Arrest Info Here.

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[MrBates]

as far as I'm concerned...this is war.
no need for a trial.

execute them on the spot!!

there's lots of us Texan's here that will help if need be!!
MrB

 

[Dillinger]

That is NOT how Americans act. Period.

 

[MrBates]

Sorry.
I disagree.

They laid down the guantlet. Made it quite clear that it's gonna be us or them.

I know which side I'm choosin'

MrB

 

[Sephiroth]

as far as I'm concerned...this is war.
no need for a trial.

execute them on the spot!!

there's lots of us Texan's here that will help if need be!!
MrB

If we start executing people without confirming their guilt then we are no better than the terrorists. We BECOME the enemy! Also I would like to state that being born and raised in Texas not all of us are gun-toting bigots.

 

[crystalhunting]

Sorry.
I disagree.

They laid down the guantlet. Made it quite clear that it's gonna be us or them.

I know which side I'm choosin'

MrB

Mr.Bates....who is them?..the terroist?..or the whole arab world?

Mr.Bates...I live here in Dallas just like you,I was attacked leaveing the Mosque off Greenville and Centeniel the other day because I'm a Muslim and an easy target.

If americans have a vigilante attitude,then we cease to be americans,for the most part Americans have stood for the best,not the lowest common denominator.

This applies to Texans as well.
I certainly don't care to die because my belief in God is equated with terrorism.

Please lower your anger...and allow the angels of your nature time to assert itself.

CH

 

[Mischka]

I heard today that 2 men were arrested on an AmTrak train or in a car on their way to Dallas, Texas.

If this is the incident from yesterday, the men lived in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and were on an AmTrak train heading towards the border. They were carrying duffle bags of cash, carboard cutters, unused tickets for TWA flights on Tuesday, and hair dye. No identification, but they have since determined they are from the same pilot school in Florida as the suicide bombers. There is allegedly a large terrorist cell in Arlington, near Dallas. As much as the Arab American community must be fearing reactionary violence all over the country, I especially feel for those facing the Bubba rednecks in Texas. MrBates, even in Texas we don't execute people on the spot. We show our might as a nation through an unyielding devotion to justice.

 

[MrBates]

CH...I'm trying to keep my anger in check.
Just remember: it wasn't American's crashing hijacked airliners into any skyscrapers full of innocent people.

I'm not gonna go around executing just *any* muslim.....
but when you find them leaving trails like those two did, I see no need to think twice. Same for any who try to sneak on an airplane impersonating a pilot.

It was THEIR choice to lay down that guantlet, proclaiming it's US your YOU. And as far as I'm concerned, with pictures of them dancing in the streets confirming that its NOT JUST AN ISOLATED EXTREMIST or two (read the quotes from the *other* leaders of that region of the world);

If they wanna declare war, than I say give it to 'em......With both barrels.

Make No Apologies, and Take No Prisoners

 

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[Gilly Bean]

CH...I'm trying to keep my anger in check.
Just remember: it wasn't American's crashing hijacked airliners into any skyscrapers full of innocent people.

I'm not gonna go around executing just *any* muslim.....
but when you find them leaving trails like those two did, I see no need to think twice. Same for any who try to sneak on an airplane impersonating a pilot.

It was THEIR choice to lay down that guantlet, proclaiming it's US your YOU. And as far as I'm concerned, with pictures of them dancing in the streets confirming that its NOT JUST AN ISOLATED EXTREMIST or two (read the quotes from the *other* leaders of that region of the world);

If they wanna declare war, than I say give it to 'em......With both barrels.

Make No Apologies, and Take No Prisoners

Until proven guilty, how do we know it WAS 'them'?

You can't just take the attitude that they are guilty, without the benifit of any more proof then the color of thier skin, or thier clothing, or thier heritage. MrBates, people like you are the ones who get 'them' mad at us in the first place.

I am sorry, but I have held my mouth way to long. This incident has caused people with your attitude, to needlessly attack those who are different then you. It's as if you were only waiting for an excuse to become the proper prediduced bigot that you can be.

I hope that makes you proud, because it makes most people sick.

 

[MrBates]

Re: Re: Arrest Info Here.

MrBates, even in Texas we don't execute people on the spot. We show our might as a nation through an unyielding devotion to justice.

Fool me once, it's my fault.....

Maybe it's time we start.

This isn't about being civilized.
THEY made THAT determination.

 

[Dillinger]

As we've seen a few times over the past few days - the more someone tried to defend a comment said in haste and anger the bigger a hole they dig themselves.

We do not know for a fact they are guilty of anything.

We do not shoot people on sight.

We bring them to justice.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

There are trials during war. It's during upheavels, usurpations and coupes that there are no trials.

Let's not play semantics here. If you're on a battlefield you shoot and kill. If you're taking a guy off a train, you suspect him, build evidence agasint him, question him, get info from him, try him, and, if convicted, punish him. You do not "shoot the fucker".

What's the matter with you?

 

[MrBates]

I never cease to be amazed at how some people harbor less ill will for terrorists who kill tens of thousands of innocent people than someone who drives an SUV or happens to make a little more money than they do.

I have not, nor will I, go out and start shooting.

THEY brought THEIR war to our soil.
THEY have shown that they are not willing to live in accordance with rules of common civilization.

Gilly, you don't know me. I'm a pretty peacable sort. I have good friends of many colors, including those of the muslim faith. You want to state that its "people like you are the ones who get 'them' mad at us in the first place". So, just what did I, or we, do to justify their barbaric acts of cowardice?

Think about it.
It's their rules now....and as far as they know, there are no rules.
I'm sure you would have been one of the people on one of those planes who would have sat idly in her seat and let two or three lightly armed terrorists crash one of those planes into a building.

Tolerance has its limits.

These people have but two goals in life: To inflict pain and suffering on us, THE GREAT SATAN; and to die doing their god's work.

Wake up.

 

[Gilly Bean]

I never cease to be amazed at how some people harbor less ill will for terrorists who kill tens of thousands of innocent people than someone who drives an SUV or happens to make a little more money than they do.

I have not, nor will I, go out and start shooting.

THEY brought THEIR war to our soil.
THEY have shown that they are not willing to live in accordance with rules of common civilization.

Gilly, you don't know me. I'm a pretty peacable sort. I have good friends of many colors, including those of the muslim faith. You want to state that its "people like you are the ones who get 'them' mad at us in the first place". So, just what did I, or we, do to justify their barbaric acts of cowardice?

Think about it.
It's their rules now....and as far as they know, there are no rules.
I'm sure you would have been one of the people on one of those planes who would have sat idly in her seat and let two or three lightly armed terrorists crash one of those planes into a building.

Tolerance has its limits.

These people have but two goals in life: To inflict pain and suffering on us, THE GREAT SATAN; and to die doing their god's work.

Wake up.

I am not happy with what happened. The terrorists, ONCE FOUND AND PROVEN GUILTY, I think should be forced to live in OUR prisons, getting the crap beat out of them by AMERICAN prisoners for the rest of thier misarble lives.

No, I don't know you, but everything you have said suggests you are nothing but a biggot who was waiting for an excuse to scowl, scream, and hurt people that you don't know.

I think it is sick that people are getting joy over this event, but just because they are happy it happened, doesn't mean they did it, or that they even knew that it was going to happen.

Are you going to sit there and tell me that because some 5 year olds dad doesn't like us, and that 5 year old is responsible for what happened here? Not bloody likely.

There is a fine line between wanting justice, and becoming no different then those we seek to punish. With the way you talk, and act, I would say you have crossed it.

 

[crystalhunting]

Human Rights and Justice in Islam
Islam provides many human rights for the individual. The following are some of these human rights that Islam protects.


The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred, whether a person is Muslim or not. Islam also protects honor. So, in Islam, insulting others or making fun of them is not allowed. The Prophet Muhammad said: {Truly your blood, your property, and your honor are inviolable.}1

Racism is not allowed in Islam, for the Quran speaks of human equality in the following terms:

O mankind, We have created you from a male and a female and have made you into nations and tribes for you to know one another. Truly, the noblest of you with God is the most pious.2 Truly, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Quran, 49:13)

Islam rejects certain individuals or nations being favored because of their wealth, power, or race. God created human beings as equals who are to be distinguished from each other only on the basis of their faith and piety. The Prophet Muhammad said: {O people! Your God is one and your forefather (Adam) is one. An Arab is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than a black person and a black person is not better than a red person,3 except in piety.}4

One of the major problems facing mankind today is racism. The developed world can send a man to the moon but cannot stop man from hating and fighting his fellow man. Ever since the days of the Prophet Muhammad , Islam has provided a vivid example of how racism can be ended. The annual pilgrimage (Hajj) to Makkah shows the real Islamic brotherhood of all races and nations, when about two million Muslims from all over the world come to Makkah to perform the pilgrimage.

Islam is a religion of justice. God has said:

Truly God commands you to give back trusts to those to whom they are due, and when you judge between people, to judge with justice.... (Quran, 4:58)

And He has said:

...And act justly. Truly, God loves those who are just. (Quran, 49:9)

We should even be just with those who we hate, as God has said:

...And let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety.... (Quran, 5:8)

The Prophet Muhammad said: {People, beware of injustice,5 for injustice shall be darkness on the Day of Judgment.}6

And those who have not gotten their rights (i.e. what they have a just claim to) in this life will receive them on the Day of Judgment, as the Prophet said: {On the Day of Judgment, rights will be given to those to whom they are due (and wrongs will be redressed)...}7

CH

 

[MrBates]

I am not happy with what happened. The terrorists, ONCE FOUND AND PROVEN GUILTY, I think should be forced to live in OUR prisons, getting the crap beat out of them by AMERICAN prisoners for the rest of thier misarble lives.

What should I expect? This country can't even agree whether a blow job is sex. How much MORE *proof* do you need? Plus, how is your advocating that they be beaten for the rest of their lives any better than my advocating punishing the guilty on the spot?

When Pearl Harbor was bombed, we brought an ENTIRE COUNTRY to its knees, and showed it how things were gonna be if they wanted to continue to exist. No trial. No *proof* required. If they wanna play by the rules which they've layed out, they know what to expect.

No, I don't know you, but everything you have said suggests you are nothing but a biggot who was waiting for an excuse to scowl, scream, and hurt people that you don't know.

Your comments show you are more of a bigot than I will ever be. Like I said. You don't know me. I am *NOT* a bigot. But I'm not STUPID either. When someone comes into MY HOME and starts barbaric actions such as theirs, I'm not gonna sit by and let them. THEY started this war, sweetie, and I'm more than happy to go to work and help finish it. But for now, you see me typing on here. I'm not in the streets. I'm giving our government the opportunity to take care of it.

I think it is sick that people are getting joy over this event, but just because they are happy it happened, doesn't mean they did it, or that they even knew that it was going to happen.

You don't know me. I get no joy out of this. Quit making prejudicial statements.

Are you going to sit there and tell me that because some 5 year olds dad doesn't like us, and that 5 year old is responsible for what happened here? Not bloody likely.

I'm gonna tell you this is what their 'religion' teaches. It's not the 5yr olds who did it, sweetheart.

There is a fine line between wanting justice, and becoming no different then those we seek to punish. With the way you talk, and act, I would say you have crossed it.

I haven't crossed anything......
Wake up.
What's it take to get your attention?

 

[teresafannin]

The men in question were arrested at the Amtrak station near downtown Fort Worth. They are being questioned as to their possible involvement in Tuesday's attacks. The men had flown from Newark, NJ & were on their way to San Antonio. The flight they were on made a scheduled stop in St Louis & was not able to continue to Texas. The men were arrested after a routine search of the train. The Fort Worth newspaper made no mention of plane tickets going to New York. There is also no information about the men being pilots & none of the local news reports made any mention about the men having conncections in Florida. The men claimed to be from India, but didn't have any kind of paperwork that supports US residency. One of the men may be wanted on an INS deportation warrant, but no reason was given for the warrant. This information comes from the Fort Worth Star Telegram.

 

[Dillinger]

As I said before - the more you try and defend your statements the worse you look. Read carefully what you said and other's responses... stop spouting unsupportable nonsense.

We are talking here about arrests made of suspects - no one was caught in the act of a crime. Additionally all we have are news reports which are not above suspicion themselves - what details we have are not confirmed.

What should I expect? This country can't even agree whether a blow job is sex. How much MORE *proof* do you need? Plus, how is your advocating that they be beaten for the rest of their lives any better than my advocating punishing the guilty on the spot?

Yes it is better then what you advocate. Because what others are saying is to have proof first. You are not suggesting punishing the GUILTY on the spot - you are advocating punishing the PRESUMED guilty on the spot. There is a BIG difference

When Pearl Harbor was bombed, we brought an ENTIRE COUNTRY to its knees, and showed it how things were gonna be if they wanted to continue to exist. No trial. No *proof* required. If they wanna play by the rules which they've layed out, they know what to expect.

DCL already responded to this one quite effectively. There is a big difference between being on the battlefield and arresting some suspects on a train.

Your comments show you are more of a bigot than I will ever be. Like I said. You don't know me. I am *NOT* a bigot. But I'm not STUPID either. When someone comes into MY HOME and starts barbaric actions such as theirs, I'm not gonna sit by and let them. THEY started this war, sweetie, and I'm more than happy to go to work and help finish it. But for now, you see me typing on here. I'm not in the streets. I'm giving our government the opportunity to take care of it.

You're right - whoever it is did start this war. But you DO NOT know that those arrested are among those.

Thank God you are not in the streets. I would have yet another reason to fear for mine and other's safety.

I'm gonna tell you this is what their 'religion' teaches. It's not the 5yr olds who did it, sweetheart.

Absolute IGNORANT BULLSHIT. Their religion preaches no such thing - any more then Christianity preaches that it is OK to bomb abortion clinics or the horrors of the Spanish inquisition.

edited for spelling only

 

[Gilly Bean]

Very nicely said, Dillinger.

When I said I thought it sick that people got joy over this, I was referring to the people who are celbrating the incidnet, not people who are advocating instant death penalty.

Your words, and actions speak louder then you think, because if you think of yourself as a peaceful non-bigot, then you really need to look at what you say. You are proposing that people who are caught, are automatically guilty.

Let me give you an example of what it sounds like to the rest of us.

Two people board a train. They hand off something incriminating to someone else. It gets passed around, and passed around, until someone who never even knew subject a, gets 'caught' with evidence that puts them in the direct line of fire. Because this person is holding something that looks suspicious, should we just open fire on him? The police who captured that person don't know if he is innocent, or how he got what he has, but now, it should be the american way to just shoot without asking.

Is this what you want to happen? We have no idea how those guys came about having what they have. I am not suggesting they are innocent. I am mearly suggesting that things are not always what they seem. For all we know, they could be an ordinary tom dick or harry. But, go ahead, shoot first, ask questions later. Macho way of dealing with things.

And when I suggested they get put into a prison full of Americans, I was suggesting we do it to those who are proven guilty, and not to shoot those who are not. If you are going to come up with some big bad come back, at least read the post and realize what I was saying before posting and sounding like even more of a bigot.

And you are right, I am a bigot. I am prejudiced against people who wish America were run like Hitler would have run it. I guess that means I am prejudiced against you.

Hail Hitler!

 

[lilfrk]

MrBates

Just let it be. It's not worth it now.

Breathe and think of the *chair*.

~Ally

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

It's their rules now....and as far as they know, there are no rules.

We do have rules. Let me read you the rules. They begin "We the people..." Want a copy?

Enough. If a suspect is found on U.S. soil they get questioned, not murdered. Your call to put aside the law in favor of some kind of John Wayne Martial Law is un-convincing, un-supportable and decidedly un-American.

 

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[MrBates]

Ok....I was going to let this lie, but you people don't get it.

This isn't about lawyers in fancy suits, folks.
This is war!

I don't know what it takes for you to realize that!

Trials? Proof?
How much *proof* did Paul Revere have to have before he made his ride?

So how many trials did George Washington conduct at Lexington in 1777?

How many trials were held after the British burned the White House in 1812?

How many trials did we have before we dropped the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

This is war, folks.
THEIR war....not mine.
THEY started it. Not me.
THEY brought it here.
THEY want US dead. That's me and you, people.

Hello?
Get the.....picture?

 

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