Are you an American or a Collectivist?

[coachdb18]

And science doesn't say it can't exist. No where does it say that.

Give me an example.of nothing. Absolute nothing and I will get started. You probably won't understand this but nothing doesn't exist there is always something at some level.

And that 'Something' = God......

 

[Liar]

And that 'Something' = God......

So God is stuff.

Why make up a new word for it? When there's already "stuff"?

 

[coachdb18]

So God is stuff.

Why make up a new word for it? When there's already "stuff"?

the 'Creator of stuff'

 

[Liar]

the 'Creator of stuff'

That's not what you said.

And why does stuff need a creator?

 

[tinylittlegnat]

the 'Creator of stuff'

You still haven't demonstrated that such a being exists. The first cause argument is a very poor argument which brings forth more questions than it answers.

 

[Byron In Exile]

You still haven't demonstrated that such a being exists. The first cause argument is a very poor argument which brings forth more questions than it answers.

In simple terms, yes.

That isn't a logical argument.

 

[Byron In Exile]

That's not what you said.

And why does stuff need a creator?

Because when people don't understand reality, they tend to make stuff up to explain it.

So... why is there stuff?

 

[tinylittlegnat]

Because when people don't understand reality, they tend to make stuff up to explain it.

So... why is there stuff?

The simple answer is I don't know. I am comfortable with that answer for the time being. But me not knowing the how or why does not instantly make the answer "invisible sky daddy did it". I am told Lawrence Krause has a good book explaining it but I haven't read it yet.

 

[Byron In Exile]

The simple answer is I don't know. I am comfortable with that answer for the time being. But me not knowing the how or why does not instantly make the answer "invisible sky daddy did it". I am told Lawrence Krause has a good book explaining it but I haven't read it yet.

There really is no doubt. Everyone knows this, but we pretend we don't.

It's not a problem that can be solved by analysis.

But equilibrium is boring, you see?

 

[mercury14]

By all the laws of Science, the rock cannot exist... it can't be created, it can't be destroyed, yet it exists in your hand.

By the laws of science, God cannot exist.

Anyway, like virtually all Americans I'm an American who is both an individualist and a collectivist at the same time.

 

[Led_Astray]

I have yet to see any convincing evidence to suggest the universe needs a creator.

And if such evidence *were* forthcoming (haha), who is to say that the creator was the Abrahamic god, and not the Hindu god or a bunch of pan-dimensional alien beings?

 

[mercury14]

I have yet to see any convincing evidence to suggest the universe needs a creator.

And if such evidence *were* forthcoming (haha), who is to say that the creator was the Abrahamic god, and not the Hindu god or a bunch of pan-dimensional alien beings?

If someone is a Christian who believes in creationism along with the rest of their church, does that make them a collectivist?

 

[tinylittlegnat]

If someone is a Christian who believes in creationism along with the rest of their church, does that make them a collectivist?

No just mindless sheep.

 

[renard_ruse]

I have yet to see any convincing evidence to suggest the universe needs a creator.

And if such evidence *were* forthcoming (haha), who is to say that the creator was the Abrahamic god, and not the Hindu god or a bunch of pan-dimensional alien beings?

And belief in traditional (pre-60's western) sexual morals don't need a God to be correct, either. So, if your anti-God beliefs are motivated by opposition to the concept of traditional right and wrong regarding sex you are a fool.

Support for (real, traditional conservative) sexual morality is no more dependent on the existence or non-existence of God than laws against post-natal murder or bank robbery are.

For example, traditional Communists were both atheists and sexual conservatives.

 

[renard_ruse]

And belief in traditional (pre-60's western) sexual morals don't need a God to be correct, either. So, if your anti-God beliefs are motivated by opposition to the concept of traditional right and wrong regarding sex you are a fool.

Support for (real, traditional conservative) sexual morality is no more dependent on the existence or non-existence of God than laws against post-natal murder or bank robbery are.

For example, traditional Communists were both atheists and sexual conservatives.

Ok, Marx and Lenin may have been a bit pervy but Stalin, Brezhnev, Mao, etc, were definitely sexual conservatives.

 

[KingOrfeo]

And belief in traditional (pre-60's western) sexual morals don't need a God to be correct, either.

So what do they need to be correct?

 

[KRCummings]

Know what always amuses me? When someone calls her Ann. It's usually someone who claims to have read her.