Army lists Christians as "terrorists," possibly due to influence of SPLC propaganda

[renard_ruse]

Army lists Christians as "terrorists," possibly due to influence of SPLC propaganda

Military Labels Evangelicals, Catholics as ‘Religious Extremists’-

The U.S. Army listed Evangelical Christianity and Catholicism as examples of religious extremism along with Al Qaeda and Hamas during a briefing with an Army Reserve unit based in Pennsylvania...

“We find this offensive to have Evangelical Christians and the Catholic Church to be listed among known terrorist groups,” said Ron Crews, executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty. “It is dishonorable for any U.S. military entity to allow this type of wrongheaded characterization.”

The incident occurred during an Army Reserve Equal Opportunity training brief on extremism. Topping the list is Evangelical Christianity. Other organizations listed included Catholicism, Al Qaeda, Hamas, the Ku Klux Klan, Sunni Muslims, and Nation of Islam.

The military also listed “Islamophobia” as a form of religious extremism...


http://townhall.com/columnists/todd...als-catholics-as-religious-extremism-n1559433

The above article leaves out perhaps the most disturbing part of the story, the possible role of the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center in the whole sordid affair (surprise, suprise).

 

[renard_ruse]

SPLC tentacles involved?

...First off, I thought, this can't possibly be true. Then I looked at it and it is and it does represent something that did happen at a briefing.

And guess what? The presenter of this briefing, to show you how pervasive all this is, the presenter at the briefing who prepared this slide to a bunch of people in the Army Reserve in Pennsylvania that equated mainstream Catholicism, evangelical Christianity, and Islamophobia with Al-Qaeda, the presenter of briefing said she got her information from the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is that real flake, this Mark Potok guy is from this leftist activist organization which is beyond description in its take on things. It's insanity. Everything is white majority racism in America filled with hatred.

Mark Potok, spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center, told Fox News that they didn't provide the military with any such list. He said it's 100% false, we didn't provide it. But the presenter in Pennsylvania of the briefing said she got the information from the Southern Poverty Law Center. So you can kind of put two and two together here to find out what happened. Some independent thinking Army Reserve person walks into a briefing with a preconceived notion that Catholics and mainstream Christians are just as nutcase wacko extremist terrorists as Al-Qaeda. She either believes it, she's been told it, so she goes someplace where she can find evidence of it. She says she found it Southern Poverty Law Center, and bammo, she creates a PowerPoint presentation and puts it out under the umbrella of the US Army...

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...vangelicals_as_extremists_like_al_qaeda_hamas

 

[KyleW]

The ACORN videos were faked.

 

[renard_ruse]

Why would the lady point to the SPLC if she didn't get her information there?

That seems pretty bizarre, doesn't it? Who would think to blame them and why, if it wasn't the source of the material? Doesn't make any sense.

 

[renard_ruse]

The ACORN videos were faked.

Too bad we can't pay your mom to post-natally abort you.

 

[KyleW]

Why would the lady point to the SPLC if she didn't get her information there?

That seems pretty bizarre, doesn't it? Who would think to blame them and why, if it wasn't the source of the material? Doesn't make any sense.

Douchebags do douchbaggery things.

Take you for example, exampleyou race bait all the time.

 

[renard_ruse]

Douchebags do douchbaggery things...

The SPLC, along with their ideological bro's in the ADL, do douchebaggy things every day.

Why do they hate democracy?

 

[neci]

they don't believe in dinosaurs. their entire perception of the world is altered. through the looking glass. that's shit's crazy, and it's everywhere.

 

[renard_ruse]

The SPLC should be banned from providing any "training" to law enforcement or government agencies. Its a private political organization with a political agenda.

It has NO BUSINESS providing enemy lists of "bad" Americans to the government at any level. The whole arrangement where it provides "training" and "information" to the government is outrageous and in my view unconstitutional. Same goes for the ADL.

These are private political pressure groups and their privileged position vis-a-vis law enforcement and the government is inexcusable and outlandish. This is just the latest example.

 

[renard_ruse]

I remember reading years ago that Morris Dees, the reprobate slimebag lawyer behind the founding of the SPLC, vowed he would "crush the right wing" in America. I remember asking myself, what exactly does that mean? How does he define "right wing"? Where will this stop? I wondered why so many mainstream conservatives and others were so willing to work with this clearly anti-democratic group. Did they really think he would stop at the KKK or neo-Nazi's (not that they shouldn't have rights in a free democracy as well, just like Communists or Democrats or Republicans or Libertarians or anybody else).

Groups like the SPLC and the ADL start at the fringes where nobody has the balls to say its wrong to persecute some unpopular group and then they move farther and farther toward the center and even the moderate left. Once you start down the road of a group deciding what other beliefs are acceptable or not in a democracy, you're on the slippery slope and it appears we're there now. Hopefully, this sort of thing will start to wake people up to what these groups are really all about.

 

[neci]

i don't know how about someone actually gets on the list, but if there is a list, the details and evidence documented in the list should be stated very clearly. someone shouldn't be put on a list just because.

continuing education credits

 

[RobDownSouth]

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Advertising works because humans accept info that's presented to them many times, such as radio and tv ads. Watch or listen to an ad for chocolate coated dog turds enough times, and youll buy a box.

 

[Boxlicker101]

In all honesty, some self-styled Evangelical Christians are terrorists. I am referring to those who bomb medical clinics where abortons are performed and those who murder doctors who perform abortions. These are strictly splinter groups, maybe even individuals, but they do exist.

I have never heard of Catholics in the USA being described as terrorists.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

In all honesty, some self-styled Evangelical Christians are terrorists. I am referring to those who bomb medical clinics where abortons are performed and those who murder doctors who perform abortions. These are strictly splinter groups, maybe even individuals, but they do exist.

I have never heard of Catholics in the USA being described as terrorists.

Patrick Cartwright published his autobiography back in the 1800s, and detailed how Christian sects murdered members of other sects thruout the Midwest. The Mormons certainly got treated roughly, but Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians fared no better.

 

[Busybody]

In all honesty, some self-styled Evangelical Christians are terrorists. I am referring to those who bomb medical clinics where abortons are performed and those who murder doctors who perform abortions. These are strictly splinter groups, maybe even individuals, but they do exist.

I have never heard of Catholics in the USA being described as terrorists.

a handful AT MOST fro a few decades

to equate em with a HANDFUL PER HALF DAY worldwide daily for MOOSEFUCKS is absurd

 

[Boxlicker101]

Patrick Cartwright published his autobiography back in the 1800s, and detailed how Christian sects murdered members of other sects thruout the Midwest. The Mormons certainly got treated roughly, but Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians fared no better.

If you go back far enough, Catholics and Protestants in Europe were amost as rotten toward each other as Sunni and Shiite are now. They micht have been worse, but the bombs and other weapons are more efficient now and hardly any Christians were willing to kill themselves in order to kill members of the opposing sect.

 

[mercury14]

The above article leaves out perhaps the most disturbing part of the story, the possible role of the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center in the whole sordid affair (surprise, suprise).

From your own article, dumbass:

“This slide was not produced by the Army and certainly does not reflect our policy or doctrine”

 

[KingOrfeo]

The above article leaves out perhaps the most disturbing part of the story, the possible role of the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center in the whole sordid affair (surprise, suprise).

Here's a list of the categories of groups the SPLC considers "hate groups." "Christian Identity" (the ones who believe nonwhites are soulless animals and Jews descended from Satan) and "Radical Traditional Catholicism" (the ones who can't forgive the Church for dropping antisemitism from its doctrines) are included. Otherwise, no "Christians," unless you count the groups listed under "Anti-Gay," or some of those lumped together under "General Hate."

 

[hogjack]

Christ was radical
Terrorists are radical

Do the math.

 

[KyleW]

Christ was radical
Terrorists are radical

Do the math.

2,943?

 

[Squibbs]

It's about time.

Like communists, Christians have a LONG and BLOODY history, where tens of millions have been killed and tortured to further their cause.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
In all honesty, some self-styled Evangelical Christians are terrorists. I am referring to those who bomb medical clinics where abortons are performed and those who murder doctors who perform abortions. These are strictly splinter groups, maybe even individuals, but they do exist.

I have never heard of Catholics in the USA being described as terrorists.

a handful AT MOST fro a few decades

to equate em with a HANDFUL PER HALF DAY worldwide daily for MOOSEFUCKS is absurd

As I said, there are a few so-called Christians who are terrorists. They do exist, but they are not even close to matching the numbers or the evil of Islamist groups such as Al Qaeda or the Taliban or some others.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I remember reading years ago that Morris Dees, the reprobate slimebag lawyer . . .

Who is a better man than you.

. . . behind the founding of the SPLC, vowed he would "crush the right wing" in America. I remember asking myself, what exactly does that mean? How does he define "right wing"?

In his case, probably by racism.

Where will this stop? I wondered why so many mainstream conservatives and others were so willing to work with this clearly anti-democratic group. Did they really think he would stop at the KKK or neo-Nazi's (not that they shouldn't have rights in a free democracy as well, just like Communists or Democrats or Republicans or Libertarians or anybody else).

Groups like the SPLC and the ADL start at the fringes where nobody has the balls to say its wrong to persecute some unpopular group . . .

Sometimes it is not wrong to persecute an unpopular group, e.g., Neo-Nazis; and in any case, the SPLC's and ADL's "persecution" is limited to keeping an eye on such and occasionally suing them. (And then the ACLU, another liberal group for which you doubtless feel boundless love, might defend them.) People have a perfect right to be Nazis, and other people have a perfect right to keep a close watch on Nazis, which is what the SPLC's "Hatewatch" (formerly "Klanwatch") program does.

. . . and then they move farther and farther toward the center and even the moderate left.

Again, here's what the SPLC considers "hate groups":

Anti-Gay
Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians has been a central theme of Christian Right organizing and fundraising for the past three decades – a period that parallels the fundamentalist movement's rise to political power.

Anti-Immigrant
Anti-immigrant hate groups are the most extreme of the hundreds of nativist and vigilante groups that have proliferated since the late 1990s, when anti-immigration xenophobia began to rise to levels not seen in the United States since the 1920s.

Anti-Muslim
Anti-Muslim hate groups are a relatively new phenomenon in the United States, most of them appearing in the aftermath of the World Trade Center terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Earlier anti-Muslim groups tended to be religious in orientation and disputed Islam’s status as a respectable religion.

Black Separatist
Black separatists typically oppose integration and racial intermarriage, and they want separate institutions -- or even a separate nation -- for blacks. Most forms of black separatism are strongly anti-white and anti-Semitic, and a number of religious versions assert that blacks are the Biblical "chosen people" of God.

Christian Identity
Christian Identity is a unique anti-Semitic and racist theology that rose to a position of commanding influence on the racist right in the 1980s. "Christian" in name only, the movement's relationship with evangelicals and fundamentalists has generally been hostile due to the latter’s belief that the return of Jews to Israel is essential to the fulfillment of end-time prophecy..Holocaust Denial
Deniers of the Holocaust, the systematic murder of around 6 million Jews in World War II, either deny that such a genocide took place or minimize its extent. These groups (and individuals) often cloak themselves in the sober language of serious scholarship, call themselves “historical revisionists” instead of deniers, and accuse their critics of trying to squelch open-minded inquiries into historical truth.

Ku Klux Klan
The Ku Klux Klan, with its long history of violence, is the most infamous — and oldest — of American hate groups. Although black Americans have typically been the Klan's primary target, it also has attacked Jews, immigrants, gays and lesbians and, until recently, Catholics.

Neo-Confederate
The term neo-Confederacy is used to describe twentieth and twenty-first century revivals of pro-Confederate sentiment in the United States. Strongly nativist, neo-Confederacy claims to pursue Christianity and heritage and other supposedly fundamental values that modern Americans are seen to have abandoned.

Neo-Nazi
Neo-Nazi groups share a hatred for Jews and a love for Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. While they also hate other minorities, gays and lesbians and even sometimes Christians, they perceive "the Jew" as their cardinal enemy.

Patriot Movement
The antigovernment “Patriot” movement has experienced a resurgence, growing quickly since 2008, when President Obama was elected to office. Factors fueling the antigovernment movement in recent years include changing demographics driven by immigration, the struggling economy and the election of the first African-American president.

Racist Music
Racist music groups are typically white power music labels that record, publish and distribute racist music in a variety of genres.

Racist Skinhead
Racist Skinheads form a particularly violent element of the white supremacist movement, and have often been referred to as the "shock troops" of the hoped-for revolution. The classic Skinhead look is a shaved head, black Doc Martens boots, jeans with suspenders and an array of typically racist tattoos.

Radical Traditional Catholicism
“Radical traditionalist” Catholics, who may make up the largest single group of serious anti-Semites in America, subscribe to an ideology that is rejected by the Vatican and some 70 million mainstream American Catholics.

Sovereign Citizens Movement
The strange subculture of the sovereign citizens movement, whose adherents hold truly bizarre, complex antigovernment beliefs, has been growing at a fast pace since the late 2000s. Sovereigns believe that they get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes.

White Nationalist
White nationalist groups espouse white supremacist or white separatist ideologies, often focusing on the alleged inferiority of nonwhites. Groups listed in a variety of other categories - Ku Klux Klan, neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi, racist skinhead, and Christian Identity - could also be fairly described as white nationalist.

Nothing "center" or "moderate left" there -- indeed, most of the far-right gets a pass. I wouldn't mind seeing climate-change deniers and the get-evolution-out-of-the-schools crowd classed as "hate groups," because they are so hateful, but the SPLC sets a much higher bar.

Note also that under some headings only the "most extreme" groups get listed. You won't find Pat Buchanan or the America First Party under "Anti-Immigrant," though they certainly are anti-immigrant.

Pray tell us which categories should be deleted.

 

[KyleW]

Why is that boxlicker moron so bad at quoting?

THERE IS A TUTORIAL