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[stickygirl]

A very licky Christmas to everyone in the LGBT

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

A very licky Christmas to everyone in the LGBT

Happy Christmas, Belated Happy Yule, and Happy New Year!

 

[TomOne]

A very licky Christmas to everyone in the LGBT

Merry Christmas sticks. Hope yours is wonderful and fulfilling.

 

[coati]

A very licky Christmas to everyone in the LGBT

Very good wishes to you.

 

[stickygirl]

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Sophie Labelle always nails it

 

[Prince Albert]

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Sophie Labelle always nails it

Well stated stickygirl!!!!!!!!!!

 

[stickygirl]

MtF

M? to F wtf?

why have I accepted this abbv when I've never been M? Sheesh - how did that one get by me? Thanks to Sophie Labelle's friend for wrecking the title of my thread
I'm not keen on AMAB either because that feels like some kind of sneaky admission that's muttered quietly under your breath, so I'm gonna be SGABEWDASMWMP

So Gorgeous At Birth Everyone Was Dazzled and Showered Me With Male Privilege... that has a ring to it.

Or just trans...
gorgeous trans

 

[coati]

You know, I must be like that relative you once described-- I don't even think of you as having 'transitioned".

My main gender-related perception about you is femininity, the same as all my female friends.

 

[stickygirl]

You know, I must be like that relative you once described-- I don't even think of you as having 'transitioned".

My main gender-related perception about you is femininity, the same as all my female friends.

Bless you Coati! It's a strange thing that these days I think less about my gender than before I transitioned. Before it was a roadblock, an itch I couldn't scratch, a weight on my brain and a source of depression. Now I fret about split ends or the laughter lines I'm getting round my eyes. Being normal is so beautifully 'dull'!

 

[stickygirl]

Why scientists should shut the fuck up

Prof Ben Munson, University of Minnesota, rushed out some half-baked, poorly led and basically incorrect fake research to the world press today 16th Feb 2018.

“The gender of children can be picked up from their speech from as young as five years old, researchers have revealed” says The Guardian.

In the news article, and others that support it, it asserts

“While Munson said gender dysphoria/GID is a good predictor of who is going to grow up to be a (sic) adult gay man,[patently incorrect] he rejected concerns that speech traits in childhood could be used to predict future sexual orientation, noting there are no long term studies in the area.“

Wtaf does that paragraph mean? Gender dysphoria has never been a predictor of who will grow up to be gay, dumbass - it’s gender, not sexuality. His rejection of the ‘concerns’ was clearly a quick ‘I’d better cover my ass here’ but his homophobic squeal was already out of the bag.

There’s more…

Munson suggests the findings could help researchers understand where the lisp stereotype comes from, although he noted that the study was based on a self-selected sample of children.

“Perhaps the reason that we see a higher incidence of the [lisp] in these kids is because the parents were troubled by it because the parents themselves had this stereotype in their minds,” he said.

Ah! So his ‘control group’ was based on children brought in by parents who thought “My kid talks gay - you gotta fix him.” They recorded kids with a lisp and compared them to kids without a lisp and reached the fucking mind-boggling conclusion that “The parents think they might be gay, because they have a lisp. We played recordings to ‘adults’ [ we don’t know who they were ] and they said ‘yes, we can tell a difference and with some of those samples we really couldn’t tell if it was a girl or a boy speaking’.” So the professor and his team put two and two together and…. rang the press immediately because this is hot news.

Apart from the shoddy science, he has also handed playground bullies a 'scientific' marker to kids that have a lisp - 'because they're gay'. What a thoughtless and despicable act of academic egotism.

 

[gunthernehmen]

StickyGirl, I grew up in a time and a place where one just did NOT admit to being gay or bi. If you did anything it was on the sly and NEVER talked about. You'd be lucky to get away with just a beating and permanent ostracization. So you hide it, even from yourself.

Then, decades later those feelings start to surface again only now you have to hide them from your wife and kids who you DEARLY love and wouldn't trade for anything.

Yet those thoughts keep coming back. Remembering how as a 10yo +/- kid I'd fantasize about being in some terrible accident and the docs had to reassemble me but only had parts to make me a girl (who amazingly recovered perfectly and with no pain LOL).

If things then were as (relatively speaking) accepting as they are now, I suspect I'd have led a very different life, perhaps one with an operation but definitely one with a (mostly) different set of partners and mates.

Not exactly a question I guess. Just some rambling thoughts.

(This is not in any way a response the post before mine! Just my own thoughts that bubbled up)

 

[stickygirl]

Thanks gunthernehmen and what you illustrate is that despite a lifetime of denial, you did not manage to 'grow out of it' or 'cure yourself' of your sense of gender. You're still here to tell the tale and lend support to the way things are done now.

I learned today that someone called Jesse Singal will be writing anti-trans articles for The Atlantic so if you find yourself in a discussion with a trans denier here's an article that shines a light on the changes in the diagnostic process. There is a big difference between kids who are GNC, gender non-conforming ( ie they reject the stereotypes ) and those who with GID, gender identity dysphoria but certain agenda-driven experts chose to muddle that distinction for their own grandiosement and financial gain.
Here's the link

 

[yukonnights]

Here's another article that I feel is worth linking to. It describes a troubling trend on backsliding in regard to equality for LGBTQ people...this one regarding Transgender rights in Kansas. It's not surprising that things have slid backwards in the current political/religious swing...but awareness is a good thing if it's to be pushed back.

Link -> Kansas Republican Party voted this weekend to “oppose all efforts to validate transgender identity.”

 

[stickygirl]

Here's another article that I feel is worth linking to. It describes a troubling trend on backsliding in regard to equality for LGBTQ people...this one regarding Transgender rights in Kansas. It's not surprising that things have slid backwards in the current political/religious swing...but awareness is a good thing if it's to be pushed back.

Link -> Kansas Republican Party voted this weekend to “oppose all efforts to validate transgender identity.”

Forgive me if I put off reading that until I'm in a better frame of mind

 

[coati]

There are two fairly recent educational pieces on gender. My gf told me about the recent coverage in National Geographic, which I just started reading.

And then, I just ran into a video piece narrated by Katie Couric, which included some statements that really turn things upside down for patriarchy. According to her piece, all of us humans start out as females very early in pregnancy. Female is the "default gender" for all of us. Then, certain genes can trigger some of these early fetuses to take on male characteristics, where a clitoris becomes a penis and the labia fuse.

The main thing that the genes trigger to bring about these male characteristics is testosterone. There is a whole spectrum of gender characteristics that can take place during pregnancy, and it is likely that some of these characteristics are influenced by environmental factors, not just genetics. They had a chilling section about how doctors would measure an infant's penis size to make gender surgery decisions when the child's physical characteristics did not fit into the binary constructs of society.

It makes evolutionary sense that female organisms are the origin of life, and that male organisms came along later, mainly because sexual reproduction served to expand genetic diversity.

Adam giving up a rib so that Eve could be created? I don't think so. It all starts with the feminine.

 

[CountryGuy2]

Here's another article that I feel is worth linking to. It describes a troubling trend on backsliding in regard to equality for LGBTQ people...this one regarding Transgender rights in Kansas. It's not surprising that things have slid backwards in the current political/religious swing...but awareness is a good thing if it's to be pushed back.

Link -> Kansas Republican Party voted this weekend to “oppose all efforts to validate transgender identity.”

Kansas is a pretty backward state. Please forgive (most of) us for being to stupid to see ... well anything.

 

[stickygirl]

There are two fairly recent educational pieces on gender. My gf told me about the recent coverage in National Geographic, which I just started reading.

And then, I just ran into a video piece narrated by Katie Couric, which included some statements that really turn things upside down for patriarchy. According to her piece, all of us humans start out as females very early in pregnancy. Female is the "default gender" for all of us. Then, certain genes can trigger some of these early fetuses to take on male characteristics, where a clitoris becomes a penis and the labia fuse.

~~~ It all starts with the feminine.

Thanks coati and I think I've read that NG magazine - in fact I rushed to buy it when it came out.
I checked back in this thread and the Couric video was due out 14th Feb. I don't suppose you have a link?
I've seen a few of her trans-themed interviews and she deals with topics very fairly: I almost wonder if she has personal interest beyond professional curiosity.
Yes - poor old men huh? We all start as female blanks till we're poisoned by testosterone I wish there was a better way to undo the changes in my body, like glands and free me of those medical concerns.

ETA
Shame I don't get Netflix, but I did coffee-spew when I saw it was screened through Fox. That would explain the negative feedback on the post-screening discussion which I've been watching here https://youtu.be/LnUvKMhooA4

 

[coati]

I found the Couric video on Netflix, listed as Gender Revolution.

Yes, contrary to the Old Testament, we all start out female. As my gf explained, this is the true origin of life in general, but clonal reproduction was not sufficient to ensure genetic diversity and the species resiliency that genetic diversity brings.

I love your use of the verb "poisoned". Most men I know never recover from the "toxic" effects and from their sense of entitlement to the privileges of a society that is based on patriarchy. As a result, it is difficult to form a close relationship with most men. A higher percentage of women are empathetic. This all may be changing with the coming generations. I sure hope so. You are among those at the vanguard.

 

[coati]

Kansas is a pretty backward state. Please forgive (most of) us for being to stupid to see ... well anything.

We are not going to hold you responsible for those in middle America who unquestioningly take their talking points from haters and foreign propagandists.

 

[stickygirl]

I found the Couric video on Netflix, listed as Gender Revolution.

Yes, contrary to the Old Testament, we all start out female. As my gf explained, this is the true origin of life in general, but clonal reproduction was not sufficient to ensure genetic diversity and the species resiliency that genetic diversity brings.

I love your use of the verb "poisoned". Most men I know never recover from the "toxic" effects and from their sense of entitlement to the privileges of a society that is based on patriarchy. As a result, it is difficult to form a close relationship with most men. A higher percentage of women are empathetic. This all may be changing with the coming generations. I sure hope so. You are among those at the vanguard.

It may not be a popular usage but it's how I've always described it's effect on me... apart from making me horny but I can take that or leave it tbh. Also it's helpful for helping people do amazing stuff like lifting whole cars off trapped children, but then how tf did the kids end up there anyway?

We are not going to hold you responsible for those in middle America who unquestioningly take their talking points from haters and foreign propagandists.

Seconded... but it doesn't put USA any further up my travel bucket. Sorry. Yellowstone looks cool though from a geological pov and I'd really like to ride a horse in Montana and see the lost settlements in the Texas desert and maybe watch a SpaceX take off and take the lift up the Empire State and see smoking manholes covers, but that's about it. Maybe be spanked by a cowboy too

 

[coati]

but it doesn't put USA any further up my travel bucket.

No need to apologize. I am not part of the travel bureau for Amerika. Just trying to change it back to America.

Not too many real cowboys left, anyway. Many of them are land and water speculators getting tax breaks and subsidies from the federal government, or just city guys who wear the costume and do the two-step.

 

[smill664u]

Lol

MtF

M? to F wtf?

why have I accepted this abbv when I've never been M? Sheesh - how did that one get by me? Thanks to Sophie Labelle's friend for wrecking the title of my thread
I'm not keen on AMAB either because that feels like some kind of sneaky admission that's muttered quietly under your breath, so I'm gonna be SGABEWDASMWMP

So Gorgeous At Birth Everyone Was Dazzled and Showered Me With Male Privilege... that has a ring to it.

Or just trans...
gorgeous trans

Too funny!!!

 

[stickygirl]

I found the Couric video on Netflix, listed as Gender Revolution.

I finally got to see it but had to pay and then could only watch it on my phone because apparently my computer and tv are too old... I was pretty good, with plenty of scenes borrowed from previous programs she's done. What I particularly liked was the way they started with interviews about intersex and then extended the rationale to transgender folk as well. I haven't seen that done as neatly as that before and it really worked well.

The post program Youtube is good too and can be viewed as a stand-alone.

 

[stickygirl]

Paula Stone Williams

This is a TEDx lecture given by elder trans spokeswoman PS Williams.
It ought to be posted in the GB, but there's way too much "love" for it over there and it expresses a theme I frequently experience myself: that of having seen the gender worlds from both sides, although she's a lot older than me.