Article on BDSM

[PennLady]

This is from Slate.com and I am not endorsing or agreeing, just posting the link b/c I thought it was interesting.

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...sochism_why_s_m_will_never_go_mainstream.html

 

[lovecraft68]

A lot of good points.

BDSM when practiced safely is enjoyable for all involved.

But damn straight a "lifestyle" that involves itself around dominance and pain draws more than its share of sickos.

They feel it gives them a "legit" excuse to hurt people and I can tell you that I have met "pain sluts" who absolutely frighten me.

If placed with a responsible practitioner all will be within reason, but a pain slut who falls into the hands of a twisted sadist will be permanently scarred and hurt badly.

This article to me is "shades" of shades of gray where the BDSM portrayed was totally irresponsible and at one point glorified, but as time wears on that seems to be getting spun the other way now.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I dont waste my time reading such books, if you want the flavor of BDSM enlist in the Marine Corps circa 1967. I was in the Air Force, and I saw a kid beat up minutes after we walked in our barracks. At the airport the biggest goddamned human I've ever seen picked up 2 boys by their collars and shook them like a rug. He was a sergeant.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur3121e_Cgg

Looks identical to my old barracks.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I dont waste my time reading such books, if you want the flavor of BDSM enlist in the Marine Corps circa 1967. I was in the Air Force, and I saw a kid beat up minutes after we walked in our barracks. At the airport the biggest goddamned human I've ever seen picked up 2 boys by their collars and shook them like a rug. He was a sergeant.

That's a good flavor, I'm sure-- but not the flavor of BDSM.

And having read the article, I am pretty much in agreement with it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That's a good flavor, I'm sure-- but not the flavor of BDSM.

The Caped Capons? I know about them.

 

[lovecraft68]

The Caped Capons? I know about them.

Next from DC Comics, The Dark Knight takes on the infamously effeminate Caped capons!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Next from DC Comics, The Dark Knight takes on the infamously effeminate Caped capons!

BAWK! BAWK! BAWK! BAWK!

THEYRE EVERYWHERE! THEYRE EVERYWHERE!

 

[PennLady]

Next from DC Comics, The Dark Knight takes on the infamously effeminate Caped capons!

Actually they sound more like they'd be from The Tick, at least the animated series.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDDoSb73rA8

THE CAPED CAPON from 1960s radio.

 

[lovecraft68]

Actually they sound more like they'd be from The Tick, at least the animated series.

The Tick! There's some comic book flash backs. I spent two months trying to find a first print of number one for my best customer. It wouldn't have been that hard, but he was cheap when it came to back issues and had a limit. In the end I gave up on making a profit and lost a few dollars to make him happy.

Fun cartoon series though.

 

[Stella_Omega]

The Caped Capons? I know about them.

You really don't know anything about BDSM. But, like so many people pro and con, you are absolutely positive that you do.

Anyway, BDSM is not ever going to be mainstream.

 

[PennLady]

You really don't know anything about BDSM. But, like so many people pro and con, you are absolutely positive that you do.

Anyway, BDSM is not ever going to be mainstream.

But that's okay, isn't it? I mean, not everything can or will or maybe should be mainstream. But that doesn't mean anything is bad or wrong.

 

[danger2no]

BDSM is stupid. I'd rather go bowling.

 

[Stella_Omega]

But that's okay, isn't it? I mean, not everything can or will or maybe should be mainstream. But that doesn't mean anything is bad or wrong.

Oh yeah-- it's okay.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

In the bible of BDSM, which I read and discarded (the title and author Stella will remember, I don't), the author puts what I figure is the optimistic figure that no more than one person in three has any interest or would take any enjoyment in even the mildest scenes. I believe it. Having never felt even the slightest bit of a runners' high, I can't imagine finding the adrenaline of pain being the least bit attractive. That's why, when I wrote Horner Springs Institute, Ch 2 I had to have Stella coach me through the scenes. And even then the story isn't about BDSM, really, but about a couple that doesn't communicate well and one wants to try out the sub role and the other wants nothing to do with it, at all. Most people simply don't get turned on that way and there's no reason why they should. Leave responsible Leather-ers alone but if someone thinks they're inclined in that direction, do your research and make sure to join a group with a history of being careful.

 

[WyldIce]

And having read the article, I am pretty much in agreement with it.

I have to agree. While I accept that how any two people want to live their lives have the right to do so, extending D/s outside of the bedroom bothers me a little.

I was not long ago reading about a couple who openly live this lifestyle in front of their children and all I can think is 'What kind of view on the male/female dynamic are these children going to have when they're older?' Again, it's their lives and they have to right to do whatever they want but as a mother I personally don't like the idea of this subservient attitude being displayed in front of children.

But again, that's just me.

 

[lovecraft68]

You really don't know anything about BDSM. But, like so many people pro and con, you are absolutely positive that you do.

Anyway, BDSM is not ever going to be mainstream.

Yes and no.

What the "popular" crowd begins to perceive as BDSM will go mainstream. They will push their version if it to be the definition of it whether it is true or not

Leaving the "purists" to roll their eyes in disgust and hope it goes away quickly.

For awhile shades did create this group and the general consensus in BDSM chat rooms was "God help us" and to also help the girl who really thinks she wants to meet a guy like Grey.

It seems to have faded, but wait until the movie comes out.

A simple test is to ask the "I'm down with BDSM" clod what the 4 letters stand for.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

I saw a show on this subject not too long ago. Lisa Ling hosted it. It was about all of these people who lived a "kinky" lifestyle. One part talked about a couple who play together but never have penetrative sex. The article had all of the same talking points of the show.
The show never touched on these people wanting to be a recognized minority though. Is it really so hard to just do your thing and keep everyone else out of it?

 

[lovecraft68]

I saw a show on this subject not too long ago. Lisa Ling hosted it. It was about all of these people who lived a "kinky" lifestyle. One part talked about a couple who play together but never have penetrative sex. The article had all of the same talking points of the show.
The show never touched on these people wanting to be a recognized minority though. Is it really so hard to just do your thing and keep everyone else out of it?

Apparently in this day and age it is impossible to do so.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Oh, sure it is. If some reporter calls and asks if you want to be interviewed by the press, 'just say no'.

 

[Stella_Omega]

The L.A. pride celebration offers "Erotic City" party, which is dedicated to kink.

One of the things that kinksters love to do is show off their chops to an admiring crowd. They work so hard on their protocol! Also, exhibitionism-- some people don't really think BDSM is worth anything unless it's happening on a stage.

Maybe six years ago, a few straight couples found their way into the tent. It seemed okay, after all, they were outlaws too-- but the next year, they brought their friends. And the year after that-- more straight couples. And most of het D/s is women kow-towing to men. Which.. yanno, is nothing none of us have never seen before, and some of us would like to have a few days free of it. The organisers asked all of the M/f couples to kindly refrain from replicating heterov norms in queer space, and-- oh, what a ruckus and dismay!

The conversation was enlightening. Seems little ladies who want to kiss their boyfriend's boots whenever the notion strikes them feel oppressed just like lesbians are.

No.. they haven't been welcomed back, Instead, the hetero D/s crowd got off their lazy asses and created their own pride event. I'm all for it, personally. I don't have to attend if I don't feel like it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You really don't know anything about BDSM. But, like so many people pro and con, you are absolutely positive that you do.

Anyway, BDSM is not ever going to be mainstream.

I've done BDSM. I get no kix from spanking a womans ass with a belt. I had 2 girlfriends into BDSM. You fergit I did psychotherapy and social control for a long time, not to mention a career in construction, military service, and beaucoup experience with prostitutes.

 

[lovecraft68]

The L.A. pride celebration offers "Erotic City" party, which is dedicated to kink.

One of the things that kinksters love to do is show off their chops to an admiring crowd. They work so hard on their protocol! Also, exhibitionism-- some people don't really think BDSM is worth anything unless it's happening on a stage.

Maybe six years ago, a few straight couples found their way into the tent. It seemed okay, after all, they were outlaws too-- but the next year, they brought their friends. And the year after that-- more straight couples. And most of het D/s is women kow-towing to men. Which.. yanno, is nothing none of us have never seen before, and some of us would like to have a few days free of it. The organisers asked all of the M/f couples to kindly refrain from replicating heterov norms in queer space, and-- oh, what a ruckus and dismay!

The conversation was enlightening. Seems little ladies who want to kiss their boyfriend's boots whenever the notion strikes them feel oppressed just like lesbians are.

No.. they haven't been welcomed back, Instead, the hetero D/s crowd got off their lazy asses and created their own pride event. I'm all for it, personally. I don't have to attend if I don't feel like it.

Yeah, because there are no such things as Mistresses or Dominatrix. Yes, Stella all women kowtow in D/S relationships. No men are ever submissive, ever.

can you for once keep your "Us poor oppresses lesbians/women" crap out of a conversation?

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go worship my wife's feet and if I do a good enough job, might get to go a little further.

Guess I'm the only submissive guy in the modern world.

 

[devinity7]

I've never lived the lifestyle, read about it some and no, not from 50 Shades. I don't find that to be an accurate accounting. It's hard to say who's right and who's wrong. I don't think anyone should advocate injuries, but it's consenting adults, so what can one do?

Also, someone stated it's not a good practice in front of children for a woman to be subservient, yet I'm sure you can find others that say homosexual couples do not teach children what "normal," relationships should be either. There are heterosexual couples that aren't into any kind that aren't good role models for their kids either...

There's always a thin line with everything.