Are Literotica Stories Allowed to Contain Death? (Not Snuff)

[Romantiques]

I already realize that snuff is against the rules of Literotica, however, I want to submit a story that contains a lot of death that is unrelated to the erotic side of the story (so it's not actually not snuff, even though it contains death...it's more of an erotic horror).

The basic storyline is this: When the devil becomes incarnate and announces that he is searching for a bride, because having a loyal bride will increase his power, many young witches die in the pursuit of getting the one who cannot love - the devil - to love them and crown them queen of hell (and give them unfathomable powers). But their spells and attempts backfire and he kills them, unimpressed with them. Nothing erotic happens, he just kills them. Then one mortal woman succeeds, and that's where the erotic story grows, and of course, he doesn't kill her.

I am worried that it will get rejected because I submitted a story that was similar before (similar in that it was not snuff but contained death): that story was essentially about a woman whose family is slaughtered by home invaders and gets taken hostage by one of them, she was treated roughly but wasn't killed. So that wasn't snuff either, but it got rejected on the basis of being snuff.

(If you think this will also be rejected for snuff, ideas of ways that I can tweak my story to not contain death are also appreciated. I like my horror and gore elements, but if I can find a creative way to do without them, then that's fine also.)

 

[PennLady]

Since only one person reads and clears the stories, sometimes things fall through the cracks. Some things are approved that shouldn't be, and some that should be approved aren't.

Generally speaking, sure, you can have people die in a story. There are plenty of stories on here that involve people dying, and not in a snuff way. I don't run the site, but I don't see any problem with what you've described. You could submit the story, and in the notes field, inform Laurel that the story contains death(s) but none of them are played for sexual arousal. That should help.

 

[TxRad]

Yeah, you can kill people off. I killed the whole cast in one of my stories. Not the best scoring story I have.

Actually, it was the prologue to a novel I was writing. My laptop was stolen and it was the only thing I had left on a backup drive. I've tried recreating what I had but it is slow going and never sounds as good as the original.

 

[HeyAll]

Here's the definitive statement on this:

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=926617

Things that are never okay: graphic and explicit castration, mutilation, and murder for the purposes of sexual titillation.

 

[Romantiques]

Thank you all for your input. The worst that can happen is the story doesn't get posted, so I'll just go ahead and submit it soon, maybe after toning down some of the gore.

 

[HeyAll]

Basically, if it's murder for the sake of a story, it should be okay.

For instance, if there was a murder, and the rest of the story was an investigation, that's no problem.

But if a guy catches his wife with another man, then the crime happens, that won't be posted.

Maybe you could try posting your story as-is, and leave a note in the message area explaining why your story is okay.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Angelwatch contains a woman who goes off the rails and kills people, sometimes with sexual trappings to the executions. It's not snuff - the deaths are shocking but in no sense hot, and the character clearly feels nothing, let alone arousal - but it's still killings. It got through fine. If your deaths are about plot I wouldn't expect trouble.

 

[TamLin01]

Yes.

Since I can't post a message of less than five characters, I will repeat:

Yes.

 

[ishtat]

maybe after toning down some of the gore.

That's the crux of it. Death is one thing; wallowing in either the fact or process is another.

If Laurel doesn't want it on the site she'll can it. Her site - her choice.

 

[Carnevil9]

Browse through the Erotic Horror section to see the range of things that get accepted.

 

[TxRad]

Browse through the Erotic Horror section to see the range of things that get accepted.

Dead people in romance kind of messes with the mood, don't ya think.

 

[Hypoxia]

I have killed off many characters, some rather explicitly, most not, but none for the sake of sexual gratification. A character throws poisoned darts into the throats of those who have wronged him, or wires a bed to electrocute cheaters, or set off bombs. Major characters are crushed by speeding trains, or transformed into banana slugs and eaten, or accidentally drink poison. I edited a major EH story where demons suck life from victims. Death is part of life. Just don't enjoy it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Dead people in romance kind of messes with the mood, don't ya think.

There's a reason they call it "la petite mort"

I still have my Little Death button somewhere around, thanks to XXXenophile.

 

[DeYaKen]

If you kill off women in a story, you can expect some to label you, a misogynist. This applies to murder, suicide, or even misadventure.

It will not matter what your motives are or whether it fits the story. Grow an extra layer of skin and do it anyway.

 

[Hypoxia]

If you kill off women in a story, you can expect some to label you, a misogynist. This applies to murder, suicide, or even misadventure.

In Prickly Pairs I killed off a cheating couple, vivid male and female characters, swept away in a flash flood, and nobody complained -- it's my only Red-H LW piece. Of course it could be interpreted as Divine Judgment. The gods can get away with almost anything. I also killed the leading lady in my highest-ranked tale, That's My Girl, crushed by a subway train, again with no complaints. I did catch some flack for electrocuting another cheating couple in I Can't Hear You but the snipes were about overkill, not misogyny. YMMV.

 

[DeYaKen]

In Prickly Pairs I killed off a cheating couple, vivid male and female characters, swept away in a flash flood, and nobody complained -- it's my only Red-H LW piece. Of course it could be interpreted as Divine Judgment. The gods can get away with almost anything. I also killed the leading lady in my highest-ranked tale, That's My Girl, crushed by a subway train, again with no complaints. I did catch some flack for electrocuting another cheating couple in I Can't Hear You but the snipes were about overkill, not misogyny. YMMV.

Lucky you.
Smoking Kills cheating couple blown up, Misogyny screams.
Waiting for the Exeter Express wife throws herself under a train. Misogyny screams.
Driving home for Christmas wife dies of exposure after a fall. Misogyny screams.

People can change Lover gets his neck broken. Howls of approval.

All screams were anonymous, of course, though judging from the use of words, they came from people I have crossed swords with before. Some folks don't seem to realise that killing off a character is just a plot device. I find that I use it mostly to shorten a story which is over running. On the other hand perhaps I've just upset the wrong people. C'est la vie.

 

[Hypoxia]

Lucky you.

Pretty much. Story of my life.

Some folks don't seem to realise that killing off a character is just a plot device. I find that I use it mostly to shorten a story which is over running. On the other hand perhaps I've just upset the wrong people. C'est la vie.

I have scheduled myself to finish my BOOK OF RUTH cycle in October. (Don't ask.) The most obvious way to clear the decks for the (hopefully) surprise ending would be to kill-off most of the not-so-innocent women, lovers the narrator has impregnated (including his mother and sister). Maybe have them kill each other, or let his barren wife Ruth handle the chore, intentionally or accidentally. Yes, she pushed the red button entirely by accident. That way it's all Ruth's fault, not mine, hey?

 

[DeYaKen]

Pretty much. Story of my life.



I have scheduled myself to finish my BOOK OF RUTH cycle in October. (Don't ask.) The most obvious way to clear the decks for the (hopefully) surprise ending would be to kill-off most of the not-so-innocent women, lovers the narrator has impregnated (including his mother and sister). Maybe have them kill each other, or let his barren wife Ruth handle the chore, intentionally or accidentally. Yes, she pushed the red button entirely by accident. That way it's all Ruth's fault, not mine, hey?

You could always do a Dynasty and have a bunch of terrorists burst in and blow them all away.

 

[Sammael Bard]

Lucky you.
Smoking Kills cheating couple blown up, Misogyny screams.
Waiting for the Exeter Express wife throws herself under a train. Misogyny screams.
Driving home for Christmas wife dies of exposure after a fall. Misogyny screams.

People can change Lover gets his neck broken. Howls of approval.

All screams were anonymous, of course, though judging from the use of words, they came from people I have crossed swords with before. Some folks don't seem to realise that killing off a character is just a plot device. I find that I use it mostly to shorten a story which is over running. On the other hand perhaps I've just upset the wrong people. C'est la vie.

Yep. People shouldn't be judged by the fiction they write. Some readers forget that it's just a story and start taking things personally.

Oh wait, did I just define LW?

 

[SikFuk]

Pretty much. Story of my life.



I have scheduled myself to finish my BOOK OF RUTH cycle in October. (Don't ask.) The most obvious way to clear the decks for the (hopefully) surprise ending would be to kill-off most of the not-so-innocent women, lovers the narrator has impregnated (including his mother and sister). Maybe have them kill each other, or let his barren wife Ruth handle the chore, intentionally or accidentally. Yes, she pushed the red button entirely by accident. That way it's all Ruth's fault, not mine, hey?

A loaded gun and alcohol is a very efficient means of clearing the decks.

 

[Hypoxia]

A loaded gun and alcohol is a very efficient means of clearing the decks.

But does she get away with it? How do I keep it light?
I know -- tentacles! They're all skinny-dipping at Black's Beach and tentacles snake up from the waves and haul off all of Ruth's rivals! The cuckolded husbands and bastard kids are all innocents so nothing happens to them. Whew. Saved by the suckers!

 

[Gorza]

I apologize for restarting this thread after such a long time. Although I can understand why Lit is careful about portrayals of death in stories, passion and death are a heady mix.

I have two stories in the pipeline that contain death as an element.

The first I think will have no problem. It's a story of secret agents, and one of them is killed in the line of duty. The death is not sexualised, but the agent who dies is in a sexual relationship with other characters. The death is there to add tension and emotion to the story.

The other is a Lovecraftian horror, and I think may have more of a problem with the rules. The climax is a massed orgy that ends with the unspeakable creature killing half the participants at random. The rough draft doesn't make the killings, by strangulation, too explicit, but they do happen during sex, and those that survive experience their lovers being killed. Anyway, I think that probably goes beyond Lit's rules. An alternative would be for the creature simply to carry off the victims and them never to be seen again. It would still work, but wouldn't have the deep horror I was going for.

 

[Sammael Bard]

Well, I just submitted a story where the protagonist murders his father by stabbing his throat. All details captured in excruciating HD perfection, of course.

Let's see if that gets accepted.

 

[JKendallDane]

Although I can understand why Lit is careful about portrayals of death in stories, passion and death are a heady mix.

Very much so. Making death erotic requires some serious finessing, but it can be very well received by the readers.

My highest rated story (currently #29 on the GM All Time HOF list) revolves around the tragic death of a main character's father. All the insanity and interactions of dealing with arrangements, family, friends, an ex, and the funeral itself. The intense emotions of both loss and supportive love from the partner. Mixed it all together and even managed to end it with a very tender, lovemaking scene.

Make them cry, laugh, cheer, and get off all in the same story, and you can end up with a real winner.

.

 

[Hypoxia]

I posted this Sexual Death bunny in Story Ideas some time ago so it is fair game and I do not think I will write it myself. A couple (or more) are in an airplane that is plummeting to doom. The players are having one last fuck before they are smashed to pulp. This is a great candidate for a 1st-person present-tense POV, like the last verse of EL PASO. Which comes first, the cum or the crash?