Are San Franciscans coming to their senses?

[BabyBoomer50s]

San Francisco Poised to Start Drug-Testing Welfare Recipients

“SAN FRANCISCO—Voters in this famously progressive city appear poised to pass a pair of law-and-order ballot measures Tuesday that would represent a turn to the political center amid mounting frustration with public drug use, homelessness and property crime.

“Proposition F would mandate drug screening for recipients of public benefits, while Proposition E would expand police surveillance tools and reduce oversight of the force.

“A recent poll conducted by San Francisco’s Chamber of Commerce found 61% of likely voters support the two ballot measures and 72% believe San Francisco is on the wrong track. The business group supports Proposition E and hasn’t taken a position on F.”

 

[schism666]

San Francisco Poised to Start Drug-Testing Welfare Recipients

“SAN FRANCISCO—Voters in this famously progressive city appear poised to pass a pair of law-and-order ballot measures Tuesday that would represent a turn to the political center amid mounting frustration with public drug use, homelessness and property crime.

“Proposition F would mandate drug screening for recipients of public benefits, while Proposition E would expand police surveillance tools and reduce oversight of the force.

“A recent poll conducted by San Francisco’s Chamber of Commerce found 61% of likely voters support the two ballot measures and 72% believe San Francisco is on the wrong track. The business group supports Proposition E and hasn’t taken a position on F.”

one day, you will get over california breaking up with you and you will heal.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

one day, you will get over california breaking up with you and you will heal.

lol. I still pay alimony in the form of property taxes. Thanks to Prop 13, my annual bill is reasonable. (But that could start to change in November when voters weigh in on the most consequential taxation ballot measures in over 45 years.)

 

[schism666]

lol. I still pay alimony in the form of property taxes. Thanks to Prop 13, my annual bill is reasonable. (But that could start to change in November when voters weigh in on the most consequential taxation ballot measures in over 45 years.)

 

[Bn2f]

San Francisco Poised to Start Drug-Testing Welfare Recipients

“SAN FRANCISCO—Voters in this famously progressive city appear poised to pass a pair of law-and-order ballot measures Tuesday that would represent a turn to the political center amid mounting frustration with public drug use, homelessness and property crime.

“Proposition F would mandate drug screening for recipients of public benefits, while Proposition E would expand police surveillance tools and reduce oversight of the force.

“A recent poll conducted by San Francisco’s Chamber of Commerce found 61% of likely voters support the two ballot measures and 72% believe San Francisco is on the wrong track. The business group supports Proposition E and hasn’t taken a position on F.”

Should politicians, recipients of publicly funded salaries, be subject to drug testing?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Should politicians, recipients of publicly funded salaries, be subject to drug testing?

It might make sense for certain occupations where public safety could be at risk, but generally I don’t think it’s necessary. In SF where a significant percentage of the population is chronically unemployed, living on the streets, addicted and openly using drugs, and making the place dangerous and filthy, drug testing recipients of subsidized housing and other government benefits is not a bad idea at all.

 

[schism666]

is not a bad idea at all.

yes it is. this is the kind of gestapo shit that just happened with roe v. wade.

republicans, the party of the yugest government evah!

 

[Bn2f]

It might make sense for certain occupations where public safety could be at risk, but generally I don’t think it’s necessary. In SF where a significant percentage of the population is chronically unemployed, living on the streets, addicted and openly using drugs, and making the place dangerous and filthy, drug testing recipients of subsidized housing and other government benefits is not a bad idea at all.

Our lawmakers, at the very least, should be held accountable to the laws they pass. You disagree?

 

[ll74]

Who is "the business group" and what is the source of the quote in the OP?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

yes it is. this is the kind of gestapo shit that just happened with roe v. wade.

republicans, the party of the yugest government evah!

I get that you’re upset with voters and elected representatives rather than unelected judges deciding the abortion question but this thread is not about that. It’s about choices San Francisco voters will make about drug screening and law enforcement surveillance practices.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Our lawmakers, at the very least, should be held accountable to the laws they pass. You disagree?

I agree. We hold them accountable at the ballot box.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Who is "the business group" and what is the source of the quote in the OP?

Sorry. Forgot to provide the link. It’s from the Wall Street Journal. Per the story, the poll was conducted by the SF Chamber of Commerce.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy...44zr67d2k4fv25l&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[schism666]

I get that you’re upset with voters and elected representatives rather than unelected judges deciding the abortion question but this thread is not about that. It’s about choices San Francisco voters will make about drug screening and law enforcement surveillance practices.

voters decided what exactly when it came to roe v. wade?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

voters decided what exactly when it came to roe v. wade?

Sounds like you have not been keeping up with state elections and abortion related actions in state legislatures since the Dobbs decision came down.

 

[schism666]

since the Dobbs

lol.

how is what's happened since the dobbs decision have to do with my question about what the voters voted on regarding roe v. wade?

deny
defend
deflect

 

[MajorRewrite]

Housing First Can Work—If Done Right

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

lol.

how is what's happened since the dobbs decision have to do with my question about what the voters voted on regarding roe v. wade?

deny
defend
deflect

Don’t be lazy. Try Google. You’ll find lots of states where abortion laws have been enacted post-Dobbs. In some cases more protective of abortion rights, others more restrictive.

 

[schism666]

In SF where a significant percentage of the population is chronically unemployed,

don't ever think on your own again. it's not good for you. it's not good for anyone.

San Francisco, CA Unemployment Rate is at 3.50%, compared to 3.50% last month and 2.20% last year. This is lower than the long term average of 5.13%.

3.5 is less than the national average of 3.7

 

[schism666]

Don’t be lazy. Try Google. You’ll find lots of states where abortion laws have been enacted post-Dobbs. In some cases more protective of abortion rights, others more restrictive.

the question wasn't about what's happened post-dobbs, was it?

you have to be a hisderpy alt.

have to be.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

don't ever think on your own again. it's not good for you. it's not good for anyone.



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3.5 is less than the national average of 3.7

San Francisco has an estimated homeless population of about 7,700. They live on the streets, where open drug use, panhandling, pooping and pissing, and other forms of dangerous behavior are part of daily life downtown. It may seem small as a percentage of the total population but it’s VERY significant to folks who live there. That’s why so many residents appear ready to vote for change.

 

[schism666]

San Francisco has an estimated homeless population of about 7,700. They live on the streets, where open drug use, panhandling, pooping and pissing, and other forms of dangerous behavior are part of daily life downtown. It may seem small as a percentage of the total population but it’s VERY significant to folks who live there. That’s why so many residents appear ready to vote for change.

i agree. you lied.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

the question wasn't about what's happened post-dobbs, was it?

you have to be a hisderpy alt.

have to be.

Roe was not decided by voters. It was decided by 9 appointed judges. More recently 9 appointed judges determined that under the Constitution, abortion policy belongs in the hands of voters and their elected representatives. Since Dobbs, voters and their elected representatives have been making decisions about the issue. You seem unhappy about that.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

i agree. you lied.

You agree with me. Cool.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Since Dobbs, voters and their elected representatives have been making decisions about the issue.

Republicans have repeatedly tried to keep abortion protection off of state ballots, because they lose whenever the public is allowed to vote on the issue.

 

[schism666]

You agree with me. Cool.

you don't have the chops for this forum.

you just got busted hard and too weak to admit that you blatantly lied to make your dumb ass point.