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A Faustian bargain for glory - Joan Ryan, SF Chronical, December 5, 2004

In the course of researching a book some years back, I interviewed a mother who smacked and belittled her daughter, a talented young gymnast, to get her to try frightening new moves on the balance beam. "I once told her I was humiliated to be her mother," the woman said. "I said, 'If I have to literally go out there and get up on the beam with you, you're going to do it. If I have to beat you every day, you're going to do it.' ''

The mother spoke to me about two years after her daughter left gymnastics. "It's real bad what I did," she said. "It's real bad what other parents did. You get so competitive and you want your kid to be the best, and you're going to push, scream, yell and holler.''

The mother got what she wanted, or what she thought she wanted: a trip to Seoul to watch her daughter compete in the Olympics. But she carries in her the guilt and shame of how she got there. Her relationship with her daughter is unlikely ever to heal completely. The girl left the sport with toes so gnarled she couldn't wear high heels. She had 18 hairline fractures in one knee. She struggled with food and weight for years, having downed bottles of laxatives to stay thin.

There was nothing to be done, once it was all over.

Success had a price. The mother always knew that. But she was horrified to realize that the currency had been her child's health and her own one chance at being the kind of mother she once imagined she would be. I began to understand, during that interview, the dark lure of glory and what people are willing to sacrifice and sell for a shot at it.

This is what the BALCO steroids story is about. It is a familiar tale, hardly unique to sports, dating back to ancient Greek fables and, most famously, Faust, who sold his soul to the devil in exchange for youth, knowledge and power. More recently, there was Jayson Blair fabricating stories at the New York Times. He was willing to break every rule, compromise every ethic, for the front-page bylines that signal a reporter's arrival as a star. There was Ken Lay and his phenomenal run of success at Enron. He lied, cheated and risked prison to make himself one of the richest, most powerful men in business.

The steroids scandal in baseball is as morbidly fascinating and classically tragic as any Goethe play. The players -- Jason Giambi of the Yankees and Barry Bonds of the Giants, to name the two biggest stars -- were already wealthy and accomplished beyond imagining. They were among the best of the best, feared and respected, building careers that would be remembered by generations of baseball fans.

But it apparently wasn't enough. They wanted mythic fame, Herculean feats. So, it seems, they were willing to sell their souls to a guy in a chemistry lab. They were willing to risk the parts of themselves -- integrity, reputation, honor -- that, when the legs and arms eventually give out, would ultimately define who they are. Those are the parts that ultimately define who any of us are.

I wondered as I read the BALCO stories about the average person's version of steroids: the temptations in everyday lives to get ahead, the lure of the big payoff, the corner office, the top prize. The guy who pads a resume to beat out other applicants for a job. The wheeler-dealer who fudges the numbers to make sure his face lands on the Salesman of the Year plaque. The parent who pays a professional to ghost- write her son's college-entrance essays.

If there existed a pill that would increase my IQ by 30 points, infuse me with the eloquence of John Steinbeck and virtually guarantee me a Pulitzer, would I take it? Even if the pill were illegal, might damage my health and put me at risk of public humiliation if discovered? What if I knew other writers were taking it, creating an unfair competition for the top writing awards and threatening to unseat me from my job?

I'd like to think I wouldn't take it. But I don't have to answer the question because such a pill doesn't exist. For elite athletes, the question is inescapable in today's world of super competition and super pharmaceuticals. The BALCO story isn't big news simply because athletes have been caught using drugs. We have long known this. What sets this story apart is the scale of it, the enormous consequences.

Giambi developed a pituitary tumor, a common side-effect of steroid use. He has seen his productivity drop. He is likely to be fired by the Yankees, losing tens of millions of dollars in salary that had been, before the steroid revelations, guaranteed. His career could be over, his reputation shot. As for Bonds, despite his dogged insistence that he did not know the substances he ingested and applied to his skin were steroids, every record he has broken and award he has won has lost its shine. I wonder how Bonds will look back now on his historic record of 73 home runs.

Was the feat, as wondrous as it was, worth the price, if indeed the record was made possible through drugs? Could it be worth the pain of explaining to his children why daddy's picture is on the front page of the newspaper in December? Can any career accomplishment be worth that?

No matter what happens now, Bonds' home-run record will share the first paragraph of his obituary with the steroid scandal. One no longer exists without the other. In reaching so desperately for glory, these spectacular athletes doomed themselves to failure. That is the irresistible draw of the story: the O. Henry irony of it all. The athletes' willingness to pay any price for greatness is what, in the end, has brought about their almost certain ruin.
 
This article reminds me there's a lot to be said for living an ordinary life, as an ordinary being. Striving for success can and often does bring out the best in us, but sometimes we define success for ourselves in the worst possible way, leaving us with nothing more than a rapacious hunger that cannot be satisfied unless it is constantly fed.

I'll take a chocolate chip cookie over creme brulee today, please.
 
Speaking as a ballplayer...if there had existed a compound that would have made me able to hit a slider? I never had the carrot dangled, but I know that if I had been offered an illegal, dangerous but undetectable substance that would have made it so I could get to the majors I would have taken it. It would tempt me terribly now, with the wisdom of the passing years to draw upon. Back when I felt I was special and invincible? I would have done it.

Yet I do feel that there is still a difference between me and Giambi and Bonds. They already had tasted their dreams and were already at the pinnacle of their profession.
Also, for me there is the undeniable dislike for the personality and ego of Mr. Bonds that colors my view of him. I respect his abilities but have no appreciation of him as a person. I have seen too much of him over the years.
 
I can't think of many people at all, or things (including health, reputation, or ethics), I wouldn't sacrifice if offered something like that.

Not out of a desire for it, every day and normally, but an understanding of what can and can't tempt me.
 
Personally, I just assume that all prfessional athletes are taking or have taken some sort of dope somewhere in their career. I don't understand why other people are so damned shocked all the time. We already know that athletes are given all sorts of drugs and injections to help them deal with injuries. Is that so different from taking anabolic steroids?

In fact, drug use by anyone doesn't surprise me much. Our president was a coke and booze user, the governor of California most certainly used steroids in his body-building days. Hollywood people and musicians use all sorts of drugs to maintain their appearance and output. Why are we so horrified when we find that an athlete was taking performance-enhancing drugs? We all joke about needing our morning coffee or tea but get all bent out of shape when we hear about someone greeting the day with a line of coke or a hit of speed. What's the diff?

---dr.M.
 
OMG Perdita!! That is so sad!!

I had a mother telling me I was wasting years of my life when I went to college to study art... I'm almost glad she didn't push me like that. I was the first of my family to go to college. Since I broke the chain, many of my brothers and sisters followed suit. (I'm one of ten)

Each family to their own, I guess. That poor girl.

I bet she's not alone :(
 
Actually the problem is not use of steroids, it is MISUSE of steroids.

At one point in time I was taking medically prescribed steroids to recover from an injury. My use was ethical and medically sound.

The problem here is that an athlete finds that a pill or shot gives him an advantage. Suddenly the thought pops into his mind, 'What if I took two pills/shots?' The situation can escalate to the point of the baseball player Ken Caminitti who died to complications related to steroid misuse.

As bad as the situation is for male athletes, three are horror stories of female Olympic athletes (particularly from the old East Germany) who, in essence, gave up their sexuality to win a medal.

The problem is serious and growing. Not only are athletes abusing steroid-like drugs, the labs keep churning out new, secret stuff that works like steroids yet cannot be detected by the existing tests.

It is a big problem.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Personally, I just assume that all professional athletes are taking or have taken some sort of dope somewhere in their career. I don't understand why other people are so damned shocked all the time. We already know that athletes are given all sorts of drugs and injections to help them deal with injuries. Is that so different from taking anabolic steroids?

Absolutely Doc. Take it from the inside. I took pretty much anything the trainer gave me, granted. But that is coming from a source I am employed by and I am supposed to trust. There were some things I was given, or at least some levels of things, that I took that were long-term dangerous. But there is a huge difference between a pain-killing injection to allow you to fight through something and steroids taken willingly and knowingly to cheat.

Don't believe Bonds who tells you he did not know he was taking steroids. At that level, with his background and income, there is no way he did not know. He is simply so smug and has believed for so long that he is literally more important than anyone around him that he did not care. " I'm Barry Bonds, they ain't gonna do shit to me".

I was never at the level where that little bit extra was going to make that difference for me. Steroids only help if you actually hit the ball. Hitting it far was not my problem, hitting it at all was.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Personally, I just assume that all prfessional athletes are taking or have taken some sort of dope somewhere in their career. I don't understand why other people are so damned shocked all the time. We already know that athletes are given all sorts of drugs and injections to help them deal with injuries. Is that so different from taking anabolic steroids?

In fact, drug use by anyone doesn't surprise me much. Our president was a coke and booze user, the governor of California most certainly used steroids in his body-building days. Hollywood people and musicians use all sorts of drugs to maintain their appearance and output. Why are we so horrified when we find that an athlete was taking performance-enhancing drugs? We all joke about needing our morning coffee or tea but get all bent out of shape when we hear about someone greeting the day with a line of coke or a hit of speed. What's the diff?

---dr.M.

I don't like that thought and I'm proud that the sport I support is mostly clean. The idea of sport is to do your best. Not to do the best that your local pharmacist can do.

The Earl
 
I'm sorry. I can't get past the physical and emotional abuse that went on. Anyone that would go that far is a sick fuck and should never bear children. Should the unfortunate happen and they bring children into this world, and they treated their children in such a manner as the woman in the article above, I should hope those parents would have the shit beat out of them so they could see how it feels.

I pity the person who'd like to argue with me on this point.
 
The problem to my mind is that we live in a society where enough is never enough.

I was talking to a buddy the other night, works in the entertainment industry, makes about $250,000 a year.

It's not enough for him. he speaks enviously of a person who make $10 million.

To me, who has been living on $7,500 disability for ten years, this makes no sense. $250,000 would be close to paradise for me.

But that's the way it is. "Poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king. And the king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything."

So I'm not surprised at this sort of behaviour. Disgusted yes, surprised no.

And few of us are taught that everything comes with a price.
 
The art forms which do the most direct job of teaching lessons like "everything comes with a price" come, paradoxically, with a price. It is rich people who support the theater. The plays tell them, sometimes baldly and rudely, that they are being uncaring, destructive rich assholes, and that innocents are paying for it, and the rich in the seats applaud and subscribe more donations for the next scathing play to be put on.

cantdog
 
Belegon said:
Speaking as a ballplayer...if there had existed a compound that would have made me able to hit a slider? I never had the carrot dangled, but I know that if I had been offered an illegal, dangerous but undetectable substance that would have made it so I could get to the majors I would have taken it. It would tempt me terribly now, with the wisdom of the passing years to draw upon. Back when I felt I was special and invincible? I would have done it.

Yet I do feel that there is still a difference between me and Giambi and Bonds. They already had tasted their dreams and were already at the pinnacle of their profession.
Also, for me there is the undeniable dislike for the personality and ego of Mr. Bonds that colors my view of him. I respect his abilities but have no appreciation of him as a person. I have seen too much of him over the years.

Belegon, I hear you man. I spent most of my life around athletics and know what you are saying.

Not many people know how many things have to come together just right at just the right time and how much work has to be put in for an athlete to make it. I won't go on.

But I feel you.

Ed
 
Thinking about this while lying in bed this morning. I remembered dr_m's thread, "The Good is the enemy of the Great".

I'm leaning to the idea that greatness is the enemy of goodness.

What we're willing to do in order to become 'great' often means we're willing to chuck what makes us good over the side.

I'm beginning to think we should place Ambition with the deadly sins. Or would that come under Avarice?
 
Without ambition nothing gets accomplished.

As for athletics, the sacrifices often start early. And I am not talking about parents driving kids. All Star teams for 10 year olds, traveling teams for ten and twelve year olds, etc., all that shit is for the parents. It is not for the kids. Much of it harms the kids. To be considered a loser in anything at 10 is an atrocity.

I am talking about the sacrifices a kid who truly loves sports has to make.

In middle school, you wanted to be in the band and play the drums. You had good rhythm and would have been a good drummer but you had to make a choice and you chose athletics.

The girl you talked with at lunch asked you to come to her house but you had practice so she asked Tommy who plays drums in the band. Tommy has more natural talent than you but he chose band. Tommy won’t become an athlete.

In high school, you couldn’t work a job and buy a car. Jerry wanted a car so he quit sports to take a job. A girl you had your eye on started going with Jerry because he gave her a ride home in his car while you were in the weight room or on the field. Jerry won’t become an athlete.

Your sprained an ankle but played in pain with it taped, iced it every night, went to school thirty minutes early every morning to put it in the whirlpool. Jimmy sprained his and quit rather than take the pain. Jimmy won’t be an athlete.

You spend more time at the school than the principal or any of the teachers. You get noticed for your exploits on the field but few know the hours you are putting in or the price you are paying. You spend extra hours practicing, running and in the weight room.

Baseball becomes your best sport.

At the end of your senior year, you have a choice to make. The Yankees want to give you to a $10,000 signing bonus and pay you $15,000 for a year in the rookie league. Methodist Baptist College wants to give you a partial scholarship which means it will only cost you $10,000 a year to go there.

You take the Yankees’ offer.

In rookie camp everyone is good. Everyone has a great arm like you, everyone has great hands like you, everyone can knock the shit out of the ball and everybody works hard.

Your first day, the manager calls a meeting. He says that he doesn’t give a fuck how goddamned good you are, there are two ways in his camp, his way and Trailways. Make up your fuckin’ mind ‘cause he don’t have time to waste on fuckin’ losers. And he means it. It ain’t high school any more. Some are given a bus ticket that day.

If that mean sumbitch on the mound throwing 92 mph would just throw you first pitch 92 mph fast balls you would knock the shit out of them, hit his shit 450 ft half the time and become a multi-millionaire.

But he’s sneaky and mean. He knocks you down sometimes, scares you, makes you almost piss your pants. He looks just like he’s throwing that 92 mph fast ball other times but it is a change up that only comes in at 75 mph and you look foolish swinging before it gets there. Then he gets really, really mean and knocks you down then throws a change up then that wicked slider that comes in at 84mph just above the knees and when you only have 1/10 of a second to decide whether or not to swing, it suddenly breaks down and away about six lousy inches.

If you can hit that son-of-a-bitch about 25% of the time, you can get a ticket to play Class A for a year and then maybe join the Yankees in a couple. Just hit that fuckin’ slider 25% of the time and you are a millionaire. Hit it 30% of the time and your face is on a fucking Wheaties box.

But you can only hit it 20% of the time. You go home. Hit the slider 20% of the time you go home, 25% of the time you become a millionaire, 30% of the time you are in the fucking Hall of Fame.

After all the work and sacrifice, if a pill would give you that little extra ability that would get you over the top, enable you to realize a dream, a fantasy, most young athletes would take it. I would have.

That is what I am talking about and maybe what Belegon was saying. I can’t speak for him.

Ed
 
she_is_my_addiction said:
I'm sorry. I can't get past the physical and emotional abuse that went on. Anyone that would go that far is a sick fuck and should never bear children. Should the unfortunate happen and they bring children into this world, and they treated their children in such a manner as the woman in the article above, I should hope those parents would have the shit beat out of them so they could see how it feels.

I pity the person who'd like to argue with me on this point.

But a lot of people will praise that little girl for her accomplishments and admire her. Fewer people are praised an admired for ethics and love and compasion than for accomplishement.

It's more of a problem with society and it's priorities than with any single parent. (Not that I think that it's ok, simply that it's not the root of the problem.)

I think we should all look at ourselves. Why do we so admire Kerry Strug for contining on with her injeries? And others in similer situations.

Are we not all part of the problem?
 
Amy Sweet said:
But a lot of people will praise that little girl for her accomplishments and admire her. Fewer people are praised an admired for ethics and love and compasion than for accomplishement.

It's more of a problem with society and it's priorities than with any single parent. (Not that I think that it's ok, simply that it's not the root of the problem.)

I think we should all look at ourselves. Why do we so admire Kerry Strug for contining on with her injeries? And others in similer situations.

Are we not all part of the problem?

I'm not interested in any of the rest of the article, simply the part dealing with the abuse. I stick to my former comment. I'm going to finish before I kill someone.
 
cantdog said:
The art forms which do the most direct job of teaching lessons like "everything comes with a price" come, paradoxically, with a price. It is rich people who support the theater. The plays tell them, sometimes baldly and rudely, that they are being uncaring, destructive rich assholes, and that innocents are paying for it, and the rich in the seats applaud and subscribe more donations for the next scathing play to be put on.

cantdog

You know, I was thinking about that when I read the words to Le Misarable (sp?) I mean- who are these people sitting in this theater watching this play? Do they not see what is in front of there eyes? Do they not comprehend? And then of course in real life they do everything possible to distance themselves from anything really like that- to avoid seeing it. Maybe they think it is meant to be fiction? I think it must be a beautiful play- but I don't think I would consider it exactly 'entertainment' I felt rather depressed for about a week after just reading it. I don't know if I could survive a production. I can see why a 'miserable' would like it- "finally look, someone tells it like it is" but if it makes no effect on the audience- what the hells the point?

Maybe i'm just to sensative, but the whole concept makes my head spin.

(sorry if this is off topic)
 
Edward Teach said:
Without ambition nothing gets accomplished.

As for athletics, the sacrifices often start early. And I am not talking about parents driving kids. All Star teams for 10 year olds, traveling teams for ten and twelve year olds, etc., all that shit is for the parents. It is not for the kids. Much of it harms the kids. To be considered a loser in anything at 10 is an atrocity.

I am talking about the sacrifices a kid who truly loves sports has to make.

In middle school, you wanted to be in the band and play the drums. You had good rhythm and would have been a good drummer but you had to make a choice and you chose athletics.

The girl you talked with at lunch asked you to come to her house but you had practice so she asked Tommy who plays drums in the band. Tommy has more natural talent than you but he chose band. Tommy won’t become an athlete.

In high school, you couldn’t work a job and buy a car. Jerry wanted a car so he quit sports to take a job. A girl you had your eye on started going with Jerry because he gave her a ride home in his car while you were in the weight room or on the field. Jerry won’t become an athlete.

Your sprained an ankle but played in pain with it taped, iced it every night, went to school thirty minutes early every morning to put it in the whirlpool. Jimmy sprained his and quit rather than take the pain. Jimmy won’t be an athlete.

You spend more time at the school than the principal or any of the teachers. You get noticed for your exploits on the field but few know the hours you are putting in or the price you are paying. You spend extra hours practicing, running and in the weight room.

Baseball becomes your best sport.

At the end of your senior year, you have a choice to make. The Yankees want to give you to a $10,000 signing bonus and pay you $15,000 for a year in the rookie league. Methodist Baptist College wants to give you a partial scholarship which means it will only cost you $10,000 a year to go there.

You take the Yankees’ offer.

In rookie camp everyone is good. Everyone has a great arm like you, everyone has great hands like you, everyone can knock the shit out of the ball and everybody works hard.

Your first day, the manager calls a meeting. He says that he doesn’t give a fuck how goddamned good you are, there are two ways in his camp, his way and Trailways. Make up your fuckin’ mind ‘cause he don’t have time to waste on fuckin’ losers. And he means it. It ain’t high school any more. Some are given a bus ticket that day.

If that mean sumbitch on the mound throwing 92 mph would just throw you first pitch 92 mph fast balls you would knock the shit out of them, hit his shit 450 ft half the time and become a multi-millionaire.

But he’s sneaky and mean. He knocks you down sometimes, scares you, makes you almost piss your pants. He looks just like he’s throwing that 92 mph fast ball other times but it is a change up that only comes in at 75 mph and you look foolish swinging before it gets there. Then he gets really, really mean and knocks you down then throws a change up then that wicked slider that comes in at 84mph just above the knees and when you only have 1/10 of a second to decide whether or not to swing, it suddenly breaks down and away about six lousy inches.

If you can hit that son-of-a-bitch about 25% of the time, you can get a ticket to play Class A for a year and then maybe join the Yankees in a couple. Just hit that fuckin’ slider 25% of the time and you are a millionaire. Hit it 30% of the time and your face is on a fucking Wheaties box.

But you can only hit it 20% of the time. You go home. Hit the slider 20% of the time you go home, 25% of the time you become a millionaire, 30% of the time you are in the fucking Hall of Fame.

After all the work and sacrifice, if a pill would give you that little extra ability that would get you over the top, enable you to realize a dream, a fantasy, most young athletes would take it. I would have.

That is what I am talking about and maybe what Belegon was saying. I can’t speak for him.

Ed

Incredible.

I'm a never-will-be and there is nothing like the channel through sports in England that there is in USA, so I don't know that much about it. Thank you for the inside look.

The Earl
 
Edward Teach said:

After all the work and sacrifice, if a pill would give you that little extra ability that would get you over the top, enable you to realize a dream, a fantasy, most young athletes would take it. I would have.

That is what I am talking about and maybe what Belegon was saying. I can’t speak for him.

Ed

Obviously, Ed and I have some shared experiences.

Me, I 'm the guy who did all the little shit to stay on the team in college. I ran the errands, stayed late after getting there early, begged people to throw more batting practice. I didn't have as much talent as some but coach kept me around so he could say to someone's face that "if Belegon had half your fucking talent he would be in the majors, but you can't even cut it in college".

So some of your teamates respect you and some resent you. Every year they bring in a new kid to take your job, and every year it looks like the rookie has your spot when the fall practices are over. Then the stud spends more time at parties than in the gym and somehow you stay on the team.

You manage to keep playing. Then at graduation you could have taken that job in Chicago for 35K but instead you play single A ball for $800 a month. You stay late or get there early to catch extra Bully so the pitching coach likes you and will have your back. But the Manager don't care. You are no bonus baby, the big club has no money invested in you and you have to do twice what the little shit with the Porsche does just to keep playing.

Pitchers won't listen even though you spent hours pouring over pitch charts while they got drunk, so they shake you off four times in one at bat. Then you bail their ass out by throwing out the fucker who is staring at the blonde behind first and they act like they won the fucking game with their weak ass shit. Never mind that they have the next four days off except for a jog and a Bully and your knees are killing you and you can't sleep on your right side because your arm hurts so bad.

Finally, two weeks after you finally get some glory with a walkoff job, you stay in front of an offensive line sized DH coming at you from third on a short fly ball to right and your cleat catches and the whole dream is over except for the surgeries.

And you wonder if I would risk taking a needle in the butt to trade that for millions and the chance for at least a cup of coffee?

Sports in the US is a ticket for some to their wildest dreams but remember that for every arrogant major leaguer there are 25-30 guys like me and Ed. And to "the organization" you ain't nothing but a slab of meat whose value is measured in stats.

The saddest part? I would not trade those short months for the world.
 
I suppose I should count myself lucky, in a way. The only thing I have ever wished to do well is to write. Alas, I write poorly. But I can practice all I like - at least, as work allows - and try essentially for free. I don't need a stadium, a team, or an Olympics to attempt that which makes me passionate.

I wish it were so for everyone. It seems a kinder and gentler sort of ambition.
 
This thread reminds me of my favorite Sandman comic wherein Dream meets every hundred years with a man granted immortal life to see if he'll ever get tired of it. In part of it Will Shakespeare is conversing with Kit Marlowe and makes this speech:

"To give men dreams to live on forever. For that I would bargain like your Faustus with the darkest powers."
 
Lucifer_Carroll said:
This thread reminds me of my favorite Sandman comic wherein Dream meets every hundred years with a man granted immortal life to see if he'll ever get tired of it. In part of it Will Shakespeare is conversing with Kit Marlowe and makes this speech:
"To give men dreams to live on forever. For that I would bargain like your Faustus with the darkest powers."
I know my Shakespeare and I cannot imagine he would have said anything like that; he did not need to.

Perdita
 
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