August 6th 1945

[Kantarii]

The bombing of Hamburg in WWII killed 40,000.

Firebombing attacks on Japan

That’s a lot of death and destruction.

 

[suurfer]

Hiroshima, Japan.

The world changed forever with the use of atomic weapons.

Hei, I used to see things like that too.
But I read somewhere that allies got word that the Japanese were developing some biological weapon, plague vectors or something.
I guess whatever genocidal psychopathic leader got their foot in the door first.

 

[ishtat]

I did most of my reading on Erwin Rommel and anything involving warfare at sea. Things like Pearl Harbor, D-Day, battle of the bulge, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa were ran into the ground in history class.

Now read about the one battle that really counted: the Battle of Kursk, July August 1943. Kursk was the greatest battle in human history with more men, more tanks, more artillery, more ordinance of every kind than all the other land battles of WWII added together.

Rommel and Paton are military/historical midgets compared with Georgy Zhukov. It's difficult for Brit and American military mythologists to concede that while important, what they achieved were sideshows in support of the Soviets.

 

[Tigersman]

Regardless of who starts the next war, if it goes nuclear you can kiss humanity and all animals goodbye. Those that are in bunkers will emerge to find a dead planet. If they stay underground they will eventually die of starvation. If they stay topside they will die a slow death from radiation poisoning.

 

[Conager]

Regardless of who starts the next war, if it goes nuclear you can kiss humanity and all animals goodbye. Those that are in bunkers will emerge to find a dead planet. If they stay underground they will eventually die of starvation. If they stay topside they will die a slow death from radiation poisoning.

Nuclear war will not result in three-eyed fish. Your dystopian fantasy is based on movies and not science or DOD projections. Actual detonations over population centers and any EMP resultant loss of critical infrastructure will be far more costly in human lives than any residual radiation.

 

[Hal9000_]

Nuclear war will not result in three-eyed fish. Your dystopian fantasy is based on movies and not science or DOD projections. Actual detonations over population centers and any EMP resultant loss of critical infrastructure will be far more costly in human lives than any residual radiation.

Yeah, just don't eat the potatoes for the next 20,000 years!

 

[Rightguide]

Rommel and Paton are military/historical midgets compared with Georgy Zhukov. It's difficult for Brit and American military mythologists to concede that while important, what they achieved were sideshows in support of the Soviets.

^^^

Bullshit.

 

[HisArpy]

^^^

Bullshit.

Haven't you figured it out yet?

There are plenty of people who will promote false narratives, rewrite history, and even advance the cause of tyranny just to try to minimize the US. Because freedom.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Actual detonations over population centers and any EMP resultant loss of critical infrastructure will be far more costly in human lives than any residual radiation.

This is not true. It is not generally true, and importantly the ratio of fatalities due to immediate injuries compared to fallout depends on the type of device used. For an extreme example, see: cobalt salted bomb.

 

[ishtat]

Haven't you figured it out yet?

There are plenty of people who will promote false narratives, rewrite history, and even advance the cause of tyranny just to try to minimize the US. Because freedom.

Neither you nor Right Guide have demonstrated the slightest knowledge about what happened at Kursk.

Your prejudices in both your cases are founded on your profound ignorance of the facts. Choose any source you like, pro or anti Soviet, and the facts will tell you that compared with Kursk every other landbattle in WWII was a tiddler. I know it's unpalatable to western sensibilities but facts are such an inconvenience sometimes.

 

[Conager]

Yeah, just don't eat the potatoes for the next 20,000 years!

Salt 'em with iodized salt. You'll be fine.

 

[Kantarii]

Well, today marks the day Nagasaki, Japan was nuked. It’ll probably go quietly just like Hiroshima did.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Well, today marks the day Nagasaki, Japan was nuked. It’ll probably go quietly just like Hiroshima did.

I doubt it went quietly at all. Probably a big boom, lots of screaming afterwards.

 

[toeskr]

Regardless of who starts the next war, if it goes nuclear you can kiss humanity and all animals goodbye. Those that are in bunkers will emerge to find a dead planet. If they stay underground they will eventually die of starvation. If they stay topside they will die a slow death from radiation poisoning.

As long as your wife gets blacked, all is good.

Amirite?

Survive on Korn.

 

[lustatopia]

This was a good thread. But I'm disappointed there wasn't any discussion about how the Americans could have avoided nuking Japanese cities. Perhaps the Yanks could have done a demonstration blast a bit offshore from the port of Hiroshima so the Japanese could have seen what they were up against and had a chance to surrender.

But, noooooo. It was pay back time.

Btw, the great buck-stops-here humanitarian, Truman had a D after his name.

 

[Kantarii]

This was a good thread. But I'm disappointed there wasn't any discussion about how the Americans could have avoided nuking Japanese cities. Perhaps the Yanks could have done a demonstration blast a bit offshore from the port of Hiroshima so the Japanese could have seen what they were up against and had a chance to surrender.

But, noooooo. It was pay back time.

Btw, the great buck-stops-here humanitarian, Truman had a D after his name.

At the time of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nuclear weapons weren’t tested in that type of scenario. A blast offshore would have created massive waves, possibly triggering earthquakes, and destroyed the ecosystem, doing long term damage.