"Are all 15 women and their families lying?"

[Le Jacquelope]

LOL

That's exactly the same thing Bill Clinton's enemies said about the women accusing him of sexual harassment.

I wonder how many people believe all those women were lying about Bill Clinton?

Oh well. I would love to see Arnie say to this guy's face in front of a TV camera, "Yes, all 15 are lying." I betcha he won't do it because they aren't lying.

Schwarzenegger Claims Campaign Momentum

By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Marching on the Capitol he hopes to claim in the recall election, Arnold Schwarzenegger said he sensed "an unbelievable momentum" Sunday, despite new allegations of sexual harassment and signs of a tightening race. The embattled incumbent, Gov. Gray Davis (news - web sites), signed a law making California the largest state to require employer-paid health care.



A poll released over the weekend found Schwarzenegger's lead among replacement candidates waning with news of harassment claims, but the Republican remained ahead of the pack and voters still favored removing Davis from office in Tuesday's election.

Schwarzenegger did not address the allegations during his march and rally at the Capitol, his only scheduled public appearance Sunday, but said Davis "has terminated opportunities and now it's time to terminate him."

"Please bring me the broom," the Republican told a rally crowd of nearly 5,000. "We are here to clean house."

Schwarzenegger's opponents and supporters alike held signs referring to the harassment allegations, from "No groper for governor" and "Say no to Predators" to "Gray groped government" and "Gray groped our assets."

Four more women surfaced to accuse Schwarzenegger of groping, spanking or touching them inappropriately, bringing the total to 15 since a Los Angeles Times story Thursday detailed six claims of harassment between 1975 and 2000.

The Times reported Sunday on the latest group, which included an unidentified 51-year-old woman who said Schwarzenegger pinned her to him and spanked her repeatedly three years ago at a West Los Angeles post-production studio.

Three other women named by the Times said Schwarzenegger fondled them in separate incidents outside a Venice gym in the mid-1980s, at a bar in the late 1970s and on the set of the movie "Predator" in 1986.

Schwarzenegger spokesman Sean Walsh dismissed as untrue the accounts of three of the women in the Times' Sunday story. He said the actor had no recollection of the alleged gym incident.

In a "Dateline NBC" interview aired Sunday evening, Schwarzenegger said of the allegations, "a lot of it is made-up stories. I've never grabbed anyone and pulled up the shirt and grabbed the breast and stuff like that."

But when asked if he denied all the stories about grabbing, he said, "No, not all. But I'm just saying this is not me. What I am is someone that sometimes makes outrageous jokes, someone that is out and says sometimes crazy things that may be offensive because there is a certain atmosphere."

Schwarzenegger said he wouldn't say anything more about the harassment claims until after the election. "I can get into all of the specifics and find out what is really going on," he said. "But right now I'm just really occupied with the campaign."

Speaking on morning television news shows Sunday, Schwarzenegger repeated that the harassment allegations and reports that he praised Nazi leader Adolf Hitler as a young man were desperate last-minute politically motivated attacks.

"This is campaign trickery and it is dirty campaigning," he said in an interviewed aired on ABC's "This Week" Sunday. "Like, for instance, I despise anything and everything that Hitler stands for."

Davis, who has said he had nothing to do with the harassment allegations, said they indicate "serious problems" with Schwarzenegger's behavior and questioned his ability to govern.

"Are all 15 women and their families lying?" the Democrat told reporters during brief remarks made at a Los Angeles ceremony where he signed the employee health care bill into law.

Democratic Attorney General Bill Lockyer said after a Davis rally in San Jose that Schwarzenegger should volunteer for a state investigation, even though criminal charges could not be pursued because the statute of limitations has expired for all the allegations.



"It's really more a question of character and what the voters think rather than a legal matter," Lockyer said.

Schwarzenegger spokesman Rob Stutzman accused Lockyer of engaging in the sort of "puke politics" the attorney general had earlier warned Davis to avoid.

The law Davis signed Sunday will provide health insurance to nearly 1.1 million working Californians who do not currently receive job-based coverage, the governor predicted. Though small businesses are exempted, the measure requires most employers to pay for their employees' health care.

"Today we take a bold step to reform health care," Davis said at a ceremony, attended by the Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites), actor Danny Glover and labor leaders.

A Knight Ridder poll released late Saturday found support for recalling Davis might be slipping, although 54 percent favored removing him while 41 percent were opposed.

The poll, conducted Wednesday through Saturday, found that the percentage of people saying they would definitely vote to oust Davis dropped in the last days the survey was conducted, from 52 percent Wednesday to 44 percent Saturday. Those saying they either were probably going to vote for the recall or were unsure how to vote increased from 10 percent Wednesday to 24 percent Saturday.

The poll of 1,000 registered voters, conducted by Elway/McGuire Research and posted on the San Jose Mercury News Web site, had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points. No margin of sampling error was released for the day-to-day numbers.

The poll also indicates the race tightening between Schwarzenegger and Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, the leading Democrat among the replacement candidates.

The poll showed Schwarzenegger with 36 percent support, to 29 percent for Bustamante. A poll conducted by the Field Research Corp. between Sept. 25 and Oct. 1 gave Schwarzenegger a 10-point lead over Bustamante.

Such polling results led to a new anti-recall ad in which U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record) says, "This recall is turning around." The new ad from Californians Against the Costly Recall is set to begin airing in major markets Monday.

Though she names neither Davis nor Schwarzenegger, the senator cites the recent "serious allegations" against Schwarzenegger while asserting that, "People are beginning to see how unfair it (the recall) is, and how harmful it is to California's economy and to our people."
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Associated Press writers Erica Werner, Beth Fouhy, Paul Chavez and Seth Hettena contributed to this story.[/b]

 

[PCG]

So in the past 25 years, he's supposedly touched 15 women innappropriately? Big deal. And the fact that it's coming out now seems just a little too convenient.

Really, if all he's done that they can use as dirt is pinch a few asses or make a few comments, I say elect him.

 

[GeorgeWBush]

Why didn't they bring charges against him when it happened it's to late now.

It should ll be dropped because they did nothing when it happened.

Elect him and see if he can do the job who knows maybe he'll be good.

But i don't live in california so i really don't care.

 

[Ham Murabi]

"Are all 15 women and their families lying?"

LOL

That's exactly the same thing Bill Clinton's enemies said about the women accusing him of sexual harassment.

I wonder how many people believe all those women were lying about Bill Clinton?

Oh well. I would love to see Arnie say to this guy's face in front of a TV camera, "Yes, all 15 are lying." I betcha he won't do it because they aren't lying.


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Schwarzenegger Claims Campaign Momentum

By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Marching on the Capitol he hopes to claim in the recall election, Arnold Schwarzenegger said he sensed "an unbelievable momentum" Sunday, despite new allegations of sexual harassment and signs of a tightening race. The embattled incumbent, Gov. Gray Davis (news - web sites), signed a law making California the largest state to require employer-paid health care.


LOL. I wonder how many businesses can't afford employer-paid health care, especially with all the other taxes they are paying. Ha ha ha.
Some morons, including Gray Davis and loving tongue, don't understand that business owners aren't the source of a never-ending supply of benefits. Maybe, ha ha ha, he never noticed that a lot of them went out of business.
And maybe, ha ha ha, all those women who accused Bill Clinton had names, unlike those anonymous complainers featured in the LA Times.
I could care less if Davis is recalled, and as a matter of fact I'd prefer he wasn't.
With him in the governor's seat and the Assembly and Senate intact, they'll bankrupt the state in no time with incredibly high government spending and more and more demands on the people who are actually earning money. Those people earning money will decide, eventually, to operate their businesses elsewhere.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

LOL. I wonder how many businesses can't afford employer-paid health care, especially with all the other taxes they are paying. Ha ha ha.
Some morons, including Gray Davis and loving tongue, don't understand that business owners aren't the source of a never-ending supply of benefits.

I wonder how many morons, including hammurabi, actually believe I support Davis, no matter what he does this late in the game? I don't even need to look at this so-called health care bill to guess that it was quickly drafted and not well thought out. And I never claimed business owners are an endless supply of benefits; it would be utter denial to claim it wouldn't drive jobs out of the state.

That being said, most Americans could not afford to pay for the health care they need. The gross amount of money charged for the most trivial of services, is gross enough with the price controls we have. Imagine if they were unrestricted!

Of course, the average American knows there's no way any person can take on their own health expenses, one on one.

Better yet, the whole world knows that. Do you know of a single industrialized nation that doesn't have some measure of subsidized health care? I wonder why there aren't any.

And here's another one for ya. Who is going to have any money to buy your business's products or services, if they're spending every dime of what they earn to pay their medical debts?

Oh and you do know I'm not voting for Davis, right? I'm in support of McClintock.

 

[Ham Murabi]

I wonder how many morons, including hammurabi, actually believe I support Davis, no matter what he does this late in the game? I don't even need to look at this so-called health care bill to guess that it was quickly drafted and not well thought out. And I never claimed business owners are an endless supply of benefits; it would be utter denial to claim it wouldn't drive jobs out of the state.

That being said, most Americans could not afford to pay for the health care they need. The gross amount of money charged for the most trivial of services, is gross enough with the price controls we have. Imagine if they were unrestricted!

Of course, the average American knows there's no way any person can take on their own health expenses, one on one.

Better yet, the whole world knows that. Do you know of a single industrialized nation that doesn't have some measure of subsidized health care? I wonder why there aren't any.

And here's another one for ya. Who is going to have any money to buy your business's products or services, if they're spending every dime of what they earn to pay their medical debts?

Oh and you do know I'm not voting for Davis, right? I'm in support of McClintock.

Most Americans can't afford health care? Just how sick are we?
I've got two kids who haven't been to the doctor in the last two years. I can afford that. I've been to the doctor three times in the last two years. I can afford that. I also pay for health insurance that didn't cover my visits. If I get really sick, that's what my health insurance is for. But I take on my own health expenses, and I'm your basic average American.
I can't think of any country that doesn't have some sort of subsidized health care, including the U.S. My brother just spent over a week in ICU, and he has no health insurance. If that's not a subsidy, I don't know what is.

 

[GeorgeWBush]

I'm on medicaid and i hve to see one docor every 3 months another doctor every 2 or 3 years i'm seeing him next month so i can have this hose shoved up my ass so they can see if i have gotten ny worse but it will tell if i'm fine for another few years or i have colon cancer but it will show nothing.

I have an arthritis doctor i'm getting sick of seeing doctors last year i saw a doctor every month for 6 months.

It is an all day trip to see my docs. they are in seattle and i live an hour by boat but the drive round trip is half hour just to get to the ferry boat.

Then wait to see the doc. then wait for my ride back to the ferry i'm on the ferry round trip 2 hours.

no fun.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Most Americans can't afford health care? Just how sick are we?
I've got two kids who haven't been to the doctor in the last two years. I can afford that. I've been to the doctor three times in the last two years. I can afford that. I also pay for health insurance that didn't cover my visits. If I get really sick, that's what my health insurance is for. But I take on my own health expenses, and I'm your basic average American.

Wait'll you get into your elderly years.

I can't think of any country that doesn't have some sort of subsidized health care, including the U.S. My brother just spent over a week in ICU, and he has no health insurance. If that's not a subsidy, I don't know what is.

Exactly. And if subsidized health care is evil, then that means this entire world is far, far beyond redemption.

But ya gotta ask yourself.. why do they all have these programs?

I'll tell you what I ask myself every time this comes up... how much should be subsidized, and how do we do it? I can tell you one thing, and it goes against what you characterized of me - a state mandating health coverage for a business, is inherently stupid. It is only going to drive businesses to another state. Of course, a national policy - which I support - would drive businesses out of the US - but fortunately, not all of them. And when the reality hits Americans hard enough that corporations are doing nothing more than hunting for workers in countries with the poorest (read: cheapest) working conditions, they will finally get off their asses and do something.. what they'll do, I dunno. Will America submit to the corporate demand for turn-of-the-20th century sweatshop conditions? Or will the people retaliate in some harsh way?

BTW this thread WAS about allegations of sexual harassment....

 

[Lost Cause]

The timing is blatant.....follow the money.

No one can argue the motivation, and the sheer ignorance of those that believe their "pain".

www.joinarnold.com

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Re: The timing is blatant.....follow the money.

No one can argue the motivation, and the sheer ignorance of those that believe their "pain".

www.joinarnold.com

And no one can argue the sheer ignorance of pure and unapologetic apathy.

I believe Arnie's going to win, if the recall goes through. But that doesn't mean I believe he's the right man for the job.

BTW do you really think McClintock is a supporter of requiring employers to provide health coverage the way Davis is? I doubt it. Yet I support McClintock. because while Davis supports health care, he's also fucked California so many other ways that he does far more damage than he does good.

Did you know McClintock supports repealing the 300% car tax?