Anti-Gun Lawmakers Push Ammunition Sales Ban

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On July 30th, U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and U.S. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) introduced legislation that would impose sweeping new--and not so new--restrictions on ammunition sales.

The bills, S. 3458 and H.R. 6241, are known as the “Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act.” The bill itself has four elements: (1) A federal licensing requirement for ammunition sellers; (2) Recordkeeping on all ammunition sales; (3) Reporting of all sales of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to anyone without a federal firearms license within five consecutive business days; and (4) A photo identification requirement for all non-licensees buying ammunition, “effectively banning the online or mail order purchase of ammo by regular civilians.”

The two lawmakers’ contempt for “regular civilians” is nothing new, and neither are the first two of the requirements they propose. Starting in 1968, ammunition dealers had to have licenses from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and also had to keep records of purchasers. The recordkeeping requirement on .22 caliber rimfire ammunition was so burdensome that it was repealed in 1982. Congress did away with the remaining licensing and recordkeeping provisions as part of the "Firearms Owners’ Protection Act of 1986" after the BATF itself said the restrictions had “no substantial law enforcement value.”

The proposed bill would turn back the clock to the days when ammunition was only available in person at licensed stores, driving up prices and making less popular cartridges nearly unobtainable for millions of lawful gun owners. The effect of all of these proposals on competitive shooters, who buy ammunition by the case lot for consistent accuracy and shoot tens of thousands of rounds each year in practice, would be especially devastating. And because the word “ammunition” is defined in federal law to include components such as bullets and empty cartridge cases, the bill would be disastrous for handloaders--especially those who enjoy shooting rare, historic cartridges.

In fact, Lautenberg and McCarthy would do well to heed the words of the Obama administration’s top negotiator at the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty conference, who pointed out to the nations of the world that “Ammunition is … fungible, consumable, reloadable, and cannot be marked in any practical way that would permit it to be tracked or traced. Any practical proposal for ammunition would need to consider the significant burdens associated with licensing, authorizations, and recordkeeping for ammunition that is produced and transferred in the billions of rounds per year.”
 
Never bought ammo on line in my life. I reload, plus WallyWorld has tons of ammo, without the $35 hazard shipping fee. :)
 
Two liberal wennies trying to control things and add to the government bureaucracy.

This still wouldn't stop criminals or wackjobs from attaining the ammo they need.

Also for any self respecting reloader, the brass can be used over and over, you can buy lead ingots at the hardware store and you can always make your own gunpowder.
 
Two liberal wennies trying to control things and add to the government bureaucracy.

This still wouldn't stop criminals or wackjobs from attaining the ammo they need.

Also for any self respecting reloader, the brass can be used over and over, you can buy lead ingots at the hardware store and you can always make your own gunpowder.

You know nothing about ammunition reloading do you? Sure you can use the brass a dozen times or so... but you can't make primers that easily, higher powered rifles require copper jacketed bullets to keep the lead from deforming in the barrel.

I don't think you can get the ingredients to make smokeless powder very easily and if you try to make your own pyrodex or regular black powder without special precautions, I would hope you have your fire and life insurance paid up cause you are gonna need it.
 
So Senators McCarthy and Lautenberg are anti-elderly and racist.

The voter-ID debate has proved beyond any doubt that requiring ID for ammunition is nothing but an attempt to keep ammunition out of the hands of elderly people and minorities.
 
So Senators McCarthy and Lautenberg are anti-elderly and racist.

The voter-ID debate has proved beyond any doubt that requiring ID for ammunition is nothing but an attempt to keep ammunition out of the hands of elderly people and minorities.
It would be nice if you actually read the post before posting a snarky and irrelevant reply.

A photo ID requirement blocks ALL online sales of ammunition to anyone without a Federal Firearms License.
 
"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
CS Lewis

They are never going to stop and they begin their work early, with the children in kindergarten, in the pediatrics office, the adoption process, anywhere that they can begin educating...

"I am a radical, Leftist, small "c" Communist.... Maybe I am the last Communist willing to admit it.... The ethics of Communism still appeal to me."
William Ayers
Mild-mannered Professor of Education and former Terrorist
 
Chris Rock's idea is to make bullets cost a thousand dollars. That was when someone gets killed you know they must have done something.

:)
 
Chris Rock's idea is to make bullets cost a thousand dollars. That was when someone gets killed you know they must have done something.

:)

Unless the round was purloined...

Chris is not one of the great minds of our time.
 
It's indicative of the skewed conservative priorities of America when law enforcement investigates people buying too many boxes of Sudafed or money orders over $1000.

Buy thousands of rounds of ammuntion, though? Not a problem!


Derp!
 
It would be nice if you actually read the post before posting a snarky and irrelevant reply.

A photo ID requirement blocks ALL online sales of ammunition to anyone without a Federal Firearms License.


It would be helpful if you read the bill (S 3458) and the associated sections of US Title 18 Subsections 921, 922 and 923 before you plop down your dismissive snark.

The proposed Senate bill ends all online transactions between non-licensees.

It also (which is the part you did not bother to read) requires a License, ID checks and record keeping to sell ammunition face to face, treating ammunition exactly the same as the law treats firearms.

So dear Harold, you obviously replied without any idea what I was talking about because you obviously did not read the Senate bill and the associated sections of US Code, inserting the changes and attempting to interpret the result.

I have not yet read and studied the house version - because it will never get to the floor unless the Democrats win control in November.

Come back when you grow up and understand the difference between irrelevancy and studied snark. And now back to your regularly scheduled, "If it requires ID, how are minorities and Elderly folk to get their ammunition?"
 
ehhh it's one thing they don't have any restrictions over as to who is buying so I can see how they could get this to work...but what a fucking pain in the ass.
 
I especially like "(3) Reporting of all sales of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to anyone without a federal firearms license within five consecutive business days"

So now anyone with ill intent will just buy 1,000 per day every 6 days or more. Just like tax evaders never deposit/withdraw more than $9,999 in a single transaction.

Since provision #3 is useless, why have it? Cause it makes legislatures feel like it will make a difference.
 
Funny how those in congress don't remember the ammo registration requirements for .22 ammo which was repealed in 1983. As I recall it didn't work too well then either. It created more problems (red tape wise) than it was worth and was almost unenforceable or ignored by most jurisdictions beyond a basic log and proof that you were 16 (Arizona law at the time). Me and my brother used to buy the stuff by the brick (500 rnds a box) and no one blinked an eye about it.

So other than being a bit of "feel good legislation" I fail to see how this proposal is going to do a damn thing other than create a myriad of red tape for retailers/wholesalers.
 
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It also (which is the part you did not bother to read) requires a License, ID checks and record keeping to sell ammunition face to face, treating ammunition exactly the same as the law treats firearms.

What about the term frangible did you not understand? Ammunition is not, and can never be serially numbered, besides the fact you can make your own. It's an idea that, thankfully, has even less of a chance at success as had prohibition in the 1930's. And the black market of ammunition sales would make the bootleg liquor business look like a picnic.

Obviously this is legislative overreach, and is going nowhere, except to prove the point that liberals are out to grab guns, which is a point they will still try and deny. It's now a proven point, in the very writing of these bill, they are actively trying to grab your second amendment rights.
 
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What about the term frangible did you not understand? Ammunition is not, and can never be serially numbered, besides the fact you can make your own. It's an idea that, thankfully, has even less of a chance at success as had prohibition in the 1930's. And the black market of ammunition sales would make the bootleg liquor business look like a picnic.

Obviously this is legislative overreach, and is going nowhere, except to prove the point that liberals are out to grab guns, which is a point they will still try and deny. It's now a proven point, in the very writing of these bill, they are actively trying to grab your second amendment rights.

The word "frangible" does not appear in the Senate bill, nor does it appear in U.S Tite 18 subsections 921, 922 or 923. It does not even appear in the OP (and even if it did, you obviously do not know what it means).

So, what the fuck are you talking about you ridiculous idiot?

Or do you think "fungible" and "frangible" are synonyms?

Which part of Coach is a fucking moron - do you not understand.
 
The biggest problem with the Bill is that Congress, yet again, attempted to devise a Bill without knowing if the Bill, if enacted before the Colorado shootings, would have prevented the Colorado shootings.

I wish Congress would focus on things they are experts in, like Handgun Design. Imagine the thoughts of the seasoned Engineers that design guns. These Engineers think they have a great design, yet here comes Congress with such novel designs such as minimum trigger pull weight, max magazine capacity, etc. The handguns Engineers must be in awe of Congress' ability to design guns.:rolleyes:
 
The biggest problem with the Bill is that Congress, yet again, attempted to devise a Bill without knowing if the Bill, if enacted before the Colorado shootings, would have prevented the Colorado shootings.

I wish Congress would focus on things they are experts in, like Handgun Design. Imagine the thoughts of the seasoned Engineers that design guns. These Engineers think they have a great design, yet here comes Congress with such novel designs such as minimum trigger pull weight, max magazine capacity, etc. The handguns Engineers must be in awe of Congress' ability to design guns.:rolleyes:

At least half of congress wouldn't able to blow itself to hell provided an adequate set of 'how-to' instructions ......
 
Let's see a number of the provisions of this law are already in place...like keeping records. Than you're restricted to only buying what a 1,000 rounds every week or so....Do they think this would have stopped a man who spent four months plotting the massacre? Will this law some how prevent evil? Hell will it even prevent a crime.

Despite our "lack" gun laws we've had the same number of mass shootings they've had in Europe. The Assault weapons ban expired they claimed the streets would run with blood...they didn't in fact crime has gone down. They threw out the gun law DC they predicted violence it never happened.

I wish the people who keep claiming they want common sense gun laws would actually have some common sense.

The theater actually had signs up that said people weren't allowed to bring their legal firearms into the theater (the right of the property owner to do so). I guess the deranged creep just didn't see the signs....I mean if he knew there was a rule that would have stopped him right?
 
It's indicative of the skewed conservative priorities of America when law enforcement investigates people buying too many boxes of Sudafed or money orders over $1000.

Buy thousands of rounds of ammuntion, though? Not a problem!


Derp!

Having trouble setting up your Crystal Meth Lab are you?
 
I wish the people who keep claiming they want common sense gun laws would actually have some common sense.

The theater actually had signs up that said people weren't allowed to bring their legal firearms into the theater (the right of the property owner to do so). I guess the deranged creep just didn't see the signs....I mean if he knew there was a rule that would have stopped him right?

The gun laws in effect worked perfectly... nobody in that theater had a gun! Well, except for the gunman, of course. It was 100% effective at what the gun control freaks wanted, nobody had a gun ... of course, that also meant they couldn't defend themselves at all, and a dozen people died while the gunman had time to empty his weapons and reload, then continue his rampage. Good call, gun banners... really fuckin' good call!

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Right Coach....


When members of the media sit down and debate these issues they never look at the whole picture. Certainly they'll never acknowledge that there might be problems with the law. The fact is they're are sick and dangerous people out there in society. This kid even was getting mental help, but he still moved forward with violence even with all the free help there is out there.

Still rather than blame him it's about the fact that he could buy weapons or order ammunition over the internet is the issue. This law is in reaction to the event, but I've yet to hear how it would prevent the event.

I love how people who have body guards, a whole police force dedicated to their protection where they work, and are able to hit a panic button for security keep telling me I don't need a gun for self defense. It's kind of like the people with private jets and several homes telling me to worry about my carbon foot print.

I blame the college loan people who just gave him the cash. It should have went to the school to distribute. But really they're just as guilty as the people who legally sold him the guns. I mean can you background check Intent right?
 
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