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BlueSugar

BlueSugar

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This is going to be a two part thread. (edit) I lied, its a 3 part.

1. Say I want to start to produce pornography. Say it is going to be BDSM in orientation to appeal to people who are in the lifestyle. Good music, pretty props, professional looking. Gets into the mind space etc..etc.. the ultimate bdsm videos.

I've noticed that if there is bdsm in a scene of a movie - there isn't sex. Which is fine, bdsm doesn't mean sex - but it is nice to see.
Is there a way around that?

M has come up with the idea to do two videos of the same cast doing everything as they would - but split the movies into bdsm and then sex. Like a part 1 and part 2. But that still breaks it up.

Why is it not seen, why is it illegal? Are there people working against it?
Are there licences involved?
What needs to be done for it to be a bonnafied operation?


2. W/we were also laughing and talking about what profession I would be truely happy with and not bored with. Which would be owning the space... one floor possibly many rooms (for minimalist view) to hold lifestyle events in. To cater to the bdsm community in the area of choice I choose to open it in. Seperate people charging by the room or by head.
Hold dinners, balls, meet and greets... and space for rent or useage of other people who want to throw a party of their own.

Employ other professionals, secretaries etc... enough to make it comfortable and not sketchy... an environment you'd like to walk into. Possibly bed and breakfast quality if it launched into demand and all.

What legal mumbojumbo goes into this other then detailed paper work about SSC?
Taxes, owning the space... would it just be a "small buisness" licence?


3. To those that live the bdsm life on more of the business professional level. Do you live the double life, how to you explain your income or side income?
or does your family know and the double life isn't needed?







off topic but... I really need to stop starting threads so late! haha.
 
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1. it's illegal in a lot of locales, from my limited understanding. Hence the immense popularity of semi-clothed bondage porn in which the girl has a dildo shoved in her mouth and things like that, which become fetishes in their own right. I'm not the king of production laws, but it seems there must be a reason most smut originates in SoCal.

2. Surprisingly I have very little insight into part B. I love being an independent contractor. Whatever you do, it seems getting insurance on your space is both a MUST and will be an interesting conversation with your insurer. I'd contact other people in the biz, other people who put on events, find out what waiver language they use and just how much your ass is covered by such waivers.

3. I'm a photographer and designer. Considering how much MORE of my life is spent webmastering than Dominating these days, I don't even see this as an inaccuracy. My immediate intimates know.
 
Marquis said:
We should make a Lit porno.
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:: huffs :: I'm so glad the hijackers are sexy and fun and would totally get parts in movies that I would make if I could.


1. I've noticed that in not US made porno there it is more likely to have bdsm and sex w/in the same videos if not in the same scene.
I do so wonder why it is illegal though.

2. Netz, do you know of anyone I could contact who would be willing to give me infornmation about how to start up, if I was to start up?

3. Web designer is an easy out because rarely people want to see the work that you do. I feel it would be easy in the beginning to fib and white lie and bend the truth ... but if the dream of a kinky bed and breakfast comes true, I would have a difficult time keeping parents out of a free room that I know I'll own them from time to time.
It may seem necessary by that time to "come out" to the family, or at least to someone in the family to help me keep the rest of them at bay.
 
1. It's US law. Things are freer in Europe, which is where most beat-and-fuck bdsm porn is made. Move your production house to Amsterdam or use dildos on sticks. Otherwise, expect to be prosecuted.

edit: Why is it illegal? There are hundreds of silly and stupid laws on the books. When talking about porn, however, the US is a very puritan and sexually uptight country and its laws reflect this. Don't expect them to make any sense, they mostly do not.

2. There's a huge legal side to the adult porn business and it's important to get familiar with the basics as it's so easy to break the laws and requirements if you don't know them. For example, if you are going to work with people you don't know, model releases are essential so they don't sue you later. So is a photocopy of each model-actor's ID. Certain other records must be kept and a notice that you are keeping such records must be placed on any website you use to sell your wares. You keep these records so that no one can later successfully accuse you of employing underage people to do sex scenes. The law I'm referring to is USC 18 2257 and it's just one of many that are of concern to people in the adult porn business.

There's a ton of adult webmaster help sites out there that will give you all the info you'd ever want on the legal aspects. Most of them have articles to read and fourms where you can post specific questions. Some of them are quite good, some of them are pieces of shit. I like cozyfrog, the quality of advise is usually decent there. Google them and you'll find them.

Can't answer #3 for you. If you don't get an answer here, I suggest you visit a bdsm couple's professional paysite, there are lots of them, email them about this.
 
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The South Florida porn scene is getting bigger. Maybe I could be a porn lawyer.
 
2. Netz, do you know of anyone I could contact who would be willing to give me infornmation about how to start up, if I was to start up?

Sorry, I really can't say I could point you that way, if I knew someone I would -- the people I knew who put on warehouse parties are not in my circles anymore, sad to say.
 
1. The reason it's illegal in most locals is because of groups that think there is something wrong with anyone that would choose BDSM style sex in the first place getting together with groups that see it as promoting violence against women and making a HUGE snit. They couldn't get BDSM porn outlawed completly so they settled for breaking it up, if there is BDSM there can't be sex and vice versa.
 
Most of the Euro BDSM type DVD"s we have bought have been without sex.....though we have not invested much in them and only bought when we found them going for a song. I do know that some years back Australian censorship law (which as in most things Oz mirrors those of the US these days :rolleyes: ) was altered to heavily regulate the porn video scene and part of that regulation meant sex and violence, or sex and drugs were definately not to appear in the same movie. They actualy made a fairly good job of outlawing BDSM altogether on film, though many snippets snuck through, but the main target seemed to be not associating sex and violence. Of course if you wanted to make a movie about somebody raping and hacking people apart with a machete, no problem, but consensual sex and consensual BDSM together?!!!....bad, bad, bad, and definately endangering the mental health of viewers. :confused:

I also expect the US has similar laws to OZ about sex in clubs etc., whereby if you pay to enter the club, then engage in sexual intercourse with the protection and knowledge of the club, the club owneers and operators are able to be prosecuted under laws relating to prostitution and procuring. It is also why lap dancers and strippers in Oz are not supposed to allow patrons to touch the merchandise as it is then deemed as selling sexual services and thus comes under prostitution legislation.

Catalina :rose:
 
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You might want to check out www.shadowfind.com

Someone sent me this link some time ago (it may have even been you, Catalina), and I thought it was an interesting idea. I don't know if the owners would be interested in giving you any tips or not, as I have no clue where you are, if you would be a direct competitor, etc. but I thought this was a cool idea for a business.

~Anelize
 
I honestly don't watch most bdsm movies because of the fact that their isn't any sex in them! If I am going to spend money on any form of porn video their best be something in them that is worth watching other than the usual candle wax, etc. Their needs to be something deeper than just that and sorry if some people here accuse this me just being a poser but to me more and more people seem to deny that bdsm is not about sex and every time I just laugh at that obviously bullshit lie.
 
Manacled penetration

I believe the law was made in the last 70's or early 80's to not allow "manacled penetration." I remeber reading about it and that was the term that was used. I guess this doesn't apply to dildo's etc.
 
whiteboy said:
I honestly don't watch most bdsm movies because of the fact that their isn't any sex in them! If I am going to spend money on any form of porn video their best be something in them that is worth watching other than the usual candle wax, etc. Their needs to be something deeper than just that and sorry if some people here accuse this me just being a poser but to me more and more people seem to deny that bdsm is not about sex and every time I just laugh at that obviously bullshit lie.
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Actually I find watching people fuck to be inordinately boring most of the time. There's not a lot of "there" there.
 
BlueSugar,

As others have mentioned a lot of this will depend on your location and the laws you live under.


1. I've got an inquiry in to someone who will know for sure for our location -- San Fernando Valley aka Porn Capital of the World --- but if you live outside our jurisdiction that won't be of much help to you unless you want to move here. (Do! I need more cool neighbors)

Tainted B gives good advice in directing you to webmaster support sites.

2. Here in LA there are several private clubs that cater specifically to the BDSM population. They are not open to the public and you can't just show up and join at the door on any given night. They do not operate as bars or restaurants -- no liquor license or food service stuff --- but you can bring your own. Running a private club would be different than runing a BDSM B&B, but the activities would be somewhat different as well. You might email the folks at Lair de Sade and see if they'd answer your questions about the logistics of setting up such a private club.

3. Well, I don't live in the BDSM lifestyle but I do work in the adult entertainment industry and while all my friends know, only my immediate family has been told --- most of my extended family would be horrified even if they knew how mundane and non-porny my actual job is. I generally don't discuss it with my parents and my brother isn't anywhere near as interested since he found out how little I actually have to do with production and "talent". ;->

-B
 
B&B

There's one in Missouri, near St. Joseph, I believe....

From what I understand, it works like this --

Guests at the B&B know its purpose. They pay for the rooms, the amenities, the atmosphere -- everything that a normal B&B caters to. The staff/owners of the business arrange for volunteers to meet with guests in order to engage in BDSM activities. The volunteers are not paid; they're in it for the experience.

I suppose it's rather like a hotel concierge arranging for "escorts" -- except that I get the idea that the volunteers and the guests do plenty of talking before they ever meet face to face (internet, phone, et cetera). The owners are not responsible, as what goes on behind closed doors is none of their business, literally. Safe, sane, consensual...references probably required and supplied on both sides.

It's a fabulous idea. At the very least, it moves B&Bs out of the "chintz, quilts, and cut glass" designer arena...though a nice quilt tossed over that medieval rack could brighten the corner up a bit, don't you think?

**BTW...if you get a B&BDSM off the ground, please let me know! I'd *love* to be your culinary artist!**

luck,
SKitt
 
Netzach said:
Actually I find watching people fuck to be inordinately boring most of the time. There's not a lot of "there" there.
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Niether is watching someone else getting beaten or bounded. Nothing really fun there in my opinion.
 
whiteboy said:
Niether is watching someone else getting beaten or bounded. Nothing really fun there in my opinion.
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You watch your porn and I'll watch mine.
 
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You watch your porn and I'll watch mine.

If you can call that porn, which it really isn't. If anything I'd rather have it done to me than watch it being done to someone else.
 
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