make O-faces that look like they're in pain, are actually in pain. Obviously, that's (usually) not the case.

Faces show many things. Some are consistently accurate. Some are not.



Oh, and by the way? "You people", when applied in reference to us, does not really give the impression that you actually consider yourself to be a part of anything that the rest of us do. You're separating yourself because you consider yourself to be 'above' our interests, because someone actually mentioned that you could do what it is you fantasize about without it being an illegal, horrible thing.

It's in my opinion that while you do fantasize about it, you're still not entirely comfortable with the thought.

 

[Milkdrops1]

Well I worded it wrong when I said "you people" I just didnt think about it I just meant everyone on the BDSM forum.

I thought because everyone here is obviously into BDSM they may well have a better idea when it comes to pictures or graphic illustrations of BDSM possibly bieng there more used to bieng exposed to it weither it be with there partner or pictures online they have also looked at. The expressions of the women in the pictures is all I have to go on.

I dont consider me to be above anyones interests but I do think my BDSM fantasies are probably somewhat more unusual in nature to the average BDSM fan but not superior by any means infact probably beneath the average bondage fanatic.

 

[gluttonne]

for what it's worth, what you describe in your first post doesn't strike me as unusual at all.

regarding "fear", i have seen a grown woman wincing with what certainly looks like fear/pain, asking me to stop (but not saying a safeword), but getting off on it quite a bit.

regarding fantasies of non-consent, i have had rape fantasies (of being the rapist, that is) before, without real interest in doing something of a truly nonconsensual nature. i sure as shit don't think that rape is okay, and wouldn't hesitate to lay waste to anyone who really does that sort of thing. i built up years of guilt/shame over having these fantasies, but rape scenes/taken-by-force play with an interested bottom (particularly one who really gets off on such scenes) gives both myself and my partner a consensual way to use these desires/energies to serve us, rather than us serving them with pain/guilt/fear/whatever the otherwise negative associations we might have with such things would be. i still struggle with this at times, but when there is a trusting relationship that i can discuss and work on it within, i find that a hell of a lot more healthy/normal than sitting around feeling bad about it.

 

[jadefirefly]

Well I worded it wrong when I said "you people" I just didnt think about it I just meant everyone on the BDSM forum.

I thought because everyone here is obviously into BDSM they may well have a better idea when it comes to pictures or graphic illustrations of BDSM possibly bieng there more used to bieng exposed to it weither it be with there partner or pictures online they have also looked at. The expressions of the women in the pictures is all I have to go on.

I dont consider me to be above anyones interests but I do think my BDSM fantasies are probably somewhat more unusual in nature to the average BDSM fan but not superior by any means infact probably beneath the average bondage fanatic.

If you truly thought that we had a better idea, then why are you so adamant in holding to your original beliefs and denying the opinions of anyone else who's responded? You want like hell to believe that those are non-consent pictures, and because of that, you're completely missing everything else.

You're in a tunnel-vision sort of state, I suspect because you don't just get off on the idea itself, but on the idea that it's wrong. And the knowledge that you could actually find someone who'd enjoy what you want is a bit overwhelming for you.