Another African Failure...

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In a few months, these pathetic socialists will be begging to the UN for our money......should have stayed Rhodesia.

HARARE, Zimbabwe (June 25, 2002 6:29 p.m. EDT) - Most white farmers in Zimbabwe stopped working Tuesday, complying with an official deadline ordering them to halt operations in preparation for a government takeover of their land.

Nearly two-thirds of the country's 4,000 white commercial farmers were targeted in the order that took effect at midnight Monday. But many had stopped farming months ago, paralyzed by disruptions caused by the government's "fast track" land seizure program.

The land seizures come as a potentially devastating food crisis looms in southern Africa. In Zimbabwe, the situation is blamed primarily on this year's erratic rainfall and two years of often-violent seizures of land from white farmers by loyalists of President Robert Mugabe.

Despite promises to redistribute the confiscated land to poor blacks, many of the farms have been given to loyal lawmakers and confidantes of Mugabe and ruling party leaders.

In a sign of defiance, two farmers filed lawsuits Tuesday aimed at striking down the government order as a constitutional violation of property and employment rights, said Commercial Farmers Union spokeswoman Jenni Williams.

But there was little hope for court intervention. Mugabe has stocked the courts with loyalists who rarely rule against the government.

Those who break the order could face up to two years in prison or large fines. However, farming officials in the key Chinhoyi and Karoi agricultural districts northwest of Harare reported no efforts by authorities to enforce the deadline Tuesday.

Dairy farmers said they milked their cattle as usual after warning officials that their livestock risked illness if milking was prevented.

Some farmers spent the day packing up personal belongings, including family photo albums and kitchen and household goods, to prepare for the next deadline -an order to leave their homes by Aug. 8, farmer union officials said.

The European Union has warned that the haphazard redistribution of property in Zimbabwe - once a breadbasket of the region - could worsen the impending crisis. The country's mostly white-owned, large commercial farms are about five times more productive than small farms.

The World Food Program estimates that nearly half the country's 12.5 million people would need food assistance this year.

Since June 2000, the government has targeted 5,872 mostly white-owned properties for confiscation - about 25 million acres.

On many farms already vacated by their owners, livestock, irrigation and other equipment have been seized without compensation being paid.

The state media has warned that security checkpoints would be set up in farming districts to prevent "sabotage" of the land reform program, in an apparent effort to stop farmers from removing goods and equipment from their farms.

Whites make up less than 1 percent of Zimbabwe's population. Until Mugabe's recent land seizures, white farmers - most of whom are the descendants of British and South African colonial era settlers - owned about one-third of the nation's productive farmland.

Critics say Mugabe has sped up land confiscations to bolster his waning support and deflect attention from the country's crumbling economy

No racism here! :D
 
Thank you for posting this LC.

What is it with the rest of the world here? Is Rhodesia still in the "too hard basket"? Since he came to power in 1980, Mugabe has systematically ensured that this once great land will now become the next Ethiopia. No one has stopped him. We've watched his opponents being tortured, white farmers driven out of their homes, farm workers mutilated - in yet, by in large the rest of the world has turned away. Sure, when the time comes, and we see the adverts on TV with the starving children, some of us may pull out a cheque book and contribute. Some of us. Not me. My money and energy will go (and has gone) to supporting those who have fled - and are trying to flee this appalling situation. No doubt, when the shit hits the fan (more than it has already), Mugabe will join his counterpart, Idi Amin in Libia or Saudi Arabia or wherever he is now. Basking in the weath he has stolen from "his people".

My SO faught against Mugabe in the late 1970's...and I'm damn proud that he did.
 
It is nothing short of a tragedy

Zim was as LC says the breadbasket of the region - a net exporter of goods around the world - that could also feed its people as well as improve the infrastructure for the country as a whole.

Mugabe is another African despot from a long line- Many people actualy think he is clinicaly mad - there is a rumour that he has sphyillis which is affecting his brain - !!

When the country falls into complete ruin - the West will probably wake up - far too late. If the country was allowed to vote freely Mugabe would have been kicked out long ago.

The majority of indiginious people in Zim are agaisnt what he is doing but unfortunatley are helpless due to the oppression and violence.

South Africa is nervously looking over its shoulder to see if this could be the route for them. There are enough ANC members who are biding their time and would be happy to see SA go the same way as long as they line their pockets.
 
No one cares.

Unless of course you can find definitive proof that Mugabee helped Bush steal the election..
 
SINthysist said:
No one cares.

.

A bit harsh

I am sure even a few people from Kansas might have heard of Africa even if you havent
:)
 
Gord, I understand your passion and the desperation of the situation.

But can you name one genre of threads that sinks faster than the Africa is in trouble threads?
 
SINthysist said:
Gord, I understand your passion and the desperation of the situation.

But can you name one genre of threads that sinks faster than the Africa is in trouble threads?

Maybe the thread dies maybe it doesnt

But to say no-one cares is surely not true -
even if you have never ben to Africa- surely you must see the tragedy of a once properous ( of sorts ) country being destroyed by a lunatic dictator

Or are you falling in to stereotypical if it doesnt affect my neck of the woods then I dont give ashit
 
No, believe me, I give a shit because I want everyone else to enjoy the standard of living I have grown accustomed to. I am just pointing out that, in general, no one gives a fuck, so all the warnings and atrocities will just be passed over until Mugabee seeks Allah or Nukes…

To quote from “My Blue Heaven,”

Ahm wid chew…
 
In fact, us talking to each other is the only thing that will keep this thread alive!

So I'm trying to do my part.

But, trust me, it ain't going anywhere...
 
SINthysist said:
In fact, us talking to each other is the only thing that will keep this thread alive!

So I'm trying to do my part.

But, trust me, it ain't going anywhere...

For sure the thread will die soon and go the way of other threads have done countless months before :D

I do agree that the situation in Zim is helpless and Mugabe will do whatever with a few platitudes from the west.

But I suppose as I have had more experience with Africa that I get a little bit more worked up about it than say Israel or Palestine - which is similar - they will do what they do
 
Okay, see we're on the same page.

Maybe it's time for the EU to step in and do something...
 
SINthysist said:
Okay, see we're on the same page.

Maybe it's time for the EU to step in and do something...

*laughs loudly*

The EU ??

rearrange these words

brewery piss up arrange a in a couldnt

dont ever hold your breath for the EU to do anything
 
I'm gald the post illicited the responce I was looking for. Together, we can keep this at the top. All it takes is a little co-operative effort!

Besides, it would be a shame to see p_p_'s morning rant go farther than this topic...
 
seems like a plan to me

just been looking at a few of the threads today - seems like a lot of doom and gloom going on at the moment.

global depression , despots, suicide bombing

SHIT it is good to be alive
 
Gord said:


Maybe the thread dies maybe it doesnt

But to say no-one cares is surely not true -
even if you have never ben to Africa- surely you must see the tragedy of a once properous ( of sorts ) country being destroyed by a lunatic dictator

Or are you falling in to stereotypical if it doesnt affect my neck of the woods then I dont give ashit

Your thoughts about a countries decline at the hands of a "lunatic dictator" struck me. I know you are correct but can't help but think that a dictator can only survive in a society overtaken with self interest and greed. Mugabe is only the head of the dragon. His followers are the body, fueled by their ability to legally take the assets and lives of those who are the "successful" within the society. To me it is but the extreme example of a trend that runs throughout all society, that of those who are not willing to work hard and succeed taking more and more from those who are successful. The breakdown may not be as rapid or dramatic as Zimbabwe's, but I fear it will be nearly as complete.

Rhumb:cool:
 
Tod-o-Vision posted a thread last night on this subject. Whats going on in Zimbabwe is terrible,the reason that no one cares is that because the immediate victims are white. Given enough time they soon will be portrayed as individuals who came and stole the land from the natives and that they deserve what they get. Nothing will be said of the accomplishments of these people. No mention will be made that there was a true democracy in place that provided economic oppurtunities for all people. A country that was a net exporter of food will degenerate into another 3rd world hell hole. .Soon we will hear all about the starving people. and in the end it will be the Wests fault. Next stop.....South Africa:(
 
RhumbRunner13 said:


Your thoughts about a countries decline at the hands of a "lunatic dictator" struck me. I know you are correct but can't help but think that a dictator can only survive in a society overtaken with self interest and greed. Mugabe is only the head of the dragon. His followers are the body, fueled by their ability to legally take the assets and lives of those who are the "successful" within the society. To me it is but the extreme example of a trend that runs throughout all society, that of those who are not willing to work hard and succeed taking more and more from those who are successful. The breakdown may not be as rapid or dramatic as Zimbabwe's, but I fear it will be nearly as complete.

Rhumb:cool:

self interest and greed true - any good dictator needs a decent mob to do dirty work. There is also a good bit of fear and opression worked in too. In Zim there is also a country/vrs town thing. The " war veterans" who were all born years after the original conflict are all from the country - and are beiing manipulted by Mugabe

It could happen anywhere under similar circumstances but in Africa it is just unfailingly familiar
 
i think what is the worst part of it is that international aid and sympathy might be less or even non-existent because of the treatment of white farmers by mugabe ... its the poor people that will suffer from this though ... not him

its so sad because zim was an african success story :(
 
RhumbRunner13 said:


Your thoughts about a countries decline at the hands of a "lunatic dictator" struck me. I know you are correct but can't help but think that a dictator can only survive in a society overtaken with self interest and greed. Mugabe is only the head of the dragon. His followers are the body, fueled by their ability to legally take the assets and lives of those who are the "successful" within the society. To me it is but the extreme example of a trend that runs throughout all society, that of those who are not willing to work hard and succeed taking more and more from those who are successful. The breakdown may not be as rapid or dramatic as Zimbabwe's, but I fear it will be nearly as complete.

Rhumb:cool:



you have to realize also that generally mugabe is right in that some white farms have to be returned ... even white farmers agree to this ... but it needs to be slow and long process such as what is happening in south africa

at the moment the farms are being stolen and given to mugabes friends and family and the farms arent even being farmed ... i saw on a news a black farm owner was saying recently the farm next to his was handed over and the people running it didnt know anything about farming ... they didnt even know what a fertilizer was ... and this was a black farmer saying this ... he said he'd had years of college education in farming and without that he wouldnt beable to run his farm ... also he was in danger of losing his farm even though he was black
 
SG......

"you have to realize also that generally mugabe is right in that some white farms have to be returned ... even white farmers agree to this ... but it needs to be slow and long process such as what is happening in south africa"


I don't know all that much about Zimbabe, or any other part of the continet for that matter. We (the US) never had any colonies there to lose, so I think we are very isolated to the polotics except were we've been involved with "rescue missions".

I don't understand, "mugabe is right in that some white farms have to be returned ... even white farmers agree to this ..." . What is the situation that exists that makes this right?:confused:

Rhumb:cool:
 
the land was taken unlawfully in the first place .. in colonial times ... unless you believe that because they are the spoils of war they should be kept by the white farmers ... most white farmers believe there should be some returning of land to black native population

there was a compensation package planned and this increased mugabes support but when his government couldn't afford to pay the compensation he said the farms had to be returned without any kind of compensation ... and they had to be returned right away ... there is an actual law that has been passed that has made it illegal for white farmers to farm on there land while they await redistribution this will make any food crisis even worse
 
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