Are there Exceptions to 18 Years?

[rokoerber]

First: I’m German and use the German Forum as a Virgin
(ha-ha – well I’m born in September too).

It was not easy for me to find the Forum Guidelines – our Admin, finally, gave me the Link.

I fully understand it. Yes, but now I have a small Problem: the Age of 18 Years; here in Germany (and I only write in German Language) this Age may be sixteen (under certain Circumstances). After some chat in the German Forum, I decided to change the Age of my Protagonists (The first Volume has more then 400 Pages – It took me a Week).

It was however impossible to change the Age of the female Protagonist to eighteen – on beginning of the Story she misses 10 weeks to her eighteens Birthday. About two third of the first Part (of six) is concerned about the Problem, that the Boy and this Girl found out they love each other but they had to promise their Parents not to have any Kind of Sex, until Lis, the Girl, is eighteen. Well both are from so called “good Families” and the Story plays in the Seventies, in a Town where People are prudish. Lis and Paul go to High school (in German: Gymnasium), in the same Class. Lis is not so good, Paul (the Boy) is the best in Class. Lis asks him, if he will help her. After both Mothers agreed, both learned together. Lis became the best of the Girls. Until then, both are only classmates. No Sex, nothing, just friends.
Said ten weeks before her eighteens Birthday, there came a Opportunity: Lis kissed Paul and both confessed that they love each other. Nothing else happened. The Class finished shortly after this occurrence. Lis took Paul home. Paul confessed and both promised “to stay clean” until her Birthday. The upcoming time is hard for the both – they know what they would love to do, but could not. And they keep the Word they have given – and exactly here starts my biggest Problem: No – there is no petting. But there is kissing. It is not said what Kind of Kisses this are – only known fact is, Kisses only in the Area of the Head; this means Cheek an Mouth, nothing else. No touching of … whatever may cause sexual arousal.

There roused two Questions:
Is kissing (indeed more innocent!) a sexual event, in the meaning of the Guidelines? This would mean, a Father could not even kiss his young Daughter goodbye!

There is another Event: Paul is with (also younger) Friends in a Nudist Camp. No Sex at all, only Fun in the Vacations. Will that pass the Guidelines?

I would be happy to hear from you.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

First: I’m German and use the German Forum as a Virgin
(ha-ha – well I’m born in September too).

It was not easy for me to find the Forum Guidelines – our Admin, finally, gave me the Link.

I fully understand it. Yes, but now I have a small Problem: the Age of 18 Years; here in Germany (and I only write in German Language) this Age may be sixteen (under certain Circumstances). After some chat in the German Forum, I decided to change the Age of my Protagonists (The first Volume has more then 400 Pages – It took me a Week).

It was however impossible to change the Age of the female Protagonist to eighteen – on beginning of the Story she misses 10 weeks to her eighteens Birthday. About two third of the first Part (of six) is concerned about the Problem, that the Boy and this Girl found out they love each other but they had to promise their Parents not to have any Kind of Sex, until Lis, the Girl, is eighteen. Well both are from so called “good Families” and the Story plays in the Seventies, in a Town where People are prudish. Lis and Paul go to High school (in German: Gymnasium), in the same Class. Lis is not so good, Paul (the Boy) is the best in Class. Lis asks him, if he will help her. After both Mothers agreed, both learned together. Lis became the best of the Girls. Until then, both are only classmates. No Sex, nothing, just friends.
Said ten weeks before her eighteens Birthday, there came a Opportunity: Lis kissed Paul and both confessed that they love each other. Nothing else happened. The Class finished shortly after this occurrence. Lis took Paul home. Paul confessed and both promised “to stay clean” until her Birthday. The upcoming time is hard for the both – they know what they would love to do, but could not. And they keep the Word they have given – and exactly here starts my biggest Problem: No – there is no petting. But there is kissing. It is not said what Kind of Kisses this are – only known fact is, Kisses only in the Area of the Head; this means Cheek an Mouth, nothing else. No touching of … whatever may cause sexual arousal.

There roused two Questions:
Is kissing (indeed more innocent!) a sexual event, in the meaning of the Guidelines? This would mean, a Father could not even kiss his young Daughter goodbye!

There is another Event: Paul is with (also younger) Friends in a Nudist Camp. No Sex at all, only Fun in the Vacations. Will that pass the Guidelines?

I would be happy to hear from you.

the father kissing the daughter goodbye shouldn't be a prob - unless you're writing an incest piece!

i once only alluded to a girl's sexual conduct pre-18 in a story and it was rejected on that basis.

i find that avoiding any direct reference to age helps - that has the advantage of leaving things up to a reader's imagination, which is prolly much more vivid than anything i can cook up in print.

good luck.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

rokoerber,

Welcome to the AH. There's a fair number of Europeans, including Germans, infesting this place so I hope you feel at home.

As to your questions, Gernonimo is on target. Lit feels it needs to be extra alert to this issue due to political and legal conditions here in the US.

I've written an incest story that dealt with the after-effects of child molestation by an adult family member and mentioned, but did not describe, sex between the protags prior to their being 18. Before submitting it, I checked with Laurel. If you're still in doubt, I'd suggest you do the same. Send her a PM (not an e-mail) asking for advice. She's the final authority.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

My understanding is there can be no sex with or between anyone under the age of 18. That said, neither a girl kissing a boy under the apple tree, so to speak, I don't believe would constitute sex, nor would a father kissing his daughter good bye assuming that there is no underlying sexual intent or gratififcation.

If daddy kisses his daughter good bye as she's off to school while sporting a hugh boner, or an underage boyfriend fingering his girlfriend during the kiss, those would be a no-no.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

My understanding is there can be no sex with or between anyone under the age of 18. That said, neither a girl kissing a boy under the apple tree, so to speak, I don't believe would constitute sex, nor would a father kissing his daughter good bye assuming that there is no underlying sexual intent or gratififcation.

If daddy kisses his daughter good bye as she's off to school while sporting a hugh boner, that would be a no-no.

The daughter is sporting a huge boner. Holy trans-gender JJ Woman.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[Weird Harold]

Said ten weeks before her eighteens Birthday, there came a Opportunity: Lis kissed Paul and both confessed that they love each other. Nothing else happened. ... No – there is no petting. But there is kissing. It is not said what Kind of Kisses this are – only known fact is, Kisses only in the Area of the Head; this means Cheek an Mouth, nothing else. No touching of … whatever may cause sexual arousal.

There roused two Questions:
Is kissing (indeed more innocent!) a sexual event, in the meaning of the Guidelines? This would mean, a Father could not even kiss his young Daughter goodbye!

There is another Event: Paul is with (also younger) Friends in a Nudist Camp. No Sex at all, only Fun in the Vacations. Will that pass the Guidelines?

You should be OK with the first situation, but It depends on how you describe their feelings. After all, the "must wait for her birthday" scenario is what Lit's age limit is all about.

The nudist camp scene is more likely to be a problem. I'd put a comment/explanation in the comments field of the submission form pointing out that there is nudity but no sexual situations or erotic descriptions.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

The daughter is sporting a huge boner. Holy trans-gender JJ Woman.

Rumple Foreskin

Yeah. It takes all kinds to make a world, Rumpy

 

[rokoerber]

Thanks to all of you - Reply

Hi, geronimo appleby,
tx for your reply – but as told, there is no ability to make Lis older – it is the main essence, that young persons are able to do the right thing !!! And NO it is not the story about incest – it is the story about a good old fashioned family.

Hi, Rumble Foreskin,
Until now, I feel good. Tx for your Tip to contact Laurel. Coming up with this tomorrow.

And Hello, Jenny Jackson,
Many thanks for you too. Well nobody has that "big boner” – not with Lis under aged. But later, there are lots of them. AFTER everybody involved, is beyond eighteen !!! This is a clean family story – well – LATER with much very, Very, VERY sexy parts (all persons far over eighteen!)

Rumble Foreskin,
I have to look for the Discussion between you and Jenny Jackson. I don’t understand your objection. Sorry …

Not at least, Weird Harold,
OK with your objection about the Nudist Camp – this was a Question. In my book there will be no Under aged now in this Camp.

I thank all of you. You have been very helpful – more helpful as most Members in the German Forum.

I hope to hear more of you