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Seeing Bad People Suffer




NEW YORK - Bill Clinton said he felt others' pain. But a new brain-scanning study suggests that when guys see a cheater get a mild electric shock, they don't feel his pain much at all. In fact, they rather enjoy it.

In contrast, women's brains showed they do empathize with the cheater's pain and don't get a kick out it.

It's not clear whether this difference in schadenfreude — enjoyment of another's misfortune — results from basic biology or sex roles learned during life, researchers say. But it could help explain why men have historically taken charge of punishing criminals and others who violate societal rules, said researcher Dr. Klaas Stephan.

Stephan, a senior research fellow at the University College London, is co-author of a study led by Tania Singer at the college and published online Wednesday by the journal Nature.

Singer, in an e-mail message, said the sex difference in results was a surprise and must be confirmed by larger studies. The researchers said women might have reacted like men if the cheater suffered psychological or financial pain instead.

The scientists scanned the brains of 16 men and 16 women after the volunteers played a game with what they thought were other volunteers, but who in fact were actors. The actors either played the game fairly or obviously cheated.

During the brain scans, each volunteer watched as the hands of a "fair" player and a cheater received a mild electrical shock. When it came to the fair-player, both men's and women's brains showed activation in pain-related areas, indicating that they empathized with that player's pain.

But for the cheater, while the women's brains still showed a response, men's brains showed virtually no specific reaction. Also, in another brain area associated with feelings of reward, men's brains showed a greater average response to the cheater's shock than to the fair player's shock, while women's brains did not.

A questionnaire revealed that the men expressed a stronger desire than women did for revenge against the cheater. The more a man said he wanted revenge, the higher his jump in the brain's reward area when the cheater got a shock. No such correlation showed up in women.

Philip Jackson, who studies brain systems responsible for empathy at the University of Laval in Quebec City in Canada, said he found the sex differences intriguing and worth following up on.

The overall results elegantly tie together "a lot of things we either knew or suspected strongly" about how social interaction can affect the brain's activity, he said.

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Interesting study. But knowing all the psychotic, vindictive bitches I've been involved with over the years I think they need a much broader female test group. :)
 
Boota said:
Interesting study. But knowing all the psychotic, vindictive bitches I've been involved with over the years I think they need a much broader female test group. :)
Big grin here, Boota.

Perdita :D
 
Boota said:
Interesting study. But knowing all the psychotic, vindictive bitches I've been involved with over the years I think they need a much broader female test group. :)

I think they'd get a pretty diverse study group simply from using all the women here on AH...........and some of the guys, come to that. ;)
 
I think I'd like to sign up someone I know for the shocks. Blow him right up to the moon, yeah! Of course I'd sympathize. While he was smoking...
 
Boota said:
Interesting study. But knowing all the psychotic, vindictive bitches I've been involved with over the years I think they need a much broader female test group.
I agree. I also think Damppanties has a very valid and eloquent point:

Damppanties said:
I think I'd like to sign up someone I know for the shocks. Blow him right up to the moon, yeah! Of course I'd sympathize. While he was smoking...
I'm guessing that it needs to be a little more personal for the women. I don't think they care much about whether someone cheats at a game...but if the researchers were to test the ex-girlfriends and wives of cheating guys, they might get a very different reaction :catroar:
 
Dr. Klaas Stephan said:
... men have historically taken charge of punishing criminals and others who violate societal rules ...

That's a sweeping and rather silly statement. In "traditional" homes of the past, women would most commonly punish children because they were present when the offense was committed. Women were also, particularly in the upper classes, the real deciders of most social punishments like shunning or cutting. A researcher who claims that men have historically taken charge of punishing those who violate societal rules has never seen a suspected "climber" cut dead at a social function. Punishment of criminals, yes, is traditionally a male function, but I'd suggest that that has more to do with who usually had the strength and weapons needed to catch the criminal in the first place and who had the education and power to become a judge.
 
BlackShanglan said:
A researcher who claims that men have historically taken charge of punishing those who violate societal rules has never seen a suspected "climber" cut dead at a social function.

oh...........yes.
 
Were the responses unanimous? That is, did all the women react the same and all the men react the same? If they did, that might mean something but if it was just "a majority" the test groups are too small to mean much.

What kind of game were they playing? If they were playing poker, that might have meant something because a lot of men have strong feelings about poker. If they were playing Candyland or some other children's game, I would think that cheating would be more accepted.
 
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Was the individual being a shocked a female when the subject was a male?

It makes a difference... a guy getting a shock, I'd probably turn it up.

A girl...

Also depends how cute she is... I can be one empathetic fuck if the girl is hot.

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
elsol said:
Was the individual being a shocked a female when the subject was a male?

It makes a difference... a guy getting a shock, I'd probably turn it up.

A girl...

Also depends how cute she is... I can be one empathetic fuck if the girl is hot.
This really does make the research even more suspect. If it had been a cute girl...the guys probably would have let her cheat ;)
 
3113 said:
This really does make the research even more suspect. If it had been a cute girl...the guys probably would have let her cheat ;)

True dat'
True dat'

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
matriarch said:
I think they'd get a pretty diverse study group simply from using all the women here on AH...........and some of the guys, come to that. ;)
We aare a wonderful sample. wish everyone could see us talking, here.
 
BlackShanglan said:
That's a sweeping and rather silly statement. In "traditional" homes of the past, women would most commonly punish children because they were present when the offense was committed.
I don't know about you, but when I was growing up, a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, it was Dad that handed out the punishments when he came home from work. Mom would only say things like 'You just wait until your father comes home.' That had me shaking in my boots and I would be a good little boy the rest of the day hoping she wouldn't really tell my father. True this only really happened when I got to old for her to handle with a quick swat on the butt, but prior to growing up, I was an angel. Well that's what I've been told anyway.
 
zeb1094 said:
I don't know about you, but when I was growing up, a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, it was Dad that handed out the punishments when he came home from work. Mom would only say things like 'You just wait until your father comes home.'

*nods* In fact, one of the major strategies my brother & I employed when in trouble was to up the ante enough that mom would lose her cool & dole out the punishment before dad got home (knowing that we wouldn't get it again). Then, we'd TRY not to giggle while she TRIED to deliver a sufficient whuppin'
 
impressive said:
*nods* In fact, one of the major strategies my brother & I employed when in trouble was to up the ante enough that mom would lose her cool & dole out the punishment before dad got home (knowing that we wouldn't get it again). Then, we'd TRY not to giggle while she TRIED to deliver a sufficient whuppin'
Oh yeah, but I was an angel and it was always my brothers fault. *snicker*
 
impressive said:
*nods* In fact, one of the major strategies my brother & I employed when in trouble was to up the ante enough that mom would lose her cool & dole out the punishment before dad got home (knowing that we wouldn't get it again). Then, we'd TRY not to giggle while she TRIED to deliver a sufficient whuppin'

That was the strategy my brothers and I would use also. Mom would use the handle of a flyswatter and it woul sting a little :cool: but no big deal. Dad used his belt and that really hurt. :eek:
 
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