Attention all Blafro Americans

[Ham Murabi]

I didn't know how to label this. If you are black, Afro-Americans or just prefer to be called Americans and you are black, this question is for you.
A couple of weeks ago I was watching the playoffs with some buds. When the Bears won the announcer pointed out that Lovie Smith would be the first black to coach a Super Bowl team.
My friends and I looked at each other. What the fuck? What the fucking fuck? Could this be true?
Well, yes it is true. We were all surprised by that news.
I don't know about my friends, but I don't sit around and think about black coaches, brown businessmen or female astronauts.
So my question to all the fabulous blacks, Afro-Americans and Americans who happen to be black on Lit is: How big a deal is it that not one, but two black head coaches are pacing the sidelines at the Super Bowl today?

 

[Tathagata]

I didn't know how to label this. If you are black, Afro-Americans or just prefer to be called Americans and you are black, this question is for you.
A couple of weeks ago I was watching the playoffs with some buds. When the Bears won the announcer pointed out that Lovie Smith would be the first black to coach a Super Bowl team.
My friends and I looked at each other. What the fuck? What the fucking fuck? Could this be true?
Well, yes it is true. We were all surprised by that news.
I don't know about my friends, but I don't sit around and think about black coaches, brown businessmen or female astronauts.
So my question to all the fabulous blacks, Afro-Americans and Americans who happen to be black on Lit is: How big a deal is it that not one, but two black head coaches are pacing the sidelines at the Super Bowl today?

Blafro??

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I think the two best coaches are there
any given Sunday and all that
if it's a " story" it's only because of the lack of black coaches thus far

 

[Ham Murabi]

Blafro??

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I think the two best coaches are there
any given Sunday and all that
if it's a " story" it's only because of the lack of black coaches thus far

Dungy is a great coach. I'll bet Tampa Bay wishes it had him back.
Considering who he has to work with at quarterback, you've gotta believe Lovie Smith might be a little better than Dungy.

 

[Cade Is Here]

Its all over the headlines about it!!

 

[Tathagata]

Dungy is a great coach. I'll bet Tampa Bay wishes it had him back.
Considering who he has to work with at quarterback, you've gotta believe Lovie Smith might be a little better than Dungy.

I just gotta go with anyone who got through life being called " Lovie, that's one tough motherfucker

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Cade is here!!!

 

[Ham Murabi]

Cade is here!!!

Is that one of your alts?

 

[Shaq]

Blafro??

aaaaaaaaaahahahaha


I think the two best coaches are there
any given Sunday and all that
if it's a " story" it's only because of the lack of black coaches thus far

But the "only" is the key.

In a league where 70% of the players are non white 6/32 teams have non white coaches.


There is a descrepancy.

Gale Sayers said when he reitred he wrote to the then 28 teams about any kinda of coaching position and only one team, the raiders, even wrote him back to reject him.

Black coaches still face the same flack.


Great example, Mike Silver at Cnn wrote an article writing about why coaching discrimination still exists. And though it is not rooted in racial discrimination it ends up that way.

He mentioned that the old "we hired him cause he had a great interview" ends up privatizing the procedure and begs the question "What the fuck is a good interview?"

In the article he highlighted how Jerry Gray a guy who was a finalist with Jeff Tedford for the Cal job got fired in buffalo after one bad year, while Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton got head coaching nods after rather average (to below average for mccarthy. The 49ers were 23 in the league in offense and that dominance is what got him a head coaching job) while lauded coordinators like Donnie Henderson and Jerry Gray got pink slips.


Another reason it is still an issue is highlighting coaching hierachy. I forget who wrote the article but again an good one on cnn/si showing the league is still a copycat league.

Most head coaches can be traced back to one coach they worked for.

Sucessful coaches like Bill parcells mean their assistants get hired and are first on people lists.


Belicheck is the best recent example as Romeo Crennel, Chuck Weis and Eric Mangini who wasn't even a coordinator got scooped.

Highlighting that Dungy's staff boasts a LOT of success at the head coaching level means what SHOULD be happening is his assitants getting plucked.

Jim Caldwell the QB coach and Ron Meeks to DC are mentioned as potential head coaches but not with the sames volume as former fucking ball boy Josh Mcdaniel (New England's new OC) or retreds like Dom Capers and Norv Turner.

So, its a lot like black qbs.

These coaches in the super bowl show given the chance, GIVEN THE CHANCE black coaches are as good as anyone else. And since it just so happens that Dungy has a lot of blacks on his staff, what SHOULD be happening is they should be given a chance.

So yeah, it is still pretty important.

Also, it should call attention to the even more severe problem of NCAA head coaching which is disgraceful.

I'm rambling but it has been mentioned "Why doesn't anyone call Dungy a genius?"

The title has been given to Mangenius, Sean Payton, Weis, and of course belicheck but not dungy who has arguably had more sucess than each of them men minus bill.


Go Colts@

 

[Shaq]

I just gotta go with anyone who got through life being called " Lovie, that's one tough motherfucker

Rudy Gay and Decody Fagg are tougher.

 

[Cade Is Here]

Is that one of your alts?

Please...Lt is a racist and and sexiest....I'm none of the above!!

 

[Ham Murabi]

So, its a lot like black qbs.

These coaches in the super bowl show given the chance, GIVEN THE CHANCE black coaches are as good as anyone else. And since it just so happens that Dungy has a lot of blacks on his staff, what SHOULD be happening is they should be given a chance.

So yeah, it is still pretty important.

Also, it should call attention to the even more severe problem of NCAA head coaching which is disgraceful.

I'm rambling but it has been mentioned "Why doesn't anyone call Dungy a genius?"

Thanks for the input, Shaq. I wanted to get a perspective, because to me it just doesn't seem like a big deal. A coach is a coach, and good coaches get to the Super Bowl.
Speaking of geniuses, no one has used that label on Mike Shanahan since Elway retired and Terrell Davis tore up his legs.

 

[Shaq]

Thanks for the input, Shaq. I wanted to get a perspective, because to me it just doesn't seem like a big deal. A coach is a coach, and good coaches get to the Super Bowl.
Speaking of geniuses, no one has used that label on Mike Shanahan since Elway retired and Terrell Davis tore up his legs.

Shannie will still get in the hall though. Every win Kubiak gets he gets a share in.

Also, his teams just stay in the playoffs. I really do credit him, similar to Cowher, for how consistently his teams challenge for the post season.

The thing about Denver I want to know is who is coaching the RBs and OL

I really can't believe how they just plant anyone in that backfield and they get a 1000 yards.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Shannie will still get in the hall though. Every win Kubiak gets he gets a share in.

Also, his teams just stay in the playoffs. I really do credit him, similar to Cowher, for how consistently his teams challenge for the post season.

The thing about Denver I want to know is who is coaching the RBs and OL

I really can't believe how they just plant anyone in that backfield and they get a 1000 yards.

No question Shanahan is a good coach. My point is, as good as Manning is, Dungy will still be successful with the Colts with a new QB. And if Lovie Smith can make the Super with Rex Grossman as quarterback, for crying out loud ...
Shanahan does get good OL coaches. If you've got guys like Reuben Droughns, Mark Anderson and others getting way over 1,000, think of the yards Terrell Davis would have racked up if he didn't get hurt. He'd be wrapping up an amazing career about now.

 

[Shaq]

No question Shanahan is a good coach. My point is, as good as Manning is, Dungy will still be successful with the Colts with a new QB. And if Lovie Smith can make the Super with Rex Grossman as quarterback, for crying out loud ...
Shanahan does get good OL coaches. If you've got guys like Reuben Droughns, Mark Anderson and others getting way over 1,000, think of the yards Terrell Davis would have racked up if he didn't get hurt. He'd be wrapping up an amazing career about now.

Yeah, I still think TD should get into the hall.

I still gotta credit dungy. I think a lot of Smith's sucess from the way he top loaded his defense to compensate for the offense he learned form Dungy.

What amazes me about Dungy is his ability to make sucessful "reaches" for players.

Warrick Dunn, Dwight Freeney, Bob Sanders, I love how on draft day those pics seemed like reaches but now they are no brainers.

And Smith deserves credit but I want to see how he reacts when he loses top assistants (Turner, Rivera) and the tough schduling the Colts have faced every year.

Plus, he's got the best RB duo in the league. And I still don't think Grossman is THAT bad. He has heart he's just inconsistent. To me, he's still ahead of Eli Manning and Boller.

I think his confidence is shot but next year with better WRs and a good TE he'll be a pro bowler.

That is unless he chokes and the team loses by more than 30. In that case his so unconfident his career is over.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Interesting perspective on Grossman. From a distance he looks just as confident as always, but I never really paid attention to the Bears until the playoffs.
A couple of weeks ago, Grossman completed a 30-yard pass over the middle at a key time and one of the announcers made a big deal about how it was a risky throw. From my perspective, it didn't seem like anything special - good QBs make that pass all the time.
If Manning had made that pass it would just be Manning. It was interesting to me to have an announcer so eager to question a good result from Grossman.
If the Bears lose big and Grossman looks horrible, I think you're probably right. He'll disappear like David Woodley and Tony Eason.

 

[zipman]

What pisses me off is all the announcers labeling Lovie Smith as the "first" black coach to make it to the superbowl because his team had the early game.

 

[Shaq]

Interesting perspective on Grossman. From a distance he looks just as confident as always, but I never really paid attention to the Bears until the playoffs.
A couple of weeks ago, Grossman completed a 30-yard pass over the middle at a key time and one of the announcers made a big deal about how it was a risky throw. From my perspective, it didn't seem like anything special - good QBs make that pass all the time.
If Manning had made that pass it would just be Manning. It was interesting to me to have an announcer so eager to question a good result from Grossman.
If the Bears lose big and Grossman looks horrible, I think you're probably right. He'll disappear like David Woodley and Tony Eason.

I hated the pick in the first round when they made it. Never really thought grossman was that good.

And the bar is set low for Grossman.

His "I wasn't concentrating cause I was focusing on New Year's Eve" after his Ryan Leaf esque 0.00 QB rating was the 2nd worst QB performance I've ever seen.

That wasn't even professional. A top 25 high school QB would have done better.


That said, he looks like he's been bitched right now. His teamates will turn on him and call for Griese if he even comes close to botching a game like that again.

 

[Ham Murabi]

What pisses me off is all the announcers labeling Lovie Smith as the "first" black coach to make it to the superbowl because his team had the early game.

Someone has to be first.
Before the day is done, there will be a first black coach to win the Super Bowl.
But while we're at it, Zip, how significant is it, from your perspective, that there are two black head coaches for this game?

 

[zipman]

Someone has to be first.
Before the day is done, there will be a first black coach to win the Super Bowl.
But while we're at it, Zip, how significant is it, from your perspective, that there are two black head coaches for this game?

Significant in terms of the world, not very.

Significant in terms of racial equality and positive role models in this country, somewhat significant.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I didn't know how to label this. If you are black, Afro-Americans or just prefer to be called Americans and you are black, this question is for you.
A couple of weeks ago I was watching the playoffs with some buds. When the Bears won the announcer pointed out that Lovie Smith would be the first black to coach a Super Bowl team.
My friends and I looked at each other. What the fuck? What the fucking fuck? Could this be true?
Well, yes it is true. We were all surprised by that news.
I don't know about my friends, but I don't sit around and think about black coaches, brown businessmen or female astronauts.
So my question to all the fabulous blacks, Afro-Americans and Americans who happen to be black on Lit is: How big a deal is it that not one, but two black head coaches are pacing the sidelines at the Super Bowl today?

And yet, it is a white guy who found this "two black coach" thing thread worthy.

Dumb fuck.

 

[MechaBlade]

So my question to all the fabulous blacks, Afro-Americans and Americans who happen to be black on Lit is: How big a deal is it that not one, but two black head coaches are pacing the sidelines at the Super Bowl today?

Fairly significant. Not to me as much, as I don't watch much football. We note every Black first in something positive.

And we prefer the term Chocolate Americans.

 

[medjay]

So my question to all the fabulous blacks, Afro-Americans and Americans who happen to be black on Lit is: How big a deal is it that not one, but two black head coaches are pacing the sidelines at the Super Bowl today?

Semi big deal. It'll cease to be a big deal when it happens on a regular basis. Similar to the Oscars. . . It was a big deal not too long ago when Denzel Washington and Halle Berry both won best actor in the same year. Everyone was talking about it because it was unprecidented for blacks to win Oscars like that.

Fast forward to 2007: Forrest Whittaker, Jennifer Hudson and Eddie Murphy will likely win in their categories, several more black people are nominated right along with them (as well as many Hispanics), and nobody's talking about race at all. That's the way it ought to be.

The world of pro sports is still a step behind when it comes to racial equality in coaching and team ownership but it's slowly getting there.

 

[Nonchalant]

im black... and I think its cool, but nothing to Hoo-rah and talk about all day. They bring it up every 5 minutes, im sick of hearing about it.

 

[medjay]

I don't know about my friends, but I don't sit around and think about black coaches, brown businessmen or female astronauts.

That's a real nice luxury, isn't it?

 

[Tathagata]

I'm rambling but it has been mentioned "Why doesn't anyone call Dungy a genius?"

Because you are dealing with a " good ole boy" mentality like Boomer and Jerry Glanville
Whom ever win this superbowl I'm sure the genius label will be spread around with no hesitation