Atheists required to pass spiritual fitness test

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Atheist soldiers in the military face discrimination and prejudice and suffer punishment.

Slurs against atheists are allowed. Abuse of atheists is allowed. Discrimination against atheists is allowed.

Women once faced the glass ceiling of discrimination. Gay men and gay women once faced the glass ceiling of discrimination.

Those glass ceilings were broken enough to make allowance for them in the military. By law!

It's time to break the stained glass ceiling. The conservative evangelical clergy should not be allowed punish anyone for not conforming.

What caused a crack in the stained glass ceiling? An event called Rock Beyond Belief. The keynote speaker was the British biologist
and famous atheist author Richard Dawkins.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/episodes/april-20-2012/godless-chaplains/10814/

3000 chaplains- Ninety percent are Christian, even though only about 7 out of 10 soldiers claim to be Christian. There are also a handful of Muslim,
Jewish, and Hindu chaplains. Jason Torpy, an Iraq veteran, wants to know why the much larger group of atheists or humanists, estimated to be
about 40,000 soldiers, don’t have their own chaplain. What is preventing an atheist soldier from having an atheist chaplain?

“Anyone wanting to become a chaplain must have an endorsement from a qualified religious organization."

Who has control of who can qualify as a religious organization?

The only help offered to an atheist soldier is a suicide hotline.

Is it fair to tell an atheists soldier they are suicidal because they are not religious?

Is it fair for the army to deem an atheist soldier as an spiritually unfit soldier?

"I take this test again and again and again, because every three months since I failed a section, the spiritual portion,
that means I’m red (failing the test) and I have to take it again in three months."

"It’s offensive in the highest. It’s illegal. it’s unconstitutional, it’s a waste of money, and it’s another tool to keep us down,
to tell us atheists that we’re freaks or somehow unfit."
- SERGEANT JUSTIN GRIFFITH

Atheists face discrimination and disadvantages for not conforming-

Going to a psychiatrist, for whatever reason, is often interpreted as a negative on a soldier’s record.

Chaplains have unfettered access to troops and they have clergy confidentiality. If you go to a psychologist or a
psychiatrist within the military it goes on your official record, which can jeopardize your job.
 
It's real. It is happening now. Follow the link. Or go to PBS dot org - Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly

Look for April 20, 2012: Godless Chaplains

“We don’t treat soldiers that are atheists as atheists. We treat them as soldiers,” says Colonel Stephen Sicinski, base commander
at Fort Bragg. But Captain Jason Torpy says army chaplains are "either ignorant of or hostile to nontheistic beliefs."

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/
 
A chaplain for atheists is ridiculous. There is no group of people with an agreed upon moral or ethical philosophy called "atheism", and so we have no need of a spiritual mouthpiece.

Humanists are atheists who DO have an agreed upon philosophy. Get them a chaplain. Or any other group of godless individuals who have formed a philosophy of some sort.

But there is no atheist philosophy. Lumping all atheists into some sort of faith-based belief structure is just an attempt to create more theists.
 
The Onion?

Nope...when I enlisted in 01 they refused to accept "Atheists", and would not let me fill out any paperwork with that listed under "religion". I had to use "no religious preference" ....so just to spite them I listed JEDI as it was an acceptable religious view according to the federal gov.

It's funny...I can list JEDI KNIGHT acceptably as an official religious view with the fed but not Atheist LOL. Fucking christian police state.


A chaplain for atheists is ridiculous. There is no group of people with an agreed upon moral or ethical philosophy called "atheism", and so we have no need of a spiritual mouthpiece.

Humanists are atheists who DO have an agreed upon philosophy. Get them a chaplain. Or any other group of godless individuals who have formed a philosophy of some sort.

But there is no atheist philosophy. Lumping all atheists into some sort of faith-based belief structure is just an attempt to create more theists.
+1
 
It's real. It is happening now. Follow the link. Or go to PBS dot org - Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly

Look for April 20, 2012: Godless Chaplains

“We don’t treat soldiers that are atheists as atheists. We treat them as soldiers,” says Colonel Stephen Sicinski, base commander
at Fort Bragg. But Captain Jason Torpy says army chaplains are "either ignorant of or hostile to nontheistic beliefs."

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/

82nd must be back in Afghanistan. 325th gonna tear shit up mmmmmhmmm
 
If you don't drink the higher power Kool Aid, you're branded as being worse than a pedophile by a majority of the population. It's hilarious.

I get the dismissive "Atheists don't believe in anything" every once in awhile; I answer that with, "Theists will believe anything, no matter how stupid it is."

My favorite pro-Atheist phrase, however, is: "I don't have to pretend someone's watching in order to behave". ;)
 
"I don't have to pretend someone's watching in order to behave". ;)

You didn't know? God = morality son! you need some JESUS!!! Without god we would all kill each other TODAY!!! Rape is ok though....totally not part of the hard line morals of the 10 commandments. :D
 
Why on earth would you want to give a gun to someone who only cares about themselves?
 
Other than paperwork I've never heard of anyone getting harrassed over being an atheist and the paperwork is just standard government bullshit that's designed to appease.
Of course a chaplain isn't going to counsel an atheist. That would be dumb. Just as dumb as making atheist chaplains.
Nobody in the military cares about your religious preference. It doesn't come up unless you bring it up. Boot excluded. An atheist will catch Hell in Boot but most aren't dumb enough to actually refuse to go to a service.
 
But there is no atheist philosophy. Lumping all atheists into some sort of faith-based belief structure is just an attempt to create more theists.

+2

The true test of life is to realize that this is it and still retain our humanity; to look at our existence as a dead-end street, and not immediately try to run off the road.
 
Atheist, "believe" there is no God, but what about Jesus ?
 
You care only about yourself that is obvious..

You misunderstood when I said "I don't care about shit". It didn't mean I don't care about anything; I do. Just not shit, like you.

Besides, God made me an atheist. Who the fuck are you to question His wisdom? :cool:
 
No shirt I suspect.
My two pence, or stone or euro, or whatever the going rate is now.

The going rate is a pound of flesh, according to Jesus. And he's wearing a shirt. It says "Kiss me, I'm Irish." You owe me your spleen.
 
You hope they understand life is sacred...not a commodity.

Not even remotely close to answering my question.

"Why on earth would you want to give a gun to anyone who requires god in order to care for others?"

If 'god' is the only reason for people not murdering/rape(which is ok in the bible) / theft etc.... are they really moral or are they just victims of fear mongering? "Behave or god will smite you all the way to HELLLLLLL!!!" are they really moral? do they really understand life is sacred? hard to tell...

The atheist who does not murder/rape/steal etc.. dose so because they truely know better. Tthey require no god to tell them the diff between right and wrong. They do good things out of the kindness of their heart, not to score brownie points with the man at the pearly gates of eternal servitude.

So once again....why on earth would you give a gun to anyone who requires the fear of god to behave instead of just doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do?

Other than paperwork I've never heard of anyone getting harrassed over being an atheist and the paperwork is just standard government bullshit that's designed to appease.
Of course a chaplain isn't going to counsel an atheist. That would be dumb. Just as dumb as making atheist chaplains.
Nobody in the military cares about your religious preference. It doesn't come up unless you bring it up. Boot excluded. An atheist will catch Hell in Boot but most aren't dumb enough to actually refuse to go to a service.

Anything that will get drill off your back for even a min is worthwhile...even if you have to sit and listen to god's worthless mouthpiece.

There is no better explanation for religion in the military than this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xWji92N8RM&feature=relmfu
 
A chaplain for atheists is ridiculous. There is no group of people with an agreed upon moral or ethical philosophy called "atheism", and so we have no need of a spiritual mouthpiece.

Humanists are atheists who DO have an agreed upon philosophy. Get them a chaplain. Or any other group of godless individuals who have formed a philosophy of some sort.

But there is no atheist philosophy. Lumping all atheists into some sort of faith-based belief structure is just an attempt to create more theists.

+1!

In the name of the father...

http://superstarsofscience.com/wp-content/gallery/richard-dawkins/rd.jpg


the son...


http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2010/02/sam-harris-at-ted-2010-660x438.jpg


and the holy ghost...


http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/site_furniture/2007/06/26/christopherhitchens460.jpg



Amen from Amman,
Ellie
 
Why on earth would you want to give a gun to someone who only cares about themselves?
Why on earth would you want to give a gun to someone who takes moral guidance from an imaginary friend?
 
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