Are there books as erotic as my writing?

[sweetnessuk]

The erotic that is on this site, especially mine, are there such books as graphic and full on as our writing? Would I ever be able to get such work published or is it just too full on?

Thanks

 

[sr71plt]

Yes, certainly. Amazon is littered with them. But I think you probably mean mainstream books. And, no, not very many, I don't think.

That's what shoved me into erotica and probably others. I've been writing mainstream novels for years and got frustrated at coming up to the brink in a scene and then having to close the curtains. The erotica I write isn't much different from the mainstream I write--I just don't close the curtains--I carry through with the scene.

 

[lovecraftsworld]

Explains why shades is selling so well, it's pretty watered down in the erotica dept which has kept it in the mainstream. If the author could write actual BDSM scenes it would not be as popular.

 

[sr71plt]

Explains why shades is selling so well, it's pretty watered down in the erotica dept which has kept it in the mainstream. If the author could write actual BDSM scenes it would not be as popular.

I would think that at least you could keep your alts from being obsessed by "Shades" as much as "Master" is.

 

[lance gt]

I would think that at least you could keep your alts from being obsessed by "Shades" as much as "Master" is.

For someone who doesn't even know what erotic writing is, you would be the last one tomake a comment here. Stick to the boring shit you flog and don't say mainstream won't accept it. The truth is, they don't accept your interpretation of erotica.

The barriers of what used to be acceptable are being challenged by readers who demand more from their stories. When the tide shifts enough, most writers here will have a market.

 

[TxRad]

For someone who doesn't even know what erotic writing is, you would be the last one tomake a comment here. Stick to the boring shit you flog and don't say mainstream won't accept it. The truth is, they don't accept your interpretation of erotica.

The barriers of what used to be acceptable are being challenged by readers who demand more from their stories. When the tide shifts enough, most writers here will have a market.

Knock off the bullshit. You are giving the AH a bad name with this shit. What he told the OP is correct. No matter if don't like him, what he said is still correct.

And yes they do except his interpretation of erotica in main stream writing. Don't let the numbers here on Lit fool you.

 

[lovecraftsworld]

I would think that at least you could keep your alts from being obsessed by "Shades" as much as "Master" is.

Sorry honey, baby needs a 100 posts for an avatar.

Now please don't stalk me as you do my Master.

 

[lovecraftsworld]

This is sort of generic. For the most part "hardcore" erotic stories don't cut it. Then again you can have "crossovers" such as Story of O that do pretty well.

I think that the time could be coming for something harder edged to crack some mainstream sales.

Women are into porn almost as much as men these days and can certainly handle harder core than shades and it's "Down there" high school vernacular.

Mainstream "professional" publishers won't touch it, but Shades was indy published so no on really knows for sure.

Give it a shot.

 

[lance gt]

Knock off the bullshit. You are giving the AH a bad name with this shit. What he told the OP is correct. No matter if don't like him, what he said is still correct.

And yes they do except his interpretation of erotica in main stream writing. Don't let the numbers here on Lit fool you.

I'm giving the AH a bad name? Really? Pilot is a stellar excample of what this place is supposed to be like? Honestly? I've contributed more to AH and any other forum I post in, than you and Him put together, so where does your comment hold any weight, or value. Just stick to humping Scummies ass like everyone else, but don't go making waves on my boat. I'm the last person who is degrading this forum with bullshit, I just respond to it and call it out when I see it. Still want to defend a guy who openly slams newbies, by calling them alts?

I look at what the reader polls have said and publishers are looking more and more at erotica as a source of mainstream books, so my comment has more value than pilot's in that regard. What was, was. So I'll counter him on those points,to his. 50 shades may suck, but it's a gateway product that's opened the doors, no question there, so it's coming around to an acceptance of our writing as a mainstream product.

 

[TxRad]

I'm giving the AH a bad name? Really? Pilot is a stellar excample of what this place is supposed to be like? Honestly? I've contributed more to AH and any other forum I post in, than you and Him put together, so where does your comment hold any weight, or value. Just stick to humping Scummies ass like everyone else, but don't go making waves on my boat. I'm the last person who is degrading this forum with bullshit, I just respond to it and call it out when I see it. Still want to defend a guy who openly slams newbies, by calling them alts?

I look at what the reader polls have said and publishers are looking more and more at erotica as a source of mainstream books, so my comment has more value than pilot's in that regard. What was, was. So I'll counter him on those points,to his. 50 shades may suck, but it's a gateway product that's opened the doors, no question there, so it's coming around to an acceptance of our writing as a mainstream product.

Then why don't you send a story to a mainstream publisher and see how far you get. They red pencil my shit all the time. I push it as far as i can every time i send something to my editor and guess what? Less than 2% of it passes. It's still fade to black at most of the big houses and small ones also.

If the editor doesn't cut it back far enough the legal department will. Protect thy ass is still king.

 

[sr71plt]

Still want to defend a guy who openly slams newbies, by calling them alts?

OK, I'll bite (apparently we are going to have a 2fer day on false statements ). Cite examples of me calling newbies alts, please.

Of course I know you're already really busy digging around to back up your statement about Scouries claiming "numerous times" to have prevented Lovecraft's win in a contest. (Which was a stupid statement on the face of it, seeing as how what Scouries has been doing has been taunting Lovecraft for cheating that contest. He'd hardly be doing both at the same time, sport).

Lance denigrating my writing on the forum isn't exactly a new activity for him.

 

[lance gt]

I would think that at least you could keep your alts from being obsessed by "Shades" as much as "Master" is.

This would be you accusing the OP of being an alt of LC's. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but only two people posted before you.

 

[lovecraft68]

Then why don't you send a story to a mainstream publisher and see how far you get. They red pencil my shit all the time. I push it as far as i can every time i send something to my editor and guess what? Less than 2% of it passes. It's still fade to black at most of the big houses and small ones also.

If the editor doesn't cut it back far enough the legal department will. Protect thy ass is still king.

I have to disagree a little here TX. Well in away as I'm sure what you're saying is true.

However, if the "big houses" don't start getting more lenient and less pompous they ill be empty houses.

according to most reports 50 shades is so poorly written it most likely would have gotten the boot from big houses, but it's doing more than fine for itself.

The indy market is making the old ways of a few people deciding what the public wants to read obsolete.

There are options other than them now and they need to start bending and soon.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

This would be you accusing the OP of being an alt of LC's. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but only two people posted before you.

He was directing that towards lovecraftsworld, who is indeed, an alt of LC

 

[lovecraft68]

This would be you accusing the OP of being an alt of LC's. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but only two people posted before you.

I think you're off this time Lance. I believe he was referring to LC's world which is no secret is me.

 

[sr71plt]

Hey what? Really gone around the bend, haven't you? Lovecraftworld IS an acknowledged alt of Lovecraft68, who is hardly a newbie.

Your unbridled hatred has really spun you into crazyland, hasn't it? Have completely lost touch with reality, haven't you?

And there was only one poster who posted in front of my first post, hotshot--the OP. My second post quoted and was directed to the post of the acknowledged Lovecraftworld alt of Lovecraft68, specifically created to mimic Scouries.

Earth to Lance.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Back to the OP's question:

The big publishers will not touch erotica that features graphic and explicit sex.

But there are plenty of e-publishers that will touch it-- fondle it and lick it all over in fact-- and will sell it to the masses.

Most of them have genres that they specialise in-- gay, lesbian, hetero, Romantic, supernatural- so where you would submit depends on what you write about.

And there are plenty fly-by-nights and hucksters in the e-publishing world, so you need to do some homework.

 

[lovecraft68]

Smashwords will publish anything. Especially after rubbing paypal's nose in shit after their censorship attempt.

I think they now feature over 32000 authors so one way or another there is a platform for your work.

 

[PennLady]

Mainstream "professional" publishers won't touch it, but Shades was indy published so no on really knows for sure.

You're wrong -- 50 Shades is published by Random House. That's pretty mainstream.

 

[sr71plt]

Back to the OP's question:

And to the same response (although more detailed) I gave the OP.

(which, of course, isn't a comment for you, Stella, or the OP, but for Lance, who doesn't seem to be having a very good day.)

 

[sr71plt]

You're wrong -- 50 Shades is published by Random House. That's pretty mainstream.

Haven't read it and don't intend to, but, back to the thrust of the OP's question, is the sex in "50 Shades" equal to the "graphic/full" erotica the OP suggests is written at Lit.? (Question to those who've read it. As far as I remember, you haven't read it either.)

 

[TxRad]

You're wrong -- 50 Shades is published by Random House. That's pretty mainstream.

Yeah, pretty mainstream.

E-books are one thing but the hoops you have to jump through just to get noticed by mainstream is mind boggling. Even when you get your foot in the door it can still be hell if you don't have the right people on your side.

As far as mainstream publishers having to change or die. They will have to change the way they get the material out there. it is already happening. But as far as what they have to except and put out there for sale, they will retain control their way for as long as the laws are the way they are and the churches have such a big say through politics.

 

[sr71plt]

Yes, it's already happening. I don't know of any mainstream publishers, trade or academic, that don't have an e-publishing arm, even if they don't want to talk about it (the same as none really wanted to admit that they were using POD for their "way" backlists either).

 

[PennLady]

Haven't read it and don't intend to, but, back to the thrust of the OP's question, is the sex in "50 Shades" equal to the "graphic/full" erotica the OP suggests is written at Lit.? (Question to those who've read it. As far as I remember, you haven't read it either.)

Yes, this is true, and no, I haven't read it. I don't have a lot of romance paperbacks, so I can't say how explicit things get and who publishes them. I'm sure the more explicit stuff on my Kindle is small publishers or self-published but that doesn't mean other more mainstream publishers don't have explicit stuff out there. I'd be curious to know too.

 

[lovecraft68]

Haven't read it and don't intend to, but, back to the thrust of the OP's question, is the sex in "50 Shades" equal to the "graphic/full" erotica the OP suggests is written at Lit.? (Question to those who've read it. As far as I remember, you haven't read it either.)

My sister got through close to half of the first book. she said it was pretty vanilla and the "down there" which is what the woman refers to as her pussy and using the word Penis turned her off not on.