Archived comments

[Senna Jawa]

... tend to vanish. Step by step it would make sense to copy the archived comments to PF&D (skip the junk, keep the good and reasonable entries).

 

[Senna Jawa]

(r)evolution?

Especially the new or relatively new participants of this board may enjoy to watch all different styles, etc. Also you may check the difference, if any, in an approach to comments. However, a lot of it depends on individuals more than on any trend.

 

[Angeline]

So you are saying just copy your comment and post that in the recommendations thread? Works for me. I have not even been able to keep my current comments from vanishing the last few days. I filed a bug report but that never seems to do anything. I've had to rewrite a few comments lately.

Good idea.

 

[Senna Jawa]

Details (but important

So you are saying just copy your comment and post that in the recommendations thread? Works for me. I have not even been able to keep my current comments from vanishing the last few days. I filed a bug report but that never seems to do anything. I've had to rewrite a few comments lately.

Good idea.

For any interesting archived poem XYZ + respective comments one can open a new thread, say

• Archived poem "XYZ"

and add the link to the archived poem to the thread, and would also add the actual COPIES of the respective comments (minus the dreadful ones--it's enough to include the reasonable comments). Then the participants will expand the new given thread by providing their own new additions.

On the top of it, one would keep a list (a thread--perhaps with one entry only)
with links to the new mentioned threads like Archives poem "XYZ", together with the original archived link. A volunteer or an administrator can kindly take the care of the list.

This way we can always check the list for the present links.

 

[Senna Jawa]

High quality comments from the past + the current comments

It's a pity that the proposition of a systematic collection of high quality comments got virtually ignored (at least Angeline was an exception). Is this idea too difficult to implement (perhaps I expressed myself not clear, for sure)? Or is it really not worthwhile?

In the past we managed to maintain certain topic poem collections. It be good to have more of them. A software hierarchical construction is missing but it is easy to implement it by hand, as we did it in the past. On the top of it just one special post can be sticky; it would play a role of INDEX, it would contain a list of lists of link collections. This links of lists may include collections of special poems, and the archived comments, and more.

 

[HarryHill]

Forget that, Holy one. You speak of grapes. I would have wine; give us a poem, any you design.

 

[Angeline]

It's a pity that the proposition of a systematic collection of high quality comments got virtually ignored (at least Angeline was an exception). Is this idea to difficult to implement (perhaps I expressed myself clear, for sure)? Or is it really not worthwhile?

In the past we managed to maintain certain topic poem collections. It be good to have more of them. A software hierarchical construction is missing but it is easy to implement it by hand, as we did it in the past. On the top of it just post can be sticky; it would play a role of INDEX, it would contain a list of lists of link collections. This links of lists may include collections of special poems, and the archived comments, and more.

I'm open to the idea and think it would be good to preserve comments here as well as on the submission itself, where they do tend to disappear. I just don't have time to do it myself and therein may lie the problem, Senna. I'm in the process of condensing the sticky threads into two: one called Forum Rules and Resources and the other the New Poem recommendations. I don't see why we could not link that index as a resource, but someone has to do it and keep it up.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

I don't see why we could not link that index as a resource, but someone has to do it and keep it up.

I'd second this but not sure how it would be done.

 

[Angeline]

I'd second this but not sure how it would be done.

I just think doing it by hand sound like a big job that would never end. But maybe I am not understanding it either.

 

[Senna Jawa]

A tolerant, flexible solution.

Forget that, Holy one. You speak of grapes. I would have wine; give us a poem, any you design.

We can have both: the poems, and the anthologies.

 

[Senna Jawa]

A sticky "Anthologies", and the rest is up to the regulars

The bottom to top view:

1. Regular participants create poetic threads.
2. Participants in the charge of the "main anthologies" accepts their threads as links in the respective main anthologies link lists.
3. And administrator creates just one sticky list of links, called "Anthologies".

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More details:

An administrator may open a single "Anthologies" post. Over the next five years administrators may include a total of up twelve links to Literoticca anthologies. E.g. "Rhymes and meter" may deserve it's own anthology within the sticky "Anthologies" post. Perhaps "Haiku + Tanka" too. Thus for instance "Rhymes and meter" links to a special "Rhymes and meter" post (not sticky!), which will be handled by a regular participant. The same for "Haiku + Tanka". It would link to a special "Haiku + Tanka" post (not sticky!), which will be handled by a still different regular participant (or by the same one).

Now, the poetic posts (including their threads) and more specialized anthologies like "Sonnets" or "Erotic haiku" (ugh can be posted as on the board, while the respective links will be on the lists like "Rhymes and meter" or "Haiku + Tanka" or similar respectively.

"Archived Comments" may pass for one of the main "anthologies".

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Summary:

1. An administrator creates just one sticky post (a list of links) called "Anthologies". Then the same or other administrators create links, for a total of about 12 withing five years, to certain anthologies which are already to be created by the regular participants. Administrators have to be careful about including these special anthologies under the sticky list "Anthologies". This is all required from administrators (unless they want to do just a bit more too here and then). They need to include links to about 12 anthologies--call them the main anthologies.

2. Some other participants create the main anthologies (it's ok for administrators too)--i.e. participants create lists of links with poetic threads and sub-anthologies). Administrators are to accept the main anthologies. (Perhaps more than one person can be in charge of editing the same post, say of the same specific main anthology; one may even create a team who would share a new Literotica id in order to edit the main anthology link list).

3. The others create the poetic threads (and sub-anthologies), which will be accepted by the the maintainers of the main anthologies or administrators or the designated persons.

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More details can be mentioned but they are just details. If there is will then one can implement this construction without too much effort. The gain would be significant.

Thank you Angeline (for the n-th time, how nice) and Tristesse2,

Best regards,

 

[twelveoone]

More details:

An administrator may open a single "Anthologies" post. Over the next five years administrators may include a total of up twelve links to Literoticca anthologies. E.g. "Rhymes and meter" may deserve it's own anthology within the sticky "Anthologies" post. Perhaps "Haiku + Tanka" too. Thus for instance "Rhymes and meter" links to a special "Rhymes and meter" post (not sticky!), which will be handled by a regular participant. The same for "Haiku + Tanka". It would link to a special "Haiku + Tanka" post (not sticky!), which will be handled by a still different regular participant (or by the same one).

Now, the poetic posts (including their threads) and more specialized anthologies like "Sonnets" or "Erotic haiku" (ugh can be posted as on the board, while the respective links will be on the lists like "Rhymes and meter" or "Haiku + Tanka" or similar respectively.

"Archived Comments" may pass for one of the main "anthologies".

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Now where do you fit? If we have to come up with a category? Verse Libre?
Who subjectively picks? Do you not shudder at the thought at the slim possibility that you and I wind up in the same place?
Oh, I forgot, you write poetry, and I don't, oh foolish me. Fear erased. Muted point.

 

[HarryHill]

Now where do you fit? If we have to come up with a category? Verse Libre?
Who subjectively picks? Do you not shudder at the thought at the slim possibility that you and I wind up in the same place?
Oh, I forgot, you write poetry, and I don't, oh foolish me. Fear erased. Muted point.

..
there's a thought. Catagories: how many are there? I vote for a new one, Verse Nacho. It could be a sub category of &tipoetry.

 

[Angeline]

The bottom to top view:

1. Regular participants create poetic threads.
2. Participants in the charge of the "main anthologies" accepts their threads as links in the respective main anthologies link lists.
3. And administrator creates just one sticky list of links, called "Anthologies".

================================

More details:

An administrator may open a single "Anthologies" post. Over the next five years administrators may include a total of up twelve links to Literoticca anthologies. E.g. "Rhymes and meter" may deserve it's own anthology within the sticky "Anthologies" post. Perhaps "Haiku + Tanka" too. Thus for instance "Rhymes and meter" links to a special "Rhymes and meter" post (not sticky!), which will be handled by a regular participant. The same for "Haiku + Tanka". It would link to a special "Haiku + Tanka" post (not sticky!), which will be handled by a still different regular participant (or by the same one).

Now, the poetic posts (including their threads) and more specialized anthologies like "Sonnets" or "Erotic haiku" (ugh can be posted as on the board, while the respective links will be on the lists like "Rhymes and meter" or "Haiku + Tanka" or similar respectively.

"Archived Comments" may pass for one of the main "anthologies".

========================================

Summary:

1. An administrator creates just one sticky post (a list of links) called "Anthologies". Then the same or other administrators create links, for a total of about 12 withing five years, to certain anthologies which are already to be created by the regular participants. Administrators have to be careful about including these special anthologies under the sticky list "Anthologies". This is all required from administrators (unless they want to do just a bit more too here and then). They need to include links to about 12 anthologies--call them the main anthologies.

2. Some other participants create the main anthologies (it's ok for administrators too)--i.e. participants create lists of links with poetic threads and sub-anthologies). Administrators are to accept the main anthologies. (Perhaps more than one person can be in charge of editing the same post, say of the same specific main anthology; one may even create a team who would share a new Literotica id in order to edit the main anthology link list).

3. The others create the poetic threads (and sub-anthologies), which will be accepted by the the maintainers of the main anthologies or administrators or the designated persons.

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More details can be mentioned but they are just details. If there is will then one can implement this construction without too much effort. The gain would be significant.

Thank you Angeline (for the n-th time, how nice) and Tristesse2,

Best regards,

You're welcome for the n-th time.

So if I understand you correctly, let's say I write a ghazal (because I just did) and I submit it and I get three comments on it. I come here to the forum and create a thread that has a link to that submitted ghazal as well as a copy and paste of those three comments. And then my thread can be linked to a thread called form poems with comments or ghazals with comments or some such, which itself, is linked to Forum Rules and Resources.

I like the idea of being able to access comments easily not only to see different styles of commenting, but also for the trends one might see across poems over time (as you mentioned). Maybe, for example, I make a certain kind of mistake or my poem has a certain kind of shortcoming to the readers. If I were doing this across a group of poems it would, theoretically, be easy to see what I need to work on.

The only problem I see is buy-in. Would forum regulars be willing to do this? I don't know. I don't submit anymore because I've tended to get better feedback here, but I'd be willing to try it. So we'll see what happens.

You don't need to thank me anymore. I love you, too.

 

[Senna Jawa]

Easy organization and search (for otherwise is chaos))

[...] let's say I write a ghazal (because I just did) and I submit it and I get three comments on it. I come here to the forum and create a thread that has a link to that submitted ghazal as well as a copy and paste of those three comments. And then my thread can be linked to a thread called form poems with comments or ghazals with comments or some such, which itself, is linked to Forum Rules and Resources.

Yes. I'd prefer a sticky "Anthologies" link list, but if "Forum Rules..." is the selected solution then let it be. If it is called "Forum..." then it should include a separate segment for links to the "main anthologies" like "Form poems with comments".

We do it, i.e. an administrator creates just this one sticky post (say "Forum..."), and nobody loses anything, there are only possible gains. The whole construction is harmless.

Thus we already have our "Forum...". Then, say Angeline, creates on her own, and independ list of links, namely "Form poems and comments". Nobody needs to ask any questions at this moment. However, now Angeline--in a separate auxiliary thread!--may asks the administrators for an acceptance of "Form poetry with comments", so that a link in "Forum Rules..." will be accepted. In this case I except that the administrator will accept "Form poems and comments" pretty much immediately. Then any Literotica user can click on "Form Rules...", can find and click next on the link to "Form poems and comments", and the said user will be presented with links to threads devoted to "form poetry". It will be easy to find a bunch of posting devoted to "form poetry", while till now it is hard to find anything like this.

In general, in a more controversial cases the administrators may take before accepting a proposition for a new "main anthology". Some propositions can be refused because after all we should not more than 12 main anthologies within the next five years. For instance, if someone proposes an anthology called "Sonnets", it does n ot have to be one of a "main anthology". Instead, a link to anthology "Sonnets" can be featured in the main anthology "Form poetry and comments". Thus one searches for sonnets on Literotica via:

"Forum Rules..." --> "Form poems with comments" --> "Sonnets"

and the last list can have an extensive selection of sonnets and related comments.

(PS. I wish Angeline would not talk about so similarly sounding names like "Forum Rules..." versus "Form poems ..." )

 

[Angeline]

Yes. I'd prefer a sticky "Anthologies" link list, but if "Forum Rules..." is the selected solution then let it be. If it is called "Forum..." then it should include a separate segment for links to the "main anthologies" like "Form poems with comments".

We do it, i.e. an administrator creates just this one sticky post (say "Forum..."), and nobody loses anything, there are only possible gains. The whole construction is harmless.

Thus we already have our "Forum...". Then, say Angeline, creates on her own, and independ list of links, namely "Form poems and comments". Nobody needs to ask any questions at this moment. However, now Angeline--in a separate auxiliary thread!--may asks the administrators for an acceptance of "Form poetry with comments", so that a link in "Forum Rules..." will be accepted. In this case I except that the administrator will accept "Form poems and comments" pretty much immediately. Then any Literotica user can click on "Form Rules...", can find and click next on the link to "Form poems and comments", and the said user will be presented with links to threads devoted to "form poetry". It will be easy to find a bunch of posting devoted to "form poetry", while till now it is hard to find anything like this.

In general, in a more controversial cases the administrators may take before accepting a proposition for a new "main anthology". Some propositions can be refused because after all we should not more than 12 main anthologies within the next five years. For instance, if someone proposes an anthology called "Sonnets", it does n ot have to be one of a "main anthology". Instead, a link to anthology "Sonnets" can be featured in the main anthology "Form poetry and comments". Thus one searches for sonnets on Literotica via:

"Forum Rules..." --> "Form poems with comments" --> "Sonnets"

and the last list can have an extensive selection of sonnets and related comments.

(PS. I wish Angeline would not talk about so similarly sounding names like "Forum Rules..." versus "Form poems ..." )

We can call it Anthologies. Form and forum, ok, I get it! I just want to have no more than two permanent sticky threads on the main page. I dislike that we have so many now and want to streamline them as much as possible. That way, when we create temporary sticky threads, like the interviews or contests, whatever, we don't have the whole front page being sticky threads. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little (), but they have become a bugaboo to me!

So I'm thinking it would be something like:

"Forum Rules and Resources" --> "Resources" --> "Poem Anthologies" --> "Sonnets" --> Sonnet Blah Blah by Angeline

Tess? What do you think? I'm sure we can set up a user account or use The Poets account to administer it.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

OK I'm floundering a bit. There will be a sticky thread called "Anthologies" where poems and comments will be gathered that much I understand. The rest of it seems unnecessarily complicated, Senna, sorry. Do we really need each poet wanting to be included to create their own comments thread? (That's what I understood you to mean.) Also, is it proposed to have an anthology for every form and style?

Clarification required.

 

[Senna Jawa]

OK I'm floundering a bit. There will be a sticky thread called "Anthologies" where poems and comments will be gathered that much I understand. The rest of it seems unnecessarily complicated, Senna, sorry. Do we really need each poet wanting to be included to create their own comments thread? (That's what I understood you to mean.) Also, is it proposed to have an anthology for every form and style?

Clarification required.

There will be as many anthologies (rather many less) as needed (as participants develop). But there will only a few "main anthologies", say up to 12 within five years. Other anthologies can have just a single link within one of the main anthologies.

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Participants contribute threats just as they do it now. There are no constrains (other than now). There is just a new option to propose a link of the new (but already existed) thread to the one of the main anthologies (or occasionally to more than one!).

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Angelinge mentioned "The Poets". Indeed, it may be useful to handle the editing of some of anthologies (i.e. the respective link lists) by more than one person.

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Regards,

 

[Senna Jawa]

A mock-up system: resources and commented anthologies

I'll try to give a taste of what one can expect --I won't do much but it's going to be just a mock-up, and not more. We will see that there will be a (mock-up) top post "Resources and commented anthologies"; in the real case it will be the only sticky post of this whole system (unless some additional files will be made sticky by administrators, some perhaps temporarily).

I'll provide my own ad hoc choice of resources, which you may replace with the real ones. And I'll add 2-3 "main" anthologies, and at least one which be only linked to a more narrower anthologies.

I'll be very-very slow, sorry for this.

 

[normal jean]

hello Senna. I am glad to see you up and kickin'.

I might be missing the point, but I started a thread years ago to archive some of my poems and comments that were left on them. I always welcomed constructive crit, when anyone was willing to give it. Well, it is Maria's thread, Bug Day Afternoon.

I finally got my daughter settled in a quaint little town outside Gainesville, Florida. It is on the historical registry. Yep, Has nada to do with your thread, sorry. I will finally have time to write now that I have been declared 100 % disabled in my craft by 3 doctors and a physical therapist. Yay, I am fifty and bound for a wheelchair in the next few years...oh well, at least I a alive. Hubby and I are gonna buy a place near Hendersonville, where I grew up and I am writing a short book about my Grandpa who was a sheriff for about 10 years, bustin' moonshine stills and I have some awesome old pics of his team at work, just don't know how to get releases from people to publish the pics. I think all the men have passed on but I will be in Columbus next month doing research at the courthouse.

I have truly missed you guys, life throws curveballs and our friends pass and I have work to do before my time comes. I hope you all know how grateful I am that I was welcomed back. It means the world to me.



ps, is flyguy around? or corndog? hehe

missed you too SJ. I always wanted to impress you but I'm no angeline or neo or Anna. Tess or Pat or Tzara or you......but I try. Thanks for what you have all taught me. I knew nothing when I came here.

 

[Senna Jawa]

Maria's come back

[...] I might be missing the point, but I started a thread years ago to archive some of my poems and comments that were left on them. I always welcomed constructive crit, when anyone was willing to give it. Well, it is Maria's thread, Bug Day Afternoon.

Hi, Maria! Long time no see. Why don't you remind us about your threat, and we will see what happens?

[...] I have been declared 100 % disabled in my craft by 3 doctors and a physical therapist. Yay, I am fifty and bound for a wheelchair in the next few years...oh well, at least I a alive.

I am sorry about your misfortunes. At least you're enthusiastic about your writing which is your silver lining. (I wish I'd be as enthusiastic when it comes to my activities .

Best to you, Maria,

 

[normal jean]

Hi, Maria! Long time no see. Why don't you remind us about your threat, and we will see what happens?



I am sorry about your misfortunes. At least you're enthusiastic about your writing which is your silver lining. (I wish I'd be as enthusiastic when it comes to my activities .

Best to you, Maria,

Thank you, Senna

My threat? hmmmm.....I must have threatened to return. Sometime I just wanna hug a Senna Jawa or a Rybka or well, you know, a 1201. He thinks people HATE him??????

me leaving, bewildered...

 

[Senna Jawa]

My threat? hmmmm.....

Sorry, "thread" (or perhaps "treat"). So nice to see you, best regards,

 

[twelveoone]

Thank you, Senna

My threat? hmmmm.....I must have threatened to return. Sometime I just wanna hug a Senna Jawa or a Rybka or well, you know, a 1201. He thinks people HATE him??????

me leaving, bewildered...

people tend to hate what they fear, and me, I'm just like a mirror at times, The Speculum of Dread

 

[normal jean]

people tend to hate what they fear, and me, I'm just like a mirror at times, The Speculum of Dread

Well, 1201, I don't fear you, therefore, by your logic, I cannot hate you, but I don't hate you anyway. sometimes people feel bad, are just grumpy, I have worked with a lot of what some people would "old curmudgeons" and you don't even rank curmudgeon on my list yet. I don't really hate anyone. Why carry that heaviness with you inside you, throughout your life? It isn't worth it.

I thought I hated a couple of people in my life, but I look back, and realize they are sad, pitiful people and if I could help them I would, and they are ALL family, you see.

I guess I have to admit I dread seeing any of them, but we live in different spaces.
Now, if you hate me, please let me know and I will stay vacant of your personal space online, okay?

Take care of yourself, ye ole grumpy one. I love ya. And you know it. I love your poetry, and you know it.

I can't stay much longer I think I left my charger in Florida when I moved my daughter.....yet again. Ph.D. whew......maybe no moves for a few years. Be well