Bans on Torture Don't Bind Bush

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Our Commander in Chief (along with his team), it turns out, possesses a number of extraordinary powers that put him outside the law.

Lawyers Decided Bans on Torture Didn't Bind Bush
By NEIL A. LEWIS and ERIC SCHMITT

Published: June 8, 2004
NY TIMES


WASHINGTON, June 7 — A team of administration lawyers concluded in a March 2003 legal memorandum that President Bush was not bound by either an international treaty prohibiting torture or by a federal antitorture law because he had the authority as commander in chief to approve any technique needed to protect the nation's security.

The memo, prepared for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, also said that any executive branch officials, including those in the military, could be immune from domestic and international prohibitions against torture for a variety of reasons.

One reason, the lawyers said, would be if military personnel believed that they were acting on orders from superiors "except where the conduct goes so far as to be patently unlawful."

"In order to respect the president's inherent constitutional authority to manage a military campaign," the lawyers wrote in the 56-page confidential memorandum, the prohibition against torture "must be construed as inapplicable to interrogation undertaken pursuant to his commander-in-chief authority."

Senior Pentagon officials on Monday sought to minimize the significance of the March memo, one of several obtained by The New York Times, as an interim legal analysis that had no effect on revised interrogation procedures that Mr. Rumsfeld approved in April 2003 for the American military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

"The April document was about interrogation techniques and procedures," said Lawrence Di Rita, the Pentagon's chief spokesman. "It was not a legal analysis."

Mr. Di Rita said the 24 interrogation procedures permitted at Guantánamo, four of which required Mr. Rumsfeld's explicit approval, did not constitute torture and were consistent with international treaties.

The March memorandum, which was first reported by The Wall Street Journal on Monday, is the latest internal legal study to be disclosed that shows that after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks the administration's lawyers were set to work to find legal arguments to avoid restrictions imposed by international and American law.

A Jan. 22, 2002, memorandum from the Justice Department that provided arguments to keep American officials from being charged with war crimes for the way prisoners were detained and interrogated was used extensively as a basis for the March memorandum on avoiding proscriptions against torture.

The previously disclosed Justice Department memorandum concluded that administration officials were justified in asserting that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to detainees from the Afghanistan war.

Another memorandum obtained by The Times indicates that most of the administration's top lawyers, with the exception of those at the State Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, approved of the Justice Department's position that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to the war in Afghanistan. In addition, that memorandum, dated Feb. 2, 2002, noted that lawyers for the Central Intelligence Agency had asked for an explicit understanding that the administration's public pledge to abide by the spirit of the conventions did not apply to its operatives.

The March memo, a copy of which was obtained by The Times, was prepared as part of a review of interrogation techniques by a working group appointed by the Defense Department's general counsel, William J. Haynes. The group itself was led by the Air Force general counsel, Mary Walker, and included military and civilian lawyers from all branches of the armed services.

The review stemmed from concerns raised by Pentagon lawyers and interrogators at Guantánamo after Mr. Rumsfeld approved a set of harsher interrogation techniques in December 2002 to use on a Saudi detainee, Mohamed al-Kahtani, who was believed to be the planned 20th hijacker in the Sept. 11 terror plot.

Mr. Rumsfeld suspended the harsher techniques, including serving the detainee cold, prepackaged food instead of hot rations and shaving off his facial hair, on Jan. 12, pending the outcome of the working group's review. Gen. James T. Hill, head of the military's Southern Command, which oversees Guantánamo, told reporters last Friday that the working group "wanted to do what is humane and what is legal and consistent not only with" the Geneva Conventions, but also "what is right for our soldiers."
 
I'm hoping someone will nuke the White House soon, but knowing George, he probably won't be there.

Shame.
 
...and I think to myself, it's a wonderful woooorld...

Sorry, I really didn't have anything insightful to add. That article says it all.

Poop. :mad:

#L
 
U.S. Officials Misstate Geneva Convention Requirements

The U.S. government cannot choose to wage war in Afghanistan with guns, bombs and soldiers and then assert the laws of war do not apply. To say that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to a war on terrorism is particularly dangerous, as it is all too easy to imagine this 'exception' coming back to haunt U.S. forces in future conflicts.

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"It would be tragically shortsighted for the U.S. to ignore its obligations under the Geneva Conventions," said Roth. "These are a set of rules that protect all people, including American servicemen and women taken captive in war."


Kenneth Roth
Executive Director of Human Rights Watch




A copy of the letter sent to Condoleezza Rice detailing a point-by-point refuting of U.S. officials misstating the Geneva Convention’s requirements.


[Edited to include "*&#@#$%^$$ durn URL!"]
 
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Oh, this comes as a really huge surprise... Who would have thought this would happen after the Bush administration declared war on the International Criminal Court?

The US are one of only seven nations in the world who are consistently against ICC, along with China, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Qatar and Israel - all great company.

- They demand from the Security Council an ICC exemption for U.S. personnel operating in U.N. peacekeeping operations;

- They push for bilateral agreements with nations all around the world requiring them not to surrender American nationals to the ICC, thus getting U.S. nationals exempt from ICC jurisdiction, so that we have a two-tiered rule of law for the most serious international crimes: one that applies to U.S. nationals, and another that applies to the rest of the world's citizens.

- They get Congress to approve anti-ICC provisions in the American Servicemembers' Protection Act that include a prohibition on U.S. cooperation with the ICC; an "invasion of the Hague" provision, authorizing the President to "use all means necessary and appropriate" to free U.S. personnel (and certain allied personnel) detained or imprisoned by the ICC; punishment for States that join the ICC treaty, refusing military aid to States' Parties to the treaty (except major U.S. allies); a prohibition on U.S. participation in peacekeeping activities unless immunity from the ICC is guaranteed for U.S. personnel.

Yes, the whole world is shocked... :rolleyes:
 
The great bull is stung by a wasp.

The bull whips the wasp by its tail.

The great bull is stung by two wasps.

The bull whips the two wasps by its tail.

. . .

The great bull is stung by a million wasps . . .

THE END
 
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