Are the Peaceniks getting too uppity?

[P. B. Walker]

Columbia Professor calls for the Deaths of American Troops

This sounds like something directly from CBM's spewings.

An academic furor was brewing Friday over a Columbia University professor who told thousands of students and faculty that he would like to see the United States defeated in Iraq and suffer "a million Mogadishus" -- referring to the 1993 ambush in Somalia that killed 18 Americans.

Is this too far? Do you still consider this free speech? Or does it begin to border on traitorous? What should Columbia University do to this guy, if anything?

How do you all feel about being called white supremacists just because you are supporting our troops?

The scary issue for me is that this person teaches our nations young minds. I can't even begin to imagine what he's instilled in some of our students.

 

[*Eve*]

That professor is obviously a sick bastard.

 

[caligula]

More useless liberal scum!

 

[sufisaint]

Transfer him to the University of Bagdad...today!

 

[Astro]

America is the 'home' of free speech, he was using that right. It should be pointed out to him that he wouldnt have the same rights in Iraq.

 

[teddybear4play]

I don't think he should be arrested, but I have a hard time imagining him keeping his job.

TB4p

 

[Problem Child]

Seems like some anti-war folks think violence is ok as long as the "right" people get killed.

 

[Cherry]

Astro,

Have you seen the "free speech" being spewed out on the Irish Times BB lately?

http://scripts.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/regularvote.cfm

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

 

[P. B. Walker]

I don't think he should be arrested, but I have a hard time imagining him keeping his job.

TB4p

Well a similar incident occured earlier this year with a Professor from Xavier who unloaded on a Air Force Cadet via email. He ended up losing all his classes and was put on an "extended" sabbatical. Which I guess means he'll always have a position at the university, but he'll never again teach another student, nor get any grants. I guess that means it was career suicide, but at least he still has a job.

It'll be interesting to see what Columbia does, if anything at all, about this guy.

 

[Astro]

Well the Irish Times isnt exactly a high class paper. Remember that these are the people that want money from the USA but held massive protests at Dublin airport about American planes refuleing their.

 

[P. B. Walker]

Seems like some anti-war folks think violence is ok as long as the "right" people get killed.

I have to wonder... is there a limit to free speech? I mean, obviously it's against the law to scream 'fire' in a crowded movie theater, but is there any limit to what you can say?

 

[Tranquility]

Here's a thought of freedom for ole boy don't like get your shit and get the fuck outa here...oh WAIT nevermind we will forward his mail to Bagdad U. IMHO thats taking the freedom of speech one or 1,000 steps to far guess he will be on the unemployed line soon.

 

[P. B. Walker]

Ernie has some thoughts about Nicholas Paul De Genova



Plus some contact information in case anyone here feels like sending their thoughts to Professor Genova.

 

[Lancecastor]

I have to wonder... is there a limit to free speech? I mean, obviously it's against the law to scream 'fire' in a crowded movie theater, but is there any limit to what you can say?

You guys allow the KKK and NeoNazi Party to exist...execute people in Texas and god knows how many other states...you can buy semi automatics at WalMart and 6 paks at gas stations...but you can't take your grrlfriend legally up the pooop chute or say you hope the US army gets its ass kicked in Iraq? Crazy.

In Canada we ban KKK type shit and laugh at our government institutions...pot's legal now, so expect even more giggles from up north.

You ahmerkins are too stressed, man.

 

[Problem Child]

I have to wonder... is there a limit to free speech? I mean, obviously it's against the law to scream 'fire' in a crowded movie theater, but is there any limit to what you can say?

That' s a legal question, I suppose- one which is better answered by the ambulance-chasing, scum-sucking lawyers here.

I just get really tired of the extremists on both sides.

Assholes in the so-called "peace" movement like redwave who keep spewing crap like this professor is saying...that they hope Americans die by the thousands and that soldiers should shoot their officers.

Then there's the other side, which I constantly hear in person and on local talk radio here in the south, that peace protesters should be thrown in jail and have their asses kicked. One hillbilly called in to the local talk show and said that people who take their kids to war protests should have their children taken away from them by Child Protective Services.

Both sides have fucktards and unfortunately many times they're the most vocal.

 

[naudiz]

Once more, PC leaves me yearning to have his love child.

Another one that gets me is how some idiot official here in Oregon wants to make it so war protesting is considered an act of terrorism when it blocks traffic etc.

What's wrong with persecuting a lawbreaker for the crime being committed? I guess it's just not fun anymore if there isn't a bunch of propoganda slapped onto it.

 

[SilvaTungDevil]

Both sides have fucktards and unfortunately many times they're the most vocal.

Hear hear.

 

[Problem Child]

Once more, PC leaves me yearning to have his love child.

Wow, I'm all turgid now.

 

[Hamletmaschine]

. . . The scary issue for me is that this person teaches our nations young minds. I can't even begin to imagine what he's instilled in some of our students.

No, the scary thing is that anyone seriously believes students listen to their professors.

Gimme a fucking break.

At the school I attended, there was a prof whose courses were all widely-known as extended rants denying the Holocaust. People would go and sit in just to hear the outrageous stuff he'd come up with. Smoke a doobie, kick back, and listen to all that crazy shit...that's what college is about.

 

[P. B. Walker]

Re: Re: Are the Peaceniks getting too uppity?

No, the scary thing is that anyone seriously believes students listen to their professors.

Gimme a fucking break.

At the school I attended, there was a prof whose courses were all widely-known as extended rants denying the Holocaust. People would go and sit in just to hear the outrageous stuff he'd come up with. Smoke a doobie, kick back, and listen to all that crazy shit...that's what college is about.

Hrmmm... I agree there are some students like that and there are others that are highly impressionable and couldn't form an original thought if they needed it. If the students were as you said, then they wouldn't have been cheering him like they were in this instance.

Personally, I've always felt our teachers should be giving us untainted tutelage, no matter the subject.

 

[Pagliacci]

Damn it.

Here I was hoping that Peaceniks had taken up arms to violently combat those they felt had the wrong view when it came to war.

Oh well one can only hope.

 

[Hamletmaschine]

Re: Re: Re: Are the Peaceniks getting too uppity?

Hrmmm... I agree there are some students like that and there are others that are highly impressionable and couldn't form an original thought if they needed it. If the students were as you said, then they wouldn't have been cheering him like they were in this instance.

Personally, I've always felt our teachers should be giving us untainted tutelage, no matter the subject.

I was joking, of course.

Most of the students I know are pretty bright, and my point was that I've found it very difficult to try to put a lot of bullshit over on them. Unless they do something stupid, like major in business, they're exposed to a variety of different subjects and a variety of different teachers--each with varying degrees of expertise and varying teaching styles.

The word "education" comes from the Latin e + ducere, which means "to be led out"--thus, to be educated means to be led out, from wherever you happen to be at any point in time, to someplace else. What is the danger in being led out, in the context of a liberal education, to someplace that you think is outrageous? That they might not come back? Well, it seems to me that's their choice, not yours.

And, for the life of me, I cannot comprehend why anyone would want to pay for "untainted tutelage"--whatever that might be. If a person has spent most of his or her adult life studying a subject, developing knowledge and expertise in it, gaining an international reputation as an authority on a subject, why in the world would you want to dumb them down to the level of a FOX "NEWS" reader?

 

[zipman]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Are the Peaceniks getting too uppity?

I was joking, of course.

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The word "education" comes from the Latin e + ducere, which means "to be led out"--thus, to be educated means to be led out, from wherever you happen to be at any point in time, to someplace else. What is the danger in being led out, in the context of a liberal education, to someplace that you think is outrageous? That they might not come back? Well, it seems to me that's their choice, not yours.

And, for the life of me, I cannot comprehend why anyone would want to pay for "untainted tutelage"--whatever that might be. If a person has spent most of his or her adult life studying a subject, developing knowledge and expertise in it, gaining an international reputation as an authority on a subject, why in the world would you want to dumb them down to the level of a FOX "NEWS" reader?

The problem is that this teacher wasn't leading them out anywhere. Nicholas De Genova is a professor of anthropology and Latin American studies! He wasn't teaching them anything from an academic perspective unless it was how to say "I hope the soldiers die" in Spanish. He was using his position at the institution to further his own political agenda.

This type of behavior was seen across this country following 9/11 as well. Professors use their classrooms and positions to further their own viewpoits.

Personally, I definitely think that many students are influenced by their professors.

 

[Alyx]

While I don’t agree with the professor or his statements, he did have a right to say them. Should he be charged with treason? No. You CAN scream “FIRE!” in a crowded movie theater. But in doing so, you WILL be responsible for the results of your actions. That’s what free speech is all about folks. Say what you will but be prepared for the results that come about from your statements. In the professor’s case, he may lose his job, and not find another within his profession.

As for the KKK and other such organizations, they have a right to their point of view, disgusting as I may find it. They have a right to say what they will. However, if someone within that organization commits a crime based upon their view, they’re prosecuted for it, just as anyone else would be.

Free speech means having to listen to someone scream at the top of their lungs, advocating something you’ve spent your whole life opposing. Welcome to free speech, baby!

~Alyx~

 

[Spinaroonie]

The headline isn't wrong. He didn't call for the deaths of troops.

Other than that TB4P is right. Not arrestable. Not traitorous. Job security in danger.